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[Titus]

Ok where are we? What claims we got?

[Titus]

no one needs to focus on light at all because i sorta townfirm him

so if im scum -- why the fuck would i townclear my buddy? too risky

if im town -- well then light's prob town

so yea no one needs to assess light

u can focus on me but like i said. a bullet is better in my head than a rope around my neck. \_O_/

How can you say this after our open?

Why do you feel town was incompetent D1 fypov?

[Titus]

Which open

The one where I hard bussed RC.

[Titus]

Errr...#suspiciousface

Can you and LaLight list your results?

[Titus]

Lalight said he targetted marshy and got town. Marshy died n2.

Suppose only one of gamma/trans is town. Who and why?

[Titus]

I would lean towards Gamma. More so because I suspect Transcend over Gamma at the moment. Reasoning later, martial arts now. I will list who I feel is the team tonight.

YOU

ARE

WRONG

That still begs the question, how the fuck was every major wagon on town if you are town?

[Titus]

Fuck, I have to do a lot more analysis. I need to see if I buy 5 PRs. I don't think I do. I'll double check myself later

Crazy idea: Two PR's are lying out of the five.

You'd have to sell me on the two and one of them has to be Tammy, which is a dick move if you were running a gambit fake claim and bailed.

Gamma or Transcend, whose side are you on?

[Titus]

That's one I want to wait on. Read and tell me what you think and I'll swap you. Already got my read and I doubt it changes in the interim, although I have to read to ensure I'm right. Not liking my choicea though.

I don't read when I dub in. I'm odd like that.
What's your read on the day vig,

[Titus]

I would lean towards Gamma. More so because I suspect Transcend over Gamma at the moment. Reasoning later, martial arts now. I will list who I feel is the team tonight.

YOU

ARE

WRONG

That still begs the question, how the fuck was every major wagon on town if you are town?

because i'm town

Gee I am looking for a little more introspection and analysis...how did that happen?

[Titus]

You are really being annoying you know that right?

[Titus]

Who do you think is scum besides gamma?

[Titus]

light (don't think i get two false negatives and he's way too trusting in me)

your slot is prob town so third is prob frozen with ryker as a comfy fourth option

False negatives?

[Titus]

ffs you've been gunsmith before you know what i'm talking about

cop has gun = guilty

vig has gun = guilty

but those guilties are misleading, hence, a false negative

Those are false positives.

False negatives are mob docs and traitors. Sorry for not realizing what you meant.

[Titus]

Ok, I think Gamma and Transcend are on opposite sides.

I also think Ramicus and Lalight are on separate sides.

Anyone disagree?

[Titus]

*Ranmaru sorry

[Titus]

Ok, I think Gamma and Transcend are on opposite sides.

I also think Ramicus and Lalight are on separate sides.

Anyone disagree?

no

but why the fuck do you put ranmaru in the mix??

I don't buy your role getting two false positives.

[Titus]

scum!dayvig which is nonsense

Town dayvigs are nonsense for most with my join date

[Titus]

In fact, I blundered as a scum dayvig for getting too cute.

[Titus]

I would expect Titus to have a solid bead of me though. Transcend thoughts on her treatment of my slot?

Why? Haven't we only played in the open where I was scum?

Mod: Are scum dayvigs allowed in normals?

[Titus]

Ok, I think Gamma and Transcend are on opposite sides.

I also think Ramicus and Lalight are on separate sides.

Anyone disagree?

Read the game or take my word on it, Ranmaru isn't scum in any world.

You're actually my biggest scumsuspect, so no.

[Titus]

I've never played with a scum Titus. You must have me confused with someone else.

Which game should I remember?

[Titus]

Alright bro. Can you tell me why you are leaning towards Transcend?

I said why Lalight is town, unfortunately, and one of her and Transcend is scum if I'm correct on the set-up.

Very low investigate power if that's the case. I disagree.

[Titus]

Alright bro. Can you tell me why you are leaning towards Transcend?

I said why Lalight is town, unfortunately, and one of her and Transcend is scum if I'm correct on the set-up.

Very low investigate power if that's the case. I disagree.

???

Then you think both have to be town in a world with a universal back-up (since that's your claimed role) and that isn't TOO much investigative power?

No, because the invests are each .5 invests.

[Titus]

You're actually my biggest scumsuspect, so no.

Why?

His post seem salesmanny.

[Titus]

Diamond is Unbreakable

Answer my question. Which open were you referring to?

That's old.

An open I just finished with Transcend.

[Titus]

That's our first time meeting. We have played on Mafia Universe. The last time I played with you was when I was scum in "The Thing Mafia." That's it. You were town there.

Ahh ok. Well that's a bit more recent. I read your hydra based on DGB, not you though.

[Titus]

@

Titus

: What I was mostly recalling was Lovers Mafia where you were my lover, and I invited you. We were both town. That's why I'm like "Hmm I'd expect Titus to read me as town here, interesting." So you seem to have read Ryker's posts to have a read on him. Have you read mine?

Yes, but I am trying to reset my brain. Also, this isn't a meta thing. Tonally, I don't have much yet.

[Titus]

What even is salesmanny? Is that an implication that I'm not supposed to sell my positions, regardless of alignment???

No. It's more that you come off like a used car salesman.

[Titus]

What even is salesmanny? Is that an implication that I'm not supposed to sell my positions, regardless of alignment???

No. It's more that you come off like a used car salesman.

And? Once more does that mean I'm not supposed to sell my position?

Why me = fry me.

[Titus]

Hey Rkyer, how do you feel about lynching Frozen Flame?

[Titus]

No. It's more that you come off like a used car salesman.

What does this mean? How does it relate to scum motivation over town motivation?

Town solve. Scum sell.

[Titus]

No. It's more that you come off like a used car salesman.

What does this mean? How does it relate to scum motivation over town motivation?

Town solve. Scum sell.

Solving does nothing if you can't sell it.

Yeah, but I don't see solving. I see steering.

[Titus]

No. It's more that you come off like a used car salesman.

What does this mean? How does it relate to scum motivation over town motivation?

Town solve. Scum sell.

Solving does nothing if you can't sell it.

Yeah, but I don't see solving. I see steering.

That's because you didn't read the game............

I don't need to in order to see your tone.

[Titus]

Say, what would you do if I voted Frozen, Ryker?

[Titus]

Call you retarded because we have a claimed guilty.

That word is a personal pet peeve of mine.

Try again.

[Titus]

Are you voting Gamma or Transcend Ryker?

[Titus]

Call you retarded because we have a claimed guilty.

That word is a personal pet peeve of mine.

Try again.

Retarded works. I have a pet peeve with people who have that as a pet peeve.

Transcend lynch over Gamma.

I was almost diagnosed as retarded due to my tonsils growing into my ears. So fuck off.

[Titus]

please just lynch gamma and figure out the rest of this shit later

What's the vc?

[Titus]

Titus are you trying to refrain from using meta in your recent games or is it just this one?

Meta sucks. I rarely use meta minus personality tells. I can analyze it but it rarely forms the basis of reads.

[Titus]

So the town read on me in Lovers Mafia was not meta then?

Highly unlikely to be. I can't say never but you'll find me pretty hard on that stance.

Why you shoot Agent Sparkles?

[Titus]

As for Titus's claim. I think he might just be insane. Odd night cop is a nutty strong role. Never played with a gunsmith, but most cop variant roles are powerful. It's WAY easy to end up in 4v2 on Day 4 with the game cleared with 2 cop variants and a back-up that can work for either.

Bitching about how you can't aim for shit? Or read for that matter? Gender box.

[Titus]

As for Titus's claim. I think he might just be insane. Odd night cop is a nutty strong role. Never played with a gunsmith, but most cop variant roles are powerful. It's WAY easy to end up in 4v2 on Day 4 with the game cleared with 2 cop variants and a back-up that can work for either.

Bitching about how you can't aim for shit? Or read for that matter? Gender box.

Can we just finish this game so I can be done playing with this snowflake?

Dude, your discredits are high. You've called me insane, retarded and a special snowflake. Why the asshole demeanor?

Do get a good night's sleep.

[Titus]

VOTE: Ryker

[Titus]

Why the Bait, Titus?

?

[Titus]

2661

Because Ryker made the kind of of shit we done goofed as scum post

[Titus]

2661

Because Ryker made the kind of of shit we done goofed as scum post

I don't totally get it. Walk me through it?

Ooh games should be balanced based on our scumteam not being inept style posts are scummy

[Titus]

His problem still happens with 1 cop and a backup as well.

[Titus]

UNVOTE: Ryker

I need sleep soon, but my displeasure is known.

[Titus]

I tell you this because I don't want you having a reliance on policy lynches to deal with people you have a hard time with. It's not optimal.

Hardly, this site needs more policy lynches, not less.

[Titus]

Ok Ranmaru is town. Just cleared that with the mod.

[Titus]

One of the investigatives is likely fake now given the day vig is town.

So if Transcend town, lalight/gamma scum
If Transcend scum, gamma/la la light/mulch town.

[Titus]

Titus what is your read on me?

Don't have one yet.

[Titus]

At work. Approve of Gamma votes.

Not sure I do. As conftown, you should sit back and not steer until you have a good idea of both sides.

[Titus]

VOTE: Trans

[Titus]

Nah, I want both wagons competitive because then if Ram picks correctly the game is over.

[Titus]

1) Obviouslty I can't prove myself confirmed town as VT? But I can prove myself town through a personal iso analysis

2) I think you and Gamma and Tammy are the team

Hey yeah no. P.S. you want to engage like I am here?

[Titus]

What are you talking about? Both wagons are at 3, and we need 5.

Yes.

And what I am hoping for is all town on one wagon, all scum on the other.

[Titus]

My gut is screaming that Transcend is scum RN just for that comment

The cop comment is pretty bad. A, he wants to leash the cop, b, it implies he trusts the cop implicitly despite the balance issues.

[Titus]

What are you talking about? Both wagons are at 3, and we need 5.

Yes.

And what I am hoping for is all town on one wagon, all scum on the other.

This completely contradicts your comment earlier about how you wanted Ran to be able to decide the game. The ideal scenario you just described literally precludes the possibility of Ran being able to unilaterally decide the game... Ran can only decide the game if scum are split and he votes wrong...

Like are you even paying attention to what you're saying?

@ LaLight:

Why are you ignoring me?

@ Ran:

Where's your head at right now dude? I really think Gamma is the right play here. Your comment re: him not even trying is so spot on its not even funny. What's holding you up?

No it doesn't.

If 3 town are on one, and 3 scum are on the other, the vote by Ram decides the game.

[Titus]

VOTE: Ryker

Confscum fmpov.

[Titus]

Lalight probably partner but that can be dealt with later.

[Titus]

Ok well Ryker isn't 100 percent confscum but for him to be town means that Gamma was planned bus, and that's unlikely.

[Titus]

Oh and I forgot to submit a neighborization. So yeah, sorry if that fucks us.

[Titus]

Waiting on Lalight at this point as well. Pretty sure I know where this is going anyway.

Why not enlighten us?

[Titus]

So. Both lalight and Titus are theoretically scumreading each other and yet are both scumreading me, and yet both somehow come to the conclusion that they should lynch me.

Notice anything?

I am not SRing you or thinking we should lynch you. You're lalight's clear. That means, you are not scum unless lalight is.

[Titus]

framer and godfather can't be in normals.

titus is claimed neighborizer. if she commuted it would've been a guilty.

regardless, talk to me about ryker/titus and whoyou think might be mafia inside them.

I think the team is Mulch/Titus.

Titus has a very convenient claim since Tammy, no one can approve it. Tammy risked to claim Neighbourizer and now Titus pays it off. Forgot to submit a claim, sure

*shrug* It's true.

If I was scum, it would be easier to claim I targeted Ryker and fake a guilty. I have been sick lately and forgot about this game.

[Titus]

VOTE: Ryker

Confscum fmpov.

This isn't a townie vote, even I who am really nervous and excited right now would not vote so early because then scum can quickhammer

Scum cannot quickhammer after a single vote. It's impossible. All four town have to agree on a wagon. One more townie votes, a quickhammer can happen.

[Titus]

From not me perspective, there is a guaranteed scum in Transcend/Ryker/me. Otherwise, scum blitz.

From everyone's perspective, mulch and flame cannot be scum unless lalight is.

So we're left with Ryker, Myself, Lalight, Transcend as possible lynches.
Lalight is optimally better resolved by nightkills. Same with Transcend.

So we're at me v Ryker.

[Titus]

So. Both lalight and Titus are theoretically scumreading each other and yet are both scumreading me, and yet both somehow come to the conclusion that they should lynch me.

Notice anything?

I am not SRing you or thinking we should lynch you. You're lalight's clear. That means, you are not scum unless lalight is.

I am? I thought Lalight "cleared" FF

You were her n1 result no?

[Titus]

that was marshy my love

Oh fml.

[Titus]

so tell me your opinion on mulch now that he's not copcleared

Could be scum, but I would have to go through ISOs to be sure on his alignment.

Rather dumb since Ryker is confscum from my perspective. I would rather have Ryker just tell me.

[Titus]

Ryker, why should I not lynch the everloving shit out of you?

Because I didnt claim a role I can't prove.

Because I have sat there and made my readslist public the entire game and you can cross reference it with my actions.

Legit, best thing I did thia game was save Sparkles. Aside from that, my play is shit, but it follows the train of thought I've shown all game. I've got the paper trail to cover me.

My role is provable. I am just an idiot and didn't submit.

Townies aren't concerned with paper trails. Why did you vote Transcend? Do you think he's scum still?

[Titus]

I don't like lalight refusing to check me. It would have easily outed the final scums if they did (assuming lalight town, which is unlikely given gamestate). Scum would have jumped on my honesty, then lalight says I am clear. Gg scum.

[Titus]

We No-Lynch, Titus neighbourizes me, Transcend check Ryker/Mulch, scum kills FF/Transcend and the scumteam is outed. If you believe me.

And why doesn't Transcend check me?

I am pretty much your mislynch right? I have no discretion in your worldview. If you die, I am mislynchable but you could also lie about my action.

I should be targeting Frozen or Transcend. You know people who have less incentive to lie. If I have to target a scumread, you can kiss your plan goodbye.

[Titus]

I am also weighing now a situation that Transcend is scum and bussed GE just to get a hella lot townpoints

Well if you're weighing Transcend as scum, who would his partner be? Why would he fake a guilty? Was gamma autolynch without it? That doesn't make much sense.

We know Frozen cannot be with Gamma. He can only be with you. If you Frozen is the team, you bussing Gamma makes little sense.

Ryker/Trans/Gamma makes little sense as scum discrediting a bus on Gamma makes no sense.

You and Trans makes no sense because of you not immediately pushing a Ryker lynch.

Trans and Mulch would have to be the most likely by PoE and that seems weak.

[Titus]

Trans checks Ryker/Mulch. And we're in the much better position

Why doesn't Trans have the option of checking me in case I visit scum? That way if scum try to mislynch me, they run the risk of having it explode in their face?

[Titus]

Dude, this just gives alarm bells that Lalight is with Ryker.

[Titus]

Lalight's whole posting assumes they live tomorrow...which is really odd if their cop result solves the game...

[Titus]

me? With Ryker? no. I just feel no lynch is better.

Let's listen to FF then

pedit: I won't have cop result tomorrow, I am odd-night

Then why does nling solve the game, scum can just kill the investigative with the result.

Also, why were you left alive? It's mylo and you weren't facing extreme pushback...

[Titus]

for the sake of wifom.

Ran was an IC

For the sake of wifom, scum make another IC?

[Titus]

Ok, well with lalight voting me, let's see if Ryker does. It will do a lot for solving the game from my perspective.

[Titus]

you have to admit that two nights of your neighborize failing looks kinda shitty but i think you're prob town for right now.

Yup. It is. That's why if I got voted for that reason, I would have no one to blame but me. Yet, I think the Ran kill was to prevent my neughborization from working and give lalight space to hide.

[Titus]

give me space to hide? How exactly?

Well they killed the conftown so they didn't kill the cop making conftown argument.

You were a suboptimal kill if you and Trans were both town as Ran believed one of you to be scum.

[Titus]

i've had tons of time to 1 on 1 talk with you about reads i haven't had any with mulch and i was hoping to do such

Pronoun error?

[Titus]

i've had tons of time to 1 on 1 talk with you about reads i haven't had any with mulch and i was hoping to do such

Pronoun error?

i don't think so?

Who is "you"?

[Titus]

Why is Mulch scum?

[Titus]

dispelled easily by reading (possibility of scum Ran)

This is only dispelled by asking the mod if a dayvig can be scum. I was around when that rule was created and it was to prevent high kpn low sized scum teams. Dayvig was a common scum role when I started.

after calling Lalight scum the entire, fucking, game

Yeah, about that. I skimmed your ISO, there's no real attempt at persuadion going on. Your ISO also has textbook rule of 3 going on and buddying Tammy hard core.

I am willing to vote Lalight too.

[Titus]

Trans, vote Lalight, we can eliminate some teams that way.

[Titus]

Hey, there's still a chance we can do PoE today. Someone scumreading Ryker vote him with me.

[Titus]

@Mulch, If Trans is town, Ryker is confirmed scum to me. I am willing to vote Lalight if a wagon takes but logically Ryker is my priority. I do think your Lalight case is pretty spot on.

[Titus]

I'm going to humor you Titus. Who do you think is Ryker's scumpartner then?

Lalight, which is why I am willing to vote there but I obviously have strong Ryker preference.

[Titus]

@Lalight, why have you pushed everyone but Ryker and Frozen as scum, yet you SR Ryker allegedly?

[Titus]

@Lalight, why didn't you check me?

[Titus]

Meh, we weren't winning anyway. Sorry for the mistake but Trans was not getting lynched.

[Titus]

Had fun til the end.

Was super fun playing with all my boys again.

Transcend, you're dope to hang out with.

Titus, please never replace into a game and then refuse to read it. Instead just let someone else get the slot or let it be mod killed. Especially if you're not going to send in a night action.

Well played to all involved.

In 4 or 5 plus years of mafia, this is the first night action I missed.

[Titus]

good job scum

ryker i know that shit dragged for you but i hope your enthusiasm isnt killed to the point youll /out the potential large game. wondering if you can bring laundry/raz/anyone else should we get the green light here

I would, but I actually have to bail on it because the Mafia Championship game I'm in started up.

Good luck.

[Titus]

Meh, we weren't winning anyway. Sorry for the mistake but Trans was not getting lynched.

I learned from the best

Meh I was afraid of that. The gunsmith having two false positives in a setup design made little sense.

[Titus]

Meh, we weren't winning anyway. Sorry for the mistake but Trans was not getting lynched.

I learned from the best

This is why I <3 you, and why you scare me. You mimicked the open game didn't you?

[Titus]

swf

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