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[Boonskiies]

Intention to lurk through D1

Just being honest

You should active lurk, like participate with large informational posts on only relevant topics, but otherwise, not post.

This is basically what I plan to be like. Eventually, I'll probably end up breaking my activity lull in favor of 1v1'ing someone, but until then, I'll just posts thoughts periodically. I'll keep up, but I don't plan on checking the game every hour like I usually do in my games.

[Priscila]

What bothers me about DrumBeats is the way that he is pushing a narrative where his scumread on RhazBash is meaningful rather than genuinely digging into the content, analyzing the reasoning behind it and providing his own as to why that reasoning comes from scum. His approach is rhetorical, and he conflates largley null behavior into something damning.

His point about scum adapting for the type of scumhunting in thread is simplistic and shallow, scum will already analyze their own behavior with greater foresight and worry than town. The act of aborting a bus is very basic. Gamma's mention of it is too broad to be effective. Reminding people that an established wagon manipulation technique exists on page 1 is not going to meaningfully affect whether that technique is used in a specific instance during the game.

There is also the way that he positioned his vote on Gamma as if he knew it was coming off before long. I get the feeling that he wants to

seem to be

engaging directly and actively with content in a thoughtful way, and is taking this as a rhetorical position, rather than truly engaging with the content. The way that he continued to argue his position as he unvoted Gamma to vote RhazBash suggests to me that he does not truly feel conviction in his reads, but merely argues for their validity and postures around them.

I think that RhazBash's premature position on today's wagons feels like a genuine attempt to scumhunt that came off as surface scummy. I read the translation of that post as "there is scum in one of those that we should lynch". DrumBeats' attempt to pin it as having malicious intent is disingenuous. It is

possible

from that post that RhazBash is scum who knows that all of the early pushers of Gamma's wagon are town, but it is

equally possible

that he is simply scumhunting, therefore the post is null without greater context. DrumBeats argument is slightly more than just that RhazBash is informed, however. He argues that RhazBash is lining up lynches and putting on an act to shed responsibility. This is very stretchy. Following this, he argues that RhazBash's position that wagons should be broken down is suspicious and comes from an informed perspective. He is again attempting to twist fairly null content into scum content by drawing a narrative where that is already the case.

I don't think his reasons for voting Gamma or RhazBash have any merit and his attempts to make those reasons persuasive feels like sophistry. It's still possible that this content is coming from a reckless, overzealous townie with poor reasoning, but for now I have a scumlean on DrumBeats.

[Nosferatu]

*checks in*

*sees we're still in the "make wild guesses at scum based on tiny sample size" stage*

*returns to slumber*

hard evidence isn't a wild guess bud

Breaking down wagons helps us more in the long game.

Missed this one, but breaking down wagons only helps after we see the result of the lynch. You are breaking down a wagon before it flips, making it highly suspect that you already know the result of it.

^^
atm Rhaz is my biggest SR

you don't have to have a flip to analyse the wagon. You only need to have a decent amount of people on the wagon (~20% of the playerlist). Otherwise you'd be plumb out of luck until you land on scum.

[mozamis]

hopefully catching up tonight

[SlingshotWaffles]

*checks in*

*sees we're still in the "make wild guesses at scum based on tiny sample size" stage*

*returns to slumber*

hard evidence isn't a wild guess bud

Breaking down wagons helps us more in the long game.

Missed this one, but breaking down wagons only helps after we see the result of the lynch. You are breaking down a wagon before it flips, making it highly suspect that you already know the result of it.

^^
atm Rhaz is my biggest SR

you don't have to have a flip to analyse the wagon. You only need to have a decent amount of people on the wagon (~20% of the playerlist). Otherwise you'd be plumb out of luck until you land on scum.

"Hard evidence"

And where might that be found?

[Nosferatu]

*checks in*

*sees we're still in the "make wild guesses at scum based on tiny sample size" stage*

*returns to slumber*

hard evidence isn't a wild guess bud

"Hard evidence"

And where might that be found?

VOTE: WhyMafia

N0 peek rolling through

[Nosferatu]

feel free to sheep once you see the light.

[SlingshotWaffles]

feel free to sheep once you see the light.

Can we trust you though?

[Nosferatu]

feel free to sheep once you see the light.

Can we trust you though?

would you trust gandhi with watering your plants?

[SlingshotWaffles]

feel free to sheep once you see the light.

Can we trust you though?

would you trust gandhi with watering your plants?

Definitely not.
I wouldn't trust Ghandi with anything but to disappoint and annoy me.

Your point?

[Gamma Emerald]

What bothers me about DrumBeats is the way that he is pushing a narrative where his scumread on RhazBash is meaningful rather than genuinely digging into the content, analyzing the reasoning behind it and providing his own as to why that reasoning comes from scum. His approach is rhetorical, and he conflates largley null behavior into something damning.

His point about scum adapting for the type of scumhunting in thread is simplistic and shallow, scum will already analyze their own behavior with greater foresight and worry than town. The act of aborting a bus is very basic. Gamma's mention of it is too broad to be effective. Reminding people that an established wagon manipulation technique exists on page 1 is not going to meaningfully affect whether that technique is used in a specific instance during the game.

There is also the way that he positioned his vote on Gamma as if he knew it was coming off before long. I get the feeling that he wants to

seem to be

engaging directly and actively with content in a thoughtful way, and is taking this as a rhetorical position, rather than truly engaging with the content. The way that he continued to argue his position as he unvoted Gamma to vote RhazBash suggests to me that he does not truly feel conviction in his reads, but merely argues for their validity and postures around them.

I think that RhazBash's premature position on today's wagons feels like a genuine attempt to scumhunt that came off as surface scummy. I read the translation of that post as "there is scum in one of those that we should lynch". DrumBeats' attempt to pin it as having malicious intent is disingenuous. It is

possible

from that post that RhazBash is scum who knows that all of the early pushers of Gamma's wagon are town, but it is

equally possible

that he is simply scumhunting, therefore the post is null without greater context. DrumBeats argument is slightly more than just that RhazBash is informed, however. He argues that RhazBash is lining up lynches and putting on an act to shed responsibility. This is very stretchy. Following this, he argues that RhazBash's position that wagons should be broken down is suspicious and comes from an informed perspective. He is again attempting to twist fairly null content into scum content by drawing a narrative where that is already the case.

I don't think his reasons for voting Gamma or RhazBash have any merit and his attempts to make those reasons persuasive feels like sophistry. It's still possible that this content is coming from a reckless, overzealous townie with poor reasoning, but for now I have a scumlean on DrumBeats.

Too early in the game and too late at night for wall posts

[Gamma Emerald]

*checks in*

*sees we're still in the "make wild guesses at scum based on tiny sample size" stage*

*returns to slumber*

hard evidence isn't a wild guess bud

Breaking down wagons helps us more in the long game.

Missed this one, but breaking down wagons only helps after we see the result of the lynch. You are breaking down a wagon before it flips, making it highly suspect that you already know the result of it.

^^
atm Rhaz is my biggest SR

you don't have to have a flip to analyse the wagon. You only need to have a decent amount of people on the wagon (~20% of the playerlist). Otherwise you'd be plumb out of luck until you land on scum.

You are from the mastina school of VCA. I come from the Titus school, where it is used late game to draw conclusions on who is likely scum.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Just annoys me

[Gamma Emerald]

feel free to sheep once you see the light.

Can we trust you though?

would you trust gandhi with watering your plants?

What kind of question is this

[Tywin Lannister]

wraith and boon could be scum together because they're planning to lurk together

lame...

i'm trying to form reads here.

Statements like this show you're obvious scum trying way too hard to look town.

VOTE: Mislynch

I also dislike that 'wraith and boon scum lurkers' or the 'spammy game' statements. All of this is bullshit. It's not a joke, so you mean it seriously, but it's all trash and fake statements you're making to sound active over actually contributing.

This guy is scum. Raizh is also scum, or he set himself up as the easy mislynch, and I still wanna lynch gamma. He looks kinda town here, but that means he's scum. Every time I read him, I'm wrong. Every. Game. So he's scum since he looks town, and gamma PLs are good. Would seriously PL gamma after the past 5 or so games with him.

Everything else you said and THIS is where you place your vote? This is the reachiest post ever.

The real reach is you trying to shade me for calling out your scum buddy.

[Dunnstral]

Also regarding rhazh: Probably not a lynch for today

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I'd love to know how I looked Town here

[Dunnstral]

You don't

[Gamma Emerald]

You don't

Exactly
Why does Tywin think so

[Tywin Lannister]

I mean there's been nothing scummier FMPOV than waffles lack of voting on Gemma.

PVs and Cpt back and forth lulz fest was lame but not really scummy.

I don't think RHAZ is scummy hence my "anti-nom post"

I still wanna lynch gamma,but it is a PL more than a full SR. There are legit game winning reasons for it. As scum, I'd love for gamma to be on the other team. As town, I want him dead asap to not screw us over with his always scummy play. It may work for him as scum (because he's scummy literally all the time for every alignment), but I certainly hope I never see him in lylo. It's just bad for town all the way around. I've seen it.

[Dunnstral]

As scum, I'd love for gamma to be on the other team.

The way you say this sounds weird

[Tywin Lannister]

Gamma you have to know by now why everyone would rather PL you than fail to sort you You aren't blind. You can't legit pretend to think others should just leave you around forever to not be NK'd by scum, because you refuse to ever play like you're town. A cop could check you,but that's a waste imo. Either you get copped or PL' d with how you play, because it's annoying at this point. You know what you do too.

[Mulch]

I mean there's been nothing scummier FMPOV than waffles lack of voting on Gemma.

PVs and Cpt back and forth lulz fest was lame but not really scummy.

I don't think RHAZ is scummy hence my "anti-nom post"

I still wanna lynch gamma,but it is a PL more than a full SR. There are legit game winning reasons for it. As scum, I'd love for gamma to be on the other team. As town, I want him dead asap to not screw us over with his always scummy play. It may work for him as scum (because he's scummy literally all the time for every alignment), but I certainly hope I never see him in lylo. It's just bad for town all the way around. I've seen it.

Yeah I'm not lynching someone without a SR so we dont lynch them hypothetically in a future scenario

Policy lynches are cancer

[Tywin Lannister]

As scum, I'd love for gamma to be on the other team.

The way you say this sounds weird

Nice shade. Explain the way the words on your screen 'sound' to you.

[Mulch]

You don't

Exactly
Why does Tywin think so

^^ This is a townie tone