Mafia 75: Return of the Mafia! TOWN WINS (really late)

[JordanA24]

Changed Post 4 slightly to correct a mistake (Changed JDGA's death to Shotgunned rather than shot).

Also updated Vote Count

[Antithesis]

Not sure what a vote on BM is supposed to achieve at this point. He's already claimed Miller, so it isn't like we can pressure him to claim. It is too early yet to build a consensus regarding his behavior or go by his voting record, it is still day one.

Then again, I think there is only peers voting on him now, so maybe its a moot point anyway.

I think that is part of the problem I have with the current crop of 'suspects'. People seem more than happy to drop a vote on someone, but I have yet to see anyone actually push for/ make a case against anyone so far. Everything to this point strikes me merely as a vote of convenience.

[Antithesis]

Changed Post 4 slightly to correct a mistake (Changed JDGA's death to Shotgunned rather than shot).

Also updated Vote Count

Do most of the Vig kills here at mafia scum involve shotguns? Rosso says it sounds like a Vig kill. Given what JDGA posted, and my experience elsewhere, I stand by my reading of it, which is that JD protected the PGO.

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, vote oEJo.

Thoughts on the cult? BM's miller claim? Rosso Carne's excessive knowledge on the cult or lack thereof?

I feel like pressuring lurkers is something that needs to happen in this game. 30 people will make it very easy for people to skate through the game.

vote:ninja

do NOT like posts like this.

Why?
Is it just OMGUS or do you actually have a reason for this vote?

[Battle Mage]

shotgunned strikes me as very vig-like.

hmm maybe. Frankly, i dont have a clue. Ive never seen that sort of flavour difference before between shootings.

BM

[armlx]

Yeah, typically the flavor differences I've seen in generic games are

Straight up hand gun, Tommy gun / any automatic: Mafia

Most non-gun deaths: SK, very rarely body guard (typically involves the works professionally done if its body guard)

Poison: Can be cult depending on scenario

Snipe / Shotgun: Pro-town killing group, snipe can be other sometimes.

[Matt_S]

random?

No; it was in response to your unvote.

I highly, highly doubt that we have two cults. That would be degenerate in this kind of game.

I agree.

I guess I should wait like everyone else.

Hm. I really don't want to vote for anybody without watching this a bit farther.

Not sure on who to vote yet.

If everyone waits, then we'll never lynch today, and no lynch is a bad idea on day 1.

Unvote

Vote: VanDamien

Your second post, and you reply to a direct question to you, agree with a logical statement, and tell the town that a no lynch is bad. I've been sitting back after my first vote since there was lots of stuff going on, but I think you're trying pretty hard to sound useful without contributing. Your vote also doesn't seem to be anything more than random. I'll follow your advice.

Vote Lloyd

[QuickBen]

Honestly, I'd rather believe we have 2 mafia groups rather than a vig who's firing into the crowd. I'm not one to direct the vig, but if that was you, please hold your fire until you actually have suspicions.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Disagree. But since we don't know if there even is a vig, its fairly idle speculation.

[Nanosauromo]

Unvote, vote oEJo.

Thoughts on the cult? BM's miller claim? Rosso Carne's excessive knowledge on the cult or lack thereof?

I feel like pressuring lurkers is something that needs to happen in this game. 30 people will make it very easy for people to skate through the game.

vote:ninja

do NOT like posts like this.

And why exactly do you not like posts like this? I see nothing suspicious about it. Pressuring lurkers is Good For The Town, and having 30 players does make it easy for one person to go un-noticed.

I do, however, find it suspicious that you suddenly vote for him and offer a one-sentence explanation that explains nothing at all.

Vote: Rosso Carne

[armlx]

Because he says "Yeah go press lurkers" when he is one of those lurkers and is making it look like he wasn't one.

[Rosso Carne]

Unvote, vote oEJo.

Thoughts on the cult? BM's miller claim? Rosso Carne's excessive knowledge on the cult or lack thereof?

I feel like pressuring lurkers is something that needs to happen in this game. 30 people will make it very easy for people to skate through the game.

vote:ninja

do NOT like posts like this.

And why exactly do you not like posts like this? I see nothing suspicious about it. Pressuring lurkers is Good For The Town, and having 30 players does make it easy for one person to go un-noticed.

I do, however, find it suspicious that you suddenly vote for him and offer a one-sentence explanation that explains nothing at all.

Vote: Rosso Carne

As i said before, that post is nothing but fluff, and fluff posts should be killed.

i hate having to explain myself twice, please read the thread next time.

[curiouskarmadog]

Unvote, vote oEJo.

Thoughts on the cult? BM's miller claim? Rosso Carne's excessive knowledge on the cult or lack thereof?

I feel like pressuring lurkers is something that needs to happen in this game. 30 people will make it very easy for people to skate through the game.

vote:ninja

do NOT like posts like this.

And why exactly do you not like posts like this? I see nothing suspicious about it. Pressuring lurkers is Good For The Town, and having 30 players does make it easy for one person to go un-noticed.

I do, however, find it suspicious that you suddenly vote for him and offer a one-sentence explanation that explains nothing at all.

Vote: Rosso Carne

says the man who has only posted twice.

vote Nanosauromo

I felt like Ninja might have just was being a hypocrite, but it looked like maybe he was attemptting to scum hunt...this post, however, really had no scum hunting in it and IT did look like he was just trying to look lurky.

[Peers]

For the record: I'm not lurking. MS is blocked at the new job so I have to read via cellphone... so I only post when I have something important emough to wade through these tíny keys for...

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Because he says "Yeah go press lurkers" when he is one of those lurkers and is making it look like he wasn't one.

So, in other words, because I lurked (and its not like I wasn't posting, I just didn't post very much), for the first

four days

of the game, I am forever tarred with the lurker brush? I'm standing by what I said before, that those reactions only encourage more lurking. What kind of post would you have

preferred

I enter the game with?

[curiouskarmadog]

ninja, your thoughts on Nano?

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

I appreciate him backing me up, but I'm not really leaning in a rosso or armlx scum direction.

[Matt_S]

Unvote, Vote Nanosauromo

It looks to me like you were just looking for a reason to throw out a vote. Rosso Carne already explained it, and people pointed out that TheSweatpantsNinja was lurking, so I'm assuming you ignored or maybe just missed the fact that he was one of those lurkers he wanted to pressure.

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, vote oEJo.

Thoughts on the cult? BM's miller claim? Rosso Carne's excessive knowledge on the cult or lack thereof?

I feel like pressuring lurkers is something that needs to happen in this game. 30 people will make it very easy for people to skate through the game.

vote:ninja

do NOT like posts like this.

And why exactly do you not like posts like this? I see nothing suspicious about it. Pressuring lurkers is Good For The Town, and having 30 players does make it easy for one person to go un-noticed.

I do, however, find it suspicious that you suddenly vote for him and offer a one-sentence explanation that explains nothing at all.

Vote: Rosso Carne

As i said before, that post is nothing but fluff, and fluff posts should be killed.

i hate having to explain myself twice, please read the thread next time.

And i hate having to ask questions repeatedly because someone is being deliberately opaque. Just an fyi, though in fairness, i agree with you on this point.

BM

[armlx]

I'm down with my vote or voting for Nanosauromo. I say we press both wagons a bit more and see where it goes.

[Nemesis]

Honestly, I'd rather believe we have 2 mafia groups rather than a vig who's firing into the crowd. I'm not one to direct the vig, but if that was you, please hold your fire until you actually have suspicions.

I'd guess we have 2 mafia groups and an SK rather than just 1 mafia group and an SK.

The last 30 player game I saw had a 4 man scum group, an SK and 2 cults... So I think thoughts that there is only a scum group and an SK left alive is probably wishful thinking. Unless the scum group has like 8 people...

If we had a vig, I could see him/her firing into the crowd n0 though, based on the theory that 2 random lynches a day vs NKs would be better than 1 random lynch per day vs NKs. It's newbie logic, although it's also Fritzler logic. Alternatively an overeager vig might have to shoot every night.

Despite the fact that most vigs wouldn't fire blindly, I don't want to rule it out. There could be docs or roleblockers saving us kills... We could wake up tomorrow with 4 kills. So I don't think 1 set of kills is enough to give us enough information to conclude how many factions are anti-town.

[Khelvaster]

shotgunned strikes me as very vig-like.

This looks like paranoid gun dealer, the guy who shoots anyone targetting him.

[Battle Mage]

shotgunned strikes me as very vig-like.

This looks like paranoid gun dealer, the guy who shoots anyone targetting him.

that sounds pretty reasonable. Ooi, Khelv, would you have vigged someone N0 in this game?

BM

[armlx]

It's newbie logic, although it's also Fritzler logic.

QFT sir.

[Khelvaster]

shotgunned strikes me as very vig-like.

This looks like paranoid gun dealer, the guy who shoots anyone targetting him.

that sounds pretty reasonable. Ooi, Khelv, would you have vigged someone N0 in this game?

BM

Yes, I would have. The difference between 28 and 27 live townies at a start of a game is negligible, while the difference between X and X-1 mafia is much larger. The usefulness of mafia increases exponentially, the usefulness of townies decreases with each additional townie added.