Open 688: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[NJAC]

I don't like the wagon on Sesq. Still have to read, but I don't think she's the best lynch option.

[Agent Sparkles]

I looked through some of Sesq's town games earlier today, and while I strongly disagree that this is how she always plays, I think I have a better idea of what she's doing here if she's town. She's made comments before about how she gets wagoned at the beginning of almost every game, but also that she has difficulty forming reads and that being wagoned helps her sort people. If this is her motivation as town, it would make a fair amount more sense why she's been continuing to hide information and acting like this for so long. I'm not staying quiet about this because 1) we have less than 2 days to DL and there's not a lot of room for secrecy and 2) I'm not willing to let Sesq completely off the hook with how she's handled it.

@Sesq: Whether I'm right here or not, you need to tell us what you've gathered over the last two weeks and

why.

You say that Hellfire and Gamma (and possibly still alban?) are definitely scum. You've been acting extremely confident about this for a long time now, so there's no reason to keep refusing to back it up beyond a very vague case on Hellfire. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and UNVOTE: for now, but I want to see something substantive from you before deadline.

[Agent Sparkles]

VOTE: CommKnight

It's probably futile to try to make this happen near the end of the day, but I'll be on to compromise on another wagon before deadline if I have to. I feel pretty decent about town!Coop at this point and Comm's push on him is scum as shit.

[Sesq]

scum is commknight, alban and creature.

VOTE: CommKnight

[Agent Sparkles]

VOTE: njac

Everything going on just seems wrong to me. I don't know if this is because there's TvT going on or I just can't get into the game, but I think I prematurely sorted this slot a while back. I didn't like the slots's like one single post before the replace out and I don't like how this slot is just hanging back after a reasonably active replace in

Don't like or agree with this vote. Activity level is NAI and no one should be expected to have the same availability throughout the game. Out of all the content there is so far, this is what you voted for?

[Agent Sparkles]

scum is commknight, alban and creature.

VOTE: CommKnight

o.O That was a surprising turnaround.... Why those three?

I agree on creature and comm though

[Agent Sparkles]

I have more to say on Comm v. Coop, but I'll wait to hear back first.

HM is looking slightly better than before, aron's vote makes me uncomfortable

[Agent Sparkles]

Brb for dinner, I'd also like more clarity from alban and mutton

[Cooperative Sheep]

Vote: Sesq

Would also do Arona or Comm, but no one else seems interested in them for some reason.

Could you please remember me your case on Sesq?

I'm also interested in your case on Comm.

My case on Sesq is, as I stated it, mostly a compromise because people weren't voting my stronger scum reads and I saw it as the most acceptable of the available large wagons to me.

I created this alt to foster more cooperative and less douchy play - but, I have zero interest in stating yet again my case on Comm - I've stated it for at least two other players in the last few days, and have repeatedly been describing it, and even half described it just earlier today. Go read my posts, then come back with legit non-busy work/empty requests please and thank you.

Unvote: Sesq
Vote: CommKnight

Choo-choo.

[NotTheRealPaul]

I agree with coop about the comm wagon.

VOTE: CommKnight

[Sesq]

UNVOTE:

nope

VOTE: CoopSheep

[MuttonChopMagic]

VOTE: sesq

[NotTheRealPaul]

UNVOTE:

nope

VOTE: CoopSheep

VOTE: sesq

why tho (both of you)

[Sesq]

i've had enough

VOTE: NTRP

should be less mobile

[NotTheRealPaul]

i've had enough

VOTE: NTRP

should be less mobile

Once again, why?

[CommKnight]

Yeah, my vote stays on sheep. Trying to get people to vote sheep is like pulling teeth, which is usually evidence of the correct lynch. If you're gathering votes easily on someone D1, your mind should be telling you something is off.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why all these votes switches Sesq

[Sesq]

i've had enough

VOTE: NTRP

should be less mobile

Once again, why?

you're not helping

also comm is still scummy as all hell

@GE because i cant decide anything

[Gamma Emerald]

Aight
Not a fan but I'm not worrying about it for now.

[NotTheRealPaul]

i've had enough

VOTE: NTRP

should be less mobile

Once again, why?

you're not helping

also comm is still scummy as all hell

@GE because i cant decide anything

I guess asking you to share your thoughts doesnt help then. Newbie queue has taught me nothing.

[Hellfire Missile]

voteswitching is town or scum?
Do town have more fluid reads or scum?

[Cooperative Sheep]

Yeah, my vote stays on sheep. Trying to get people to vote sheep is like pulling teeth, which is usually evidence of the correct lynch. If you're gathering votes easily on someone D1, your mind should be telling you something is off.

The lack of votes on me is probably due to your case being based on a lie.
My case on you is based on facts and took the entire phase to make happen.
So the fear mongering doesn't click with me. Are you going to rebut me calling you a liar now? Or just stick to the empty fear monger as a defense?

[Cooperative Sheep]

Like, literally the only vote on you I am quite unhappy with was the one Sesq did, where he flipped to me, then to nothingness while still calling you scum, which really begs the question why he ever voted for me.

[Cooperative Sheep]

How about you explain your town read on him now though.
I'd love to hear it.
Because he is oozing scum.
Even a town read on him needs to be threadbare, gut, or role related and so shouldn't have anyone claiming an issue with a scum read on him - no?

@Mutton

[Agent Sparkles]

This is getting ridiculous. This lack of direction and communication is why scumteams win.

@Sesq: Are you ever going to answer the questions directed at you? Why did you get cold feet and vote for Paul and Sheep if you have a concrete scumteam?
@Paul: Why didn't you show an opinion on CK until there were votes on him? Do you have any other reads?
@Mutton: What's behind the recent votes on me and Sesq?

CommKnight is the right lynch today. The points about him pushing a case based in lies have already been covered well enough, but what's especially telling is how he's staunchly refusing to reevaluate or even find a different angle to attack from when he's cornered with hard logic. He keeps alternating between 1) throwing out crap that he can't support and 2) ignoring the points against him entirely (even giving an "lol u mad bro, stop acting like I don't have good points" response at one point), showing that he doesn't actually care about proving his case. Then once he can't get votes (surprise surprise), he tries to dismiss it as a scum wagon being avoided. There's no town motivation here, only shopping for bad lynches.