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[Mulch]

When the idiocy gets to the point that it makes more sense for town to be than scum

????

Scum and town care about their image, but scum woulden't be so obviously scummy because it would attract unneeeded attention

[Nero Cain]

Well too scummy to be scum is kinda a thing. I'm just not sure how Mulch made that determination.

[Mulch]

When the idiocy gets to the point that it makes more sense for town to be than scum

????

Despite this being anti-me, I'd have to agree. It doesn't really make sense that how stupid and scummy I've been acting makes me Town.

Because if you were scum then you woulden't be so obvious, and would care more about being obvious.

This feels weird responding to lol

[Nero Cain]

Scum and town care about their image, but scum woulden't be so obviously scummy because it would attract unneeeded attention

sure but what do you think he's done that's intended to bring pressure onto himself?

[Mulch]

Well too scummy to be scum is kinda a thing. I'm just not sure how Mulch made that determination.

Because he was being blatantly and straightforwardly ignoring my question on him explaning on why he thought some things were AI and I thought were NAI. I asked him 3X to explain and he just said "nah, I agree." Scum would have attempted to explain their position there.

[Mulch]

Scum and town care about their image, but scum woulden't be so obviously scummy because it would attract unneeeded attention

sure but what do you think he's done that's intended to bring pressure onto himself?

See above

[SlingshotWaffles]

s

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What?
I don't understand.

[Boonskiies]

When the idiocy gets to the point that it makes more sense for town to be than scum

????

Scum and town care about their image, but scum woulden't be so obviously scummy because it would attract unneeeded attention

At the same time, you could say this is exactly why scum would play that way.

[SlingshotWaffles]

When the idiocy gets to the point that it makes more sense for town to be than scum

????

Scum and town care about their image, but scum woulden't be so obviously scummy because it would attract unneeeded attention

At the same time, you could say this is exactly why scum would play that way.

I think there is a very good chance that he is scum.

[Priscila]

Gamma:

I looked up Creature's MD and modding history and the role would make sense, thing is, Tywin has been extremely scummy.

Why do you think the role would make sense? What did you find in the history?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma:

I looked up Creature's MD and modding history and the role would make sense, thing is, Tywin has been extremely scummy.

Why do you think the role would make sense? What did you find in the history?

He created a setup involving Godfathers and Millers in OSD so it could happen
But it's also a great mafia fakeclaim IMO

[Priscila]

Nero, what is your read on Waffles?

@Gamma why do you think it's a great mafia fakeclaim? Do you think that the way that he claimed was scummy?

[Nosferatu]

Gamma:

I looked up Creature's MD and modding history and the role would make sense, thing is, Tywin has been extremely scummy.

Why do you think the role would make sense? What did you find in the history?

He created a setup involving Godfathers and Millers in OSD so it could happen
But it's also a great mafia fakeclaim IMO

I don't think Tywin is scum atm, but you guys are aware that mod-provided fake claims are a thing right? Trying to figure out if a fakeclaim is valid in a void is kinda pointless.

[Nero Cain]

Nero, what is your read on Waffles?

I think he's town wich is why I'm voting him.

[Priscila]

Some reasoning would be helpful.

[Nero Cain]

I mean Mulch writing him off as "too scummy to be scum" kinda makes me twitch but he still seems p scummy to me. I'll ISO him again and show my work and see what you think.

[Nero Cain]

scum is hesitant to vote.

thats why I was voting him in the first place and I didn't see anything that made me feel differently.

[Priscila]

Thanks

[Priscila]

You were saying more?

Do you think that town cannot be hesitant to vote? Why do you think his hesitation there is scummy?

[SlingshotWaffles]

scum is hesitant to vote.

thats why I was voting him in the first place and I didn't see anything that made me feel differently.

The "hesitation" to vote for Gamma (I think?) early in the game with the jump jumpy scum confirmed post?

[Tywin Lannister]

Claim was premature imo - can't do anything now

I'll pop back in with stuff

Yes, it was, but I've been really really sick the past few days with a bad cold (high fever, blurry vision, etc), still went to work yesterday like an idiot, and I've had precedent for believing I may be QLd before being able to claim. People started naked voting me, like gamma, nero, CptPicard, etc. This should raise alarm bells for people I'd think. My fault for early claiming, but I didnt have the energy to fight off a lynch without just doing it, and my mood was so bad I was pretty toxic. Toxicity means PL really, so I probably would've been if I waited for L1 to claim.

Hell of a scum claim, if so, though.

I'll remember that if i need a fake claim when i roll scum. Sadly, I'm not good at staying under the radar as a town cop obviously. My last completed cop game was so long ago that I forgot to play low key here, and even there, I got myself NK'd before I could claim and give a N1 result (which was gamma being innocent, and he was almost lynched in lylo). Not really good at being low key with any alignment tbh. I need to learn though.

[Tywin Lannister]

UNVOTE: Waffles

When the idiocy gets to the point that it makes more sense for town to be than scum
VOTE: Drum

I'm good on this for now

Mulch is obvious town, but idk why drum is scum?

[Tywin Lannister]

Gutread. I also said this earlier...

You need to explain more than this. Gut reads don't = having no reason whatsoever. Gut read means you DO have a reason(s), but it's not enough to make a case. Aka scummy post, scummy motivations, scummy stance, meta, etc.

Scum gut reads = "hi guys, I have fake reads I don't believe in, so its a gut read! I can skate by with this perpetually!"

Town gut read = "hi guys, I have a slight reason to SR someone, but not enough to make a rock solid case"

[Fykus]

If you need a summary of a post, I can give it. Just ask.

unvote

vote: Fykus

I'll be back in a few hours. Please talk to me more about your reads, Reaper?

consider this as being asked for a summary post.

p.s ill post some content soon.

[Tywin Lannister]

If people say it's normal and the moderator cannot clarify the rules then I will believe what people say.
I am not happy with how the wagons are right now. Hopefully I will have time to contribute more in the next few hours.

Boonskiies, why are you voting DrumBeats? I have some problems with the player so far that I need to resolve but I don't know if that will happen on Day 1. My focus is going to continue to be there but I don't know if I am interested in pushing that wagon seriously for now. At the moment I am considering Fykus and WhyMafia for strong candidates to be evil and will probably place my vote there soon. So far neither have received serious pressure and that worries me, because I feel they deserve it. Are you familiar with WhyMafia's meta? What do you think of his play so far?

A) don't use meta
B) I'm being a hypocrite, but if you look at every single one of my completed games, I was universally scum read.
VOTE: Cpt
Don't buy him at all

I'm going to have to disagree with you there.
Meta can be a very useful tool in helping catch scum if used properly.

Pretty convienent for a brand new player with zero meta to say, don't you think?

Meta is trash and useless on any really good player. People manipulate their meta constantly on purpose. They knowingly manipulate it as scum. Very few players really have meta tells that are solid. Like I say Nero is scum when he lurks (for instance) as his meta, but that's not really a serious read. I wouldn't use it as a centerpiece for any case. I'd just be suspicious of him maybe.