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[Ranmaru]

It seems this time around he simplified his setup a bit. Neighborizor flipped. So that's already one role flipped. My own role. Then there is Odd cop, Even Gunsmith, and Universal Back up. I still think two of the five are lying.

[Ranmaru]

Transcend why didn't you crumb D1?

[Ranmaru]

Hmmmmmmmmm

[Ranmaru]

I think it's possible it's [1-shot vig, Neighborizer, odd cop / even gunsmith].

[Ranmaru]

Meaning odd cop + even gunsmith since they add up to one. I'm just puzzled because no protective.

[Transcend]

Transcend why didn't you crumb D1?

didn't think to, didn't feel like it

[Ranmaru]

How do you feel about Titus's recent play?

[Transcend]

typical titus

the vote on ryker was ?????????

but i think she's reading him correctly

[Ranmaru]

She's still scum.

[Transcend]

have you ever had to sort titus?

she rubs people the wrong way quite a bit when she's town. i've experienced this millions of times/

she could be scum but i doubt it. is this a scumread you have on her or a playstyle issue?

[Ranmaru]

Yes. I guess I didn't really have to sort her near end game or anything, though. I've always played with town titus. Like I said, what's got me considering her is her trying to undermine my role. It's also Tammy claiming UB, and how I don't think it'd fit. I wouldn't lynch her today. I'm leaning towards Gamma. I think you are wrong though.

[Ranmaru]

I need to go to sleep. I have work. I want to see what Frozen Flame says and we'll decide a lynch from there.

[Transcend]

Well I'm glad you think it's Gamma because that is correct and you weren't thinking that before so either something I or he did changed your mind

We can worry about Titus later

[PenguinPower]

Vote Count 3.03

Transcend

(2): Gamma Emerald, Ryker

Gamma Emerald

(1): Transcend

Not Voting

(5): LaLight, Ranmaru, Mulch, FrozenFlame, Titus

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-06-13 18:55:00)

Mod Notes:

Hi.

[Titus]

Ok Ranmaru is town. Just cleared that with the mod.

[Mulch]

I'll prove myself town later today.

Ryker is being absolutely disgusting.

It's still prob gamma- Tammy- frozen, maybe ryker goes in with frozen

[Mulch]

Titus what is your read on me?

[Titus]

One of the investigatives is likely fake now given the day vig is town.

So if Transcend town, lalight/gamma scum
If Transcend scum, gamma/la la light/mulch town.

[Titus]

Titus what is your read on me?

Don't have one yet.

[FrozenFlame]

Ok, I think Gamma and Transcend are on opposite sides.

I also think Ramicus and Lalight are on separate sides.

Anyone disagree?

I disagree. Me and Ran on the opposite sides means that he is scum!dayvig which is nonsense. No, he's just wrong and I am afraid this grave mistake will cost us a game.

Gamma and Trans, yeah, of course, that's where we should pick a lynch for toDay.

Also, welcome!

Really like this post, reassures me about me townreading LaLight.

I don't buy your role getting two false positives.

Why not? Ostensibly there are 3 scum and allegedly there are two false positives for gunsmith. In a game with a UB to help strengthen town investigative ability, why ought there not be 2 false positives to help off set the 3 potential scum gunsmith can hit when scum has no other defense against gunsmith? I can see why theres room for doubt here but I really don't see an argument for how there being two false positives by deliberate design for balance is out of the question.

You think Lalight turns on Gamma IMMEDIATELY after the Transcend claim?

To distance, possibly.

Also Gamma isn't really trying right now.

I think Lalight knows what he is doing. Have you read the scum game he linked way earlier?

The bolded has been bothering the fuck out of me. If he's truly a VT and trascend comes out with a claim like that saying he's guilty of having a gun, why don't we see more from the slot? It's fucking MYLO and if I'm GE and I know someone is lying about me, I'd be frothing at the mouth pushing that lynch because I now know the guaranteed safe path to keeping town in the game. But we haven't gotten that at all. All we got was "lol guiz transcend is lying" and a crossvote with literally nothing helpful after that other than a few random one liners. Nothing substantive. It feels like GE just knows he's caught and doesn't want to potentially expose his scummates through more detailed interaction. He's just clamming up and hope transcend ropes himself thanks to growing paranoia re: the claims. If I were GE, and I KNEW that transcend was scum, which he should if GE is actually town, I'd be doing everything I could to build a case on transcend and bust this game wide open. But we've gotten the farthest thing from it, nothing but coasting and waiting.

Transcend is atleast trying on some level to get people on GE. Granted it hasn't been much more effort than transcend has put into any wagon he's endorsed this game but that typicality isn't undermining my faith in his claim nor my read on his gradually improving play this game.

Between these two the choice is clear to me. If GE is town, he's completely dropped the ball given the situation he's in, but I suspect he's just caught scum unsure of how this 50/50 will play out and wants to be conservative incase he gets lynch and we can then use his ISO to tease out the rest of the team. If transcend is scum, frankly he did a great job gambitting on supporting the Lalight claim and capitalizing on not really needing to do so and selling it for town cred. He really had no reason to do that unless both him and LaLight are scum which I just very strongly doubt at this point; they had no motive to help narrow the lynch pool yesterday the way they did by clearing marshy and removing LaLight from lynch contention through his claim. If Transcend is scum here I just been straight outplayed with help from townGE just rolling over and letting scum close the game out when he's the only person in the game who KNOWS who a mafiat is. There's just no way I see any good faith townie like GE is in this situation.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Sorry if I'm throwing this town but the more and more I read through this day phase I only feel more strongly about this. I'm kind of feeling ryker's frustrated sentiments here re: this game being draining thanks to zulfy/FS/tammy all barely playing and us getting baited/pseudo forced into dealing with those slots else face an impossible endgame. I ISO'd every dead player in the game D2 to help me decide whether to stay or switch on FS and that only lead me to join a mislynch so at this point I'm convince that our reads collectively have just been shit this game and that focusing on this 50/50 is the best way to build an understanding of this game from the ground up. My gut has been telling me GE all game so at this point that plus GE's general apathy with the keys to the game in hand if he's town is more than enough for me to say he's the play.

[Ranmaru]

At work. Approve of Gamma votes.

[Titus]

At work. Approve of Gamma votes.

Not sure I do. As conftown, you should sit back and not steer until you have a good idea of both sides.

[LaLight]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Titus]

VOTE: Trans

[Mulch]

When FF votes Gamma