Accountant's Utopia Philosophy

[Accountant]

One wonders what need a hypothetical person would have for editing quotes if they could win the argument in a legitimate manner.

[Accountant]

It's no surprise to me that the correct path is revealed to be a fabrication.

LOL would ya look at that

This quote was artificially modified in order to deceive others. Gin deliberately edited my quote in order to make me look bad. This is a dishonest act.

I didn't not put words into your mouth at all. Each word in that quote by you was in fact written by you

That is true, but you must also consider that words are placed in a certain order to create certain meanings. Therefore, by removing words from my quote, you have disrupted the order of my words. If the order of words corresponds to the meaning of those words, then the quote as a whole, in particular the meaning of the quote, was artificially modified.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Every method I use it legitimate under the perfect path.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can see who would be steamrolled by this "correct path"

[Accountant]

I put words into your mouth.

Here is an example of how artificially modifying a quote can change its meaning. As you can see, it would be dishonest for me to claim this sentence contains the meaning that Gin put forth in post 4799.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Every method I use it legitimate under the perfect path.

you forget that the perfect path beats the correct path in any form of argument.

[Accountant]

Every method I use it legitimate under the perfect path.

The perfect path is illegitimate, so the methods it espouses as legitimate are not necessarily legitimate.

[Accountant]

Every method I use it legitimate under the perfect path.

you forget that the perfect path beats the correct path in any form of argument.

That is an incorrect statement.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

you can't disprove the perfect path babe

[Kublai Khan]

I agree that you have been talking about ideas but they are not philosophical at all.

Do you think the subject of what people ought to do is a philosophical idea?

No, it's a political idea.

[Sesq]

a form of communism it sounds like.

how would these goods be created?

By people who work.

under what conditions would they work, and how free would people be to work?

Under what conditions in the sense of their working conditions, or in the sense of "terms and conditions"?

People would be free to work in any field they wanted to. It's just that what they want to do is determined by the correct path.

elaborate more on how this works

also, i want to bring up something from yesterday: you had told me not to assume that my flaws applied to you. why do you assume your skill and control applies to all other people, or do you? you of course would be accepting of re-education, but are any other people? from where i'm standing, no.

[Accountant]

I agree that you have been talking about ideas but they are not philosophical at all.

Do you think the subject of what people ought to do is a philosophical idea?

No, it's a political idea.

Ethics or moral philosophy is a branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct.

[Accountant]

elaborate more on how this works

also, i want to bring up something from yesterday: you had told me not to assume that my flaws applied to you. why do you assume your skill and control applies to all other people, or do you? you of course would be accepting of re-education, but are any other people? from where i'm standing, no.

1) what are you confused about?
2) where do I assume that?

[Shaziro]

So I missed a day's worth of this thread, but like, I get the gist of what's being said I guess?

Here's the thing. Accountant is morally reprehensible, and the fact that they're still around after openly fantasizing about hunting down and killing other scummers is incredibly disappointing, but the fact that Accountant literally can't do anything because of the fact that they haven't ever been able to formulate a way any of the things they say will happen...y'know...-will- happen? That comforts me somewhat.

[Sesq]

@Shaziro

accountant _would_ kill

trust me

[Accountant]

So I missed a day's worth of this thread, but like, I get the gist of what's being said I guess?

Here's the thing. Accountant is morally reprehensible, and the fact that they're still around after openly fantasizing about hunting down and killing other scummers is incredibly disappointing, but the fact that Accountant literally can't do anything because of the fact that they haven't ever been able to formulate a way any of the things they say will happen...y'know...-will- happen? That comforts me somewhat.

Luckily for me, the site rules don't count re-education attempts as death threats. (And hell, if they did, the people telling me to "give up on this delusion and get help" would be banned along with me) The "noooo you're alive as long as your mind and body are there" sword cuts both ways.

Also, I have gone into great detail about the exact reason why those things will happen. To reiterate:

1) people will grow smarter
2) as they get smarter, they are able to see the self evident truths of the world
3) they convert to the correct path
4) they agree with my ideals
5) men with machine guns escort you to the re-education center

Any questions?

[Accountant]

I wonder if the people insisting that the utopia won't happen are just in denial because they're scared of being re-educated.

[Ranmaru]

What is your utopia ideal in once sentence as I'm too lazy to read the whole thread? Just curious. What is the utopia ideal based on? How will people be re-educated and why?

[Accountant]

What is your utopia ideal in once sentence as I'm too lazy to read the whole thread? Just curious. What is the utopia ideal based on? How will people be re-educated and why?

The Utopia is based on the idea that everyone must be perfect in mind, body and morality, and if they aren't able to do it then we'll help them do it. That, in one sentence, encompasses my philosophy.

People will be re-educated for a very simple reason. A perfect world with imperfect people in it isn't truly perfect. Therefore, in order to create a perfect world, it's necessary to remove the imperfect people.

[Accountant]

@Shaziro

accountant _would_ kill

trust me

Oh? How do you know?

[Sesq]

So I missed a day's worth of this thread, but like, I get the gist of what's being said I guess?

Here's the thing. Accountant is morally reprehensible, and the fact that they're still around after openly fantasizing about hunting down and killing other scummers is incredibly disappointing, but the fact that Accountant literally can't do anything because of the fact that they haven't ever been able to formulate a way any of the things they say will happen...y'know...-will- happen? That comforts me somewhat.

Luckily for me, the site rules don't count re-education attempts as death threats. (And hell, if they did, the people telling me to "give up on this delusion and get help" would be banned along with me) The "noooo you're alive as long as your mind and body are there" sword cuts both ways.

Also, I have gone into great detail about the exact reason why those things will happen. To reiterate:

1) people will grow smarter
2) as they get smarter, they are able to see the self evident truths of the world
3) they convert to the correct path
4) they agree with my ideals
5) men with machine guns escort you to the re-education center

Any questions?

two things

first of all, saying you will forcibly change people's minds against their will is different from people suggesting you see a therapist or something

second of all, have people throughout history ALWAYS been pushing closer to your correct path and will they always go in that direction? how can you be sure

PEDIT: i can feel it

i doubt you'd do it from pre-meditation but if you got angry enough, maybe.

i feel like you would have killed me that one night if we were face to face.

[Sesq]

additional question: why is order *the* most important thing

no, "because correct path" isnt a valid answer here. it is part of the correct path due to its inherent correctness, it is not made correct by the correct path including it. as someone who knows the path well why is it #1

[Accountant]

I'm flattered that you think I have the ability to re-educate someone just by being face-to-face with them. Unfortunately I am not that good a persuader. Or do you mean the more traditional form of killing? May I remind you that that path is forbidden to me due to it being against the law?

[Gamma Emerald]

What exactly is re-education?

[Accountant]

additional question: why is order *the* most important thing

When did I say it was? It's certainly a very very very very very important thing (more important than the lives of a bunch of rebels, that's for sure), but it's incorrect to say that the correct path is just order. There are a lot of other considerations you have to put in place other than pure order. (eg. a universe free of sentient life but that was very orderly would still be suboptimal).