Micro 710: Backup6 (Game Over)

EchoVision · Post Post #325 (ISO) » Sun May 14, 2017 6:22 pm

hi top of page I'm Ryan and I like food and naps. currently my ideas for a career consist of computer programming or a geometry/physics teacher

my favorite food is pizza and my favorite color is red

MarioManiac4 · Post Post #326 (ISO) » Sun May 14, 2017 6:24 pm

In post 320, EchoVision wrote:
In post 293, MarioManiac4 wrote:oh hey echovision is town
that makes things easier
why are you jumping to this conclusion so easily? I don't like this at all...

because your post sounded town

MarioManiac4 · Post Post #327 (ISO) » Sun May 14, 2017 6:28 pm

In post 323, EchoVision wrote:
In post 316, MarioManiac4 wrote:VOTE: maker

Tenshii's position makes more sense now. I'm willing to lay off of him for toDay.
what was it that pushed you over the edge from "he's probably scum" to "I get where he's coming from let's vote BTD6"?

he explained his mindset coming into games: that scum are going to push town and town are going to hunt scum
I think that is a reasonable mindset and it could definitely apply to FireScreamer.

BananaNSFW · Post Post #328 (ISO) » Sun May 14, 2017 8:29 pm

This is like a whole new side of Mario I'm seeing compares to previous games. Liking it.

I want BTD6 to come in and provide some content

BananaNSFW · Post Post #329 (ISO) » Sun May 14, 2017 8:30 pm

I'm not sure what to do with Tenshii. Do you always get frustrated so quickly?

Tenshii · Post Post #330 (ISO) » Sun May 14, 2017 8:32 pm

In post 321, EchoVision wrote:
In post 297, Tenshii wrote: Like NOTHING HERE correlates with anything I said. Everything you said is misrepping me for things that either didn't happen or you are misreading.
instead of telling me that I'm wrong and leaving it at that, can you explain what I said that you interpreted as misrepping as well as what you believe I have misread?

Maybe if you reread I will

BananaNSFW · Post Post #331 (ISO) » Sun May 14, 2017 8:32 pm

In post 320, EchoVision wrote:
In post 293, MarioManiac4 wrote:oh hey echovision is town
that makes things easier
why are you jumping to this conclusion so easily? I don't like this at all...

This makes me feel better about Echo too

Belisarius · Post Post #332 (ISO) » Sun May 14, 2017 10:07 pm

In post 303, MarioManiac4 wrote:There is nothing more frustrating as scum as being accused for illogical reasons by an illogical townie. You simply can not use logic to make it go away.

But this is not frustrating as town as well? News to me.

BananaNSFW · Post Post #333 (ISO) » Sun May 14, 2017 10:15 pm

In post 208, BananaNSFW wrote:
In post 197, Belisarius wrote:
In post 184, BananaNSFW wrote:I have the feeling we are not going to get along in this game. Again. Do you remember how that ended last time?
A bit late, I know, but I don't like this.

I
really
don't like this.

According to your own link, how that ended last time was lynching town. Remembering that should make you cautious, not confident.

I don't see any town motivation in this post, but there's one thing it does accomplish, if it works: Introducing fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

FUD is one of my favourite tactics as scum. FUD won Open 524 for me. (That's my favourite scumgame ever)

This needs lots and lots and lots of rope.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BananaNSFW
I'm pointing it out because Wisdom scumread pretty much anything I did in that game, which resulted in me getting extremely frustrated and scumreading him for it. We were both town.
If you think there isn't any town motivation in that, then you're getting my vote.
VOTE: Beli

Congrats.

Belize, can you address this?

BananaNSFW · Post Post #334 (ISO) » Sun May 14, 2017 10:28 pm

*Beli

Weird autocorrect

FireScreamer · Post Post #335 (ISO) » Sun May 14, 2017 10:30 pm

If Tenshi had a problem with my case he should have a problem with TB and or Maker as well. Agreeing with a shitty push is much worse than making one.

Belisarius · Post Post #336 (ISO) » Sun May 14, 2017 10:48 pm

In post 333, BananaNSFW wrote:
Belize, can you address this?

What's to address? I'm not buying the backpedalling. Up until I pointed out the FUD, you were phrasing your interaction with Wisdom like a threat. Threats generate FUD. FUD is good for scum and bad for town. It couldn't get any simpler.

BananaNSFW · Post Post #337 (ISO) » Sun May 14, 2017 10:52 pm

So you disagree there is town motivation in reminding of bad reads?

Wisdom · Post Post #338 (ISO) » Sun May 14, 2017 11:42 pm

In post 316, MarioManiac4 wrote:VOTE: maker

Tenshii's position makes more sense now. I'm willing to lay off of him for toDay.

I agree, tenshi is townier now.
Consider voting beli with me.

Belisarius · Post Post #339 (ISO) » Sun May 14, 2017 11:55 pm

In post 337, BananaNSFW wrote:So you disagree there is town motivation in reminding of bad reads?

Since I do not think that is what has happened, this is a strawman.

Wisdom · Post Post #340 (ISO) » Sun May 14, 2017 11:57 pm

In post 322, EchoVision wrote:
In post 298, Tenshii wrote:This game is fucking stupid because everyone is attacking each other for things that didn't happen and reads are being made because of it.
yeah I definitely don't like this. I don't see this frustration coming from town!tenshi

I felt the opposite

EchoVision · Post Post #341 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2017 12:05 am

In post 330, Tenshii wrote:
In post 321, EchoVision wrote:
In post 297, Tenshii wrote: Like NOTHING HERE correlates with anything I said. Everything you said is misrepping me for things that either didn't happen or you are misreading.
instead of telling me that I'm wrong and leaving it at that, can you explain what I said that you interpreted as misrepping as well as what you believe I have misread?
Maybe if you reread I will

currently I have no incentive to reread because as I interpreted it last time is how im going to interpret it next time unless someone's actions modify my reads.

If you tell me what I misread I will gladly go back and read it however until then that's not happening. Nice fake frustration btw

EchoVision · Post Post #342 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2017 12:08 am

In post 338, Wisdom wrote:
In post 316, MarioManiac4 wrote:VOTE: maker

Tenshii's position makes more sense now. I'm willing to lay off of him for toDay.
I agree, tenshi is townier now.
Consider voting beli with me.

Why are you so against Beli? What has he said or done that pushed you into a scum read this early D1?

Why do you find Tenshi townier? What town motivation do you believe the post i brought up a while ago possesses? Do you scum read me now for my weak Tenshi push?

EchoVision · Post Post #343 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2017 12:11 am

In post 340, Wisdom wrote:
In post 322, EchoVision wrote:
In post 298, Tenshii wrote:This game is fucking stupid because everyone is attacking each other for things that didn't happen and reads are being made because of it.
yeah I definitely don't like this. I don't see this frustration coming from town!tenshi
I felt the opposite

Oh you do? You believe this frustration to be genuine and a town tell?? I'll tell you, this post would have been a lot townier if it came at a different point in the game. IIRC this post came after MM was talking about a scum read on Tenshi, which leads me to believe that he's just angry that his slot is getting more attention.

BananaNSFW · Post Post #344 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2017 12:16 am

In post 339, Belisarius wrote:
In post 337, BananaNSFW wrote:So you disagree there is town motivation in reminding of bad reads?
Since I do not think that is what has happened, this is a strawman.

Quote my posts and explain how it was not what I was doing. Also explain what the scum motivation was.

BananaNSFW · Post Post #345 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2017 12:18 am

In post 197, Belisarius wrote:
In post 184, BananaNSFW wrote:I have the feeling we are not going to get along in this game. Again. Do you remember how that ended last time?
A bit late, I know, but I don't like this.

I
really
don't like this.

According to your own link, how that ended last time was lynching town. Remembering that should make you cautious, not confident.

I don't see any town motivation in this post, but there's one thing it does accomplish, if it works: Introducing fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

FUD is one of my favourite tactics as scum. FUD won Open 524 for me. (That's my favourite scumgame ever)

This needs lots and lots and lots of rope.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BananaNSFW

Echovision, read above post to see whats wrong with Beli

EchoVision · Post Post #346 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2017 12:59 am

In post 345, BananaNSFW wrote:
In post 197, Belisarius wrote:
In post 184, BananaNSFW wrote:I have the feeling we are not going to get along in this game. Again. Do you remember how that ended last time?
A bit late, I know, but I don't like this.

I
really
don't like this.

According to your own link, how that ended last time was lynching town. Remembering that should make you cautious, not confident.

I don't see any town motivation in this post, but there's one thing it does accomplish, if it works: Introducing fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

FUD is one of my favourite tactics as scum. FUD won Open 524 for me. (That's my favourite scumgame ever)

This needs lots and lots and lots of rope.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BananaNSFW
Echovision, read above post to see whats wrong with Beli

I'm not sure that I read this as Beli confscum, I read it more as an over reaction to a casual post. I don't think either of you in this situation deserve to eat rope and get hung

Belisarius · Post Post #347 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2017 2:29 am

In post 344, BananaNSFW wrote:Quote my posts and explain how it was not what I was doing. Also explain what the scum motivation was.

Sure.

In post 184, BananaNSFW wrote:I have the feeling we are not going to get along in this game. Again. Do you remember how that ended last time?

Reads as "Bad thing happened. I can make bad thing happen again. Don't make me angry, Mr. McGee. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry"

A town reaction to seeing a possible repeat of a bad situation is to do

try to avoid doing it again

, not to threaten another player by saying you will do exactly the same thing.

The scum motivation, again, is spreading FUD. FUD makes people doubt themselves too much to be effective as town. FUD muddies the waters. FUD is the mind-killer.

BananaNSFW · Post Post #348 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2017 2:49 am

The entire conversation with Wisdom was about preventing the same thing happening. What "bad thing" am I threatening to make happen again? Where am I angry?

I am avoiding doing it again. In fact, I'm on the same page as Wisdom since we had that conversation. Again, I'm not threatening to do anything.

If you see this as a threat you are seriously hallucinating. But really you're likely just scum thinking this would stick.

Sorry about that.

BananaNSFW · Post Post #349 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2017 2:49 am

What is FUD btw?