OPEN 687: JUNGLE OLIGARCHY (GAME OVER)

[Theta Alpine]

that is a really good idea for the secondary voting table realeo
in no particular order
HURT: shiqf
HURT: dunnstral
HURT: btd6_maker
HURT: firescreamer
HURT: flubbernugget

alright and now for the reasons behind these reads
honestly a couple of these are lurkers so i do not really expect all of them to be scum

-0.7 btd6 replaced into a slot with 7 posts and has made 2 posts

-0.6 shiqf is lurking
yeah that is the entire reason for my read on shiqf
which is actually the point

-0.6 firescreamer is just me being stubborn and him not being town
as in not doing things i would expect town to do

-0.4 dunnstral is not posting anything really useful
and does not seem to want to take risks

-0.2 flubbernugget
this read is pretty much gut which i honestly do not trust as much as i maybe should
and i wanted a fifth person for this list anyways

-0.1 deltaw
i would like to see more from you as well
also as long as you admit you are sheeping you are generally fine

0 javajoe24
i would also like to see more from you
although your posts have been decent so far

myself
do not ask me to read myself

0 hellfire missile
would want to see more content from you as well
although you have been v/la so i can forgive you for not posting

+0.2 realeo
really i just do not see you being scum
the game does not make sense with you being scum

+0.3 gamma emerald
so many 1-line posts
but i am able to see your thought process and it seems town

+0.4 kmd4390
you have been trying to find scum
which i appreciate

+0.5 davesaz
making some really good points
and generally trying to keep town on track

[FireScreamer]

Do have townreads?

Dave kmd

How is this "putting my reads on a pedestal"

>"I will not fabricate reads" (paraphrasing) reads to me as "I will only give reads I am am confident in and take seriously"
>I ask for reasoning on one of your reads
>You admit its a pretty lazy feel read based on not much

Why don't you understand that I see dissonance here?

[Flubbernugget]

I get why you see it now

There's a difference between fabricating a read and having a weak read

[Flubbernugget]

Tell me what you think of 575

[FireScreamer]

His strongest scumreads are people who ain't here and people who scumread him. His town reads are the three players in the game I'd view as intimidating if I was scum and they were not on my team. As with a lot of Thetas stuff it's very level one and I can't tell if he is just naive and new or scum.

[FireScreamer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Theta

I'm willing to buy my slapfight with flubber as a misunderstanding regarding the mountainousness of molehills. Ya have to come out of your shell eventually though.

[Flubbernugget]

He is scum (probably newish) and not sure how to handle it

[Theta Alpine]

His strongest scumreads are people who ain't here and people who scumread him. His town reads are the three players in the game I'd view as intimidating if I was scum and they were not on my team. As with a lot of Thetas stuff it's very level one and I can't tell if he is just naive and new or scum.

it is day 1 you know

p-edit
how wrong you are

[Realeo]

@Theta Be honest. When do you first sign up with your main account?

[Realeo]

ANTICIPATED PLOT TWIST: Theta is Momo. That would explain everything.

[Theta Alpine]

huh
i meant being scum not new
2016 is the year i first signed up

[Realeo]

That makes 575 even worse, but it also makes your graph even make no senses.

[DeltaW]

Dave barrier of entry is so low that even "Dunnstral not active posting" get his attention.

This actually takes a bit more thought than you might expect. It matters what is going on at the time, whether the player is paying attention to those things or doing something completely different (like the Delta thing), knowing how a player normally acts, etc. If I get really concerned about it, it will involve finding a game where Dunnstral was scum to see if he acted this way in that game. It's also intended to see what the player does in response.

More in another post, I need to look at something.

@kmd: Furthermore town should not really care which kind of scum to lynch d1.
I find that whole thing distasteful and probably wrong, but I don't have a good feel for whether it is AI.

There isn't much difference between what realeo is trying to drive and keeping track of scumreads. I have been finding it hard to understand his approach to the game. I don't think it is likely that scum would have good motivation for trying this unless they thought their team was unlikely to show up on the list. I have had some RL stuff the past couple days and only skimmed, so I'd need to think about my 5.

I was away yesterday from 10am to 10pm and couldn't muster the energy once I got back.
Today I slept late compensating for that.

I don't get to be the first one to use my signature statement about reads in general and D1 in particular since Flubbernugget already used it, but

I don't manufacture reads as town

. I either have one or don't, and will occasionally refuse to give a read on a player when asked because I do not have one. I often don't analyze every post, especially the ones which don't even appear on the surface to be related to the game.

I saw a VC, need to go back to that and figure out where to focus because the one thing I know for certain is that it changed, possibly a lot.

Whoever was defending dave needs to clarify why town puts off this much stuff.

[DeltaW]

HURT: dave, flubber, Gamma, BTD6

Forgot BTD6 was even in the game.

[Theta Alpine]

i was looking at daves early game when making my reads list
also that is nai
people do get busy in real life

[Theta Alpine]

that was to 587

[Realeo]

I concur with that. I can give Dave the benefit of doubt on that part.

[Realeo]

I can understand if Dave is towny.

+0.5 davesaz
making some really good points
and generally trying to keep town on track

But for the hell of my life, I can't believe that Dave is towniest

compared

to either KMD or GE (or me if you are Dunn)

[Theta Alpine]

kmd is lower because gut
gamma is lower because quality of posts
you are lower because i did not have a good reason to put you higher

[Realeo]

Help me point Dave's helpful post.

[Theta Alpine]

wait did i
i got you and dave mixed up

it should be
+0.2 daveaz
really i just do not see you being scum
the game does not make sense with you being scum

and

+0.5 realeo
making some really good points
and generally trying to keep town on track

i was wondering why i had you so low

[BTD6_maker]

that is a really good idea for the secondary voting table realeo
in no particular order
HURT: shiqf
HURT: dunnstral
HURT: btd6_maker
HURT: firescreamer
HURT: flubbernugget

alright and now for the reasons behind these reads
honestly a couple of these are lurkers so i do not really expect all of them to be scum

-0.7 btd6 replaced into a slot with 7 posts and has made 2 posts

-0.6 shiqf is lurking
yeah that is the entire reason for my read on shiqf
which is actually the point

-0.6 firescreamer is just me being stubborn and him not being town
as in not doing things i would expect town to do

-0.4 dunnstral is not posting anything really useful
and does not seem to want to take risks

-0.2 flubbernugget
this read is pretty much gut which i honestly do not trust as much as i maybe should
and i wanted a fifth person for this list anyways

-0.1 deltaw
i would like to see more from you as well
also as long as you admit you are sheeping you are generally fine

0 javajoe24
i would also like to see more from you
although your posts have been decent so far

myself
do not ask me to read myself

0 hellfire missile
would want to see more content from you as well
although you have been v/la so i can forgive you for not posting

+0.2 realeo
really i just do not see you being scum
the game does not make sense with you being scum

+0.3 gamma emerald
so many 1-line posts
but i am able to see your thought process and it seems town

+0.4 kmd4390
you have been trying to find scum
which i appreciate

+0.5 davesaz
making some really good points
and generally trying to keep town on track

Low activity in Day 1 is not alignment-indicative. Basing an entire scumread on that alone is weak reasoning.
Exactly what is it that you expected from a Town Firescreamer? You haven't given much reasoning for it. As for your stubbornness, if you know you are stubborn and your read is based on your stubbornness, would you not realise that the read should objectively be much weaker?
You have not got much reasoning for Dunnstral either, apart from one post. In this post, it is clear that Dunnstral had a scumread on Gamma Emerald prior to making the post.
You have not said much at all about Flubber, but I will let that pass as it is the weakest one on your list.

You need to elaborate on your reads a lot more.

[Flubbernugget]

Realeo, how does your analysis account for people that are wrapping lurkers in hurt tags like that is a scumtell?

[Flubbernugget]

If memory serves I've played with BTD as scum before and he got caught pretty effortlessly. He looks town so far

[Theta Alpine]

i have made the realization that in this game anti-town does not mean scum
and anti-scum does not mean town
which completely messes up my reads

so i am going to have to reread and figure out how i am going to read people in light of this