Mini Normal 1911 | Penguin Mafia Redux | Endgame

[Transcend]

im getting a bit tilted because a quick skim of this day and you can find all the answers to the questions you are asking

[Ranmaru]

Yeah bro I read your reasoning on Tammy and it's all about the replace out.

[Transcend]

okay good question:

the replace out ITSELF is nai but given the circumstances she was in AKA if she were mafia a big fake claim gambit, replacing out at this stage would be tactical and i just don't feel that's something tammy would do just to get a win she won't even have as she's not in the slot anymore.

if tammy replaced out BEFORE she made her claim, i would've made nothing of it, but since she did make a claim and it backfired i feel she'd fight it off as scum rather than just leaving. i feel it woul be extremely despicable for her to leave on that note.

[Mulch]

So let me get this straight: Both gamma AND transcend are defending Tammy?

[Ranmaru]

Think of it like this. If you are town, I want to make sure we square these reads away. Especially on Tammy. Don't get titted or anything. Just talk to me. (ok you answered but still letting you know, calm down dude)

[Ranmaru]

i feel it woul be extremely despicable for her to leave on that note.

It's not. Sometimes life is priority. Her replace out doesn't invalidate her play.

[Transcend]

and i'm just giving my 2c

scum gambits are supposed to win scum the game

her gambit would be incredibly risky to run as scum and really hard to win the game with

[Transcend]

i feel like her replace out was more due to frustration that her neighborize failed than real life

you are right that real life replacements are not AI but i feel this one might've been more game related

[Transcend]

cuz like she was busy the entire game but still managed to play sufficiently but i feel like that was a last straw for her.

[Ranmaru]

I know that sometimes a replace out can seem tactical and I have called out replace outs for being so (and have seen scum doing that) yet, we can't know for sure, and we shouldn't let it taint our reads on that slot. We have plenty of content to read Tammy with if we ignore the replace out. I'm not going to factor the replace out.

[Transcend]

fine

but jsyk i'm likely not gonna vote for that slot

[Ranmaru]

This is the opposite of Mulch's argument that her targeting Marshy was such low odds that we should be pushing her harder since, probability but it is possible town just chose wrong. Your case is that you think she did so as town and replaced out. In Mulch's case, we can't verify if she was truthful in targeting marshy or not, and in your case, we can't verify if she replaced out tactically or not. What you should be looking at is her content, her stances, and her votes to see her motivation.

[Ranmaru]

fine

but jsyk i'm likely not gonna vote for that slot

Alright. Can you tell me why you felt Tammy was scum originally? You asked if people wanted to see and I don't think you got a response.

[Ranmaru]

I'm tired. Frozen and Ryker, get at me.

[Ranmaru]

Good night.

[Transcend]

i fos'd her initially because she said a whole lot of words just to conclude that the top 4 posters were her townreads

it was a weak read anyways

i also confused one of her posts with lalight's because she misquoted

[LaLight]

I am not scum. Why would I fakeclaim as early? What is the reason for that? The only purpose I wanted my claim to serve is so the town can focus in the right direction and stop scumreading me. Aside from that, @Ranmaru, if you think me and Transcend are lying that makes setup.. 1-shot Dayvig, Neighbourizer and Universal Backup? You want to say this is an okay setup? Never in the world would I say so, this doesn't make any sense!

If I am scum, fakeclaiming pr

not knowing a single pr in this setup

is very, very risky and serves no purpose. What if there would be odd-night cop? Or regular cop? or town rolecop that can check my claim? The chances to guess right are VERY low. I can't see why any of you continue not to believe me. And yeah, @Ran, "if LaLight isn't ded tomorrow, lynch him" is a perfect opportunity to WIFOM for scum. Of course I will check someone and enter the day with Guilty/Innocent result but of course no one will believe me.

[Ranmaru]

I have considered you to be Mafia Role Cop.

[LaLight]

First of all, why? Only rolecops claim cops? Oo

The key point is

okay, even if I am, how could I be sure there's no cop? How could I claim a role not knowing a single thing about the setup and why?

[Ryker]

That's one I want to wait on. Read and tell me what you think and I'll swap you. Already got my read and I doubt it changes in the interim, although I have to read to ensure I'm right. Not liking my choicea though.

I don't read when I dub in. I'm odd like that.
What's your read on the day vig,

Town

[Ranmaru]

You would fake claim early to seem town. Yet you have nothing to show for it. There is also such a thing as Informed Mafia Goon. (It knows the whole setup)

[Titus]

Ok, I think Gamma and Transcend are on opposite sides.

I also think Ramicus and Lalight are on separate sides.

Anyone disagree?

[Titus]

*Ranmaru sorry

[Gamma Emerald]

Informed goon seems op
Informed traitor would be more logical

[Ranmaru]

I agree Titus.