and he explains why he didn't do it in that game which I likeIn post 246, Grendel wrote:I was wanting to avoid RC, and Frogger as much as possible.
I could tell JR was predisposed to scum read me from the start.
RQS usually garners more attention then going off and scumhunting by myself.
Tone, mostly. That was a shrug and move on response, and since then he has definitely not been dismissive (except to gamma, but that wasn't what I was talking about)In post 391, Grendel wrote:What about this is liking Accountant's response to you Backhand?In post 178, Backhand wrote:
Not necessarily--you could be pretending to engage only to dismiss them later, especially if ScumAccountant didn't like where they were headed. But this is a molehill, not a mountain.
Am I missing something?
I'm not as angry about it as he was/is, but I do think Day 1's are really hard and its very clear to me that the current "no policy lynch" meta is allowing people to get away with intentionally bad play, and the credible threat of a lurker lynch is important. Accountant and grendel don't have to like it, that's fine.Gamma Emerald wrote:
Been there. Don't let Tywin's defeatist theory get you down Backhand.
I think notmafia should participate in the game, since we've gotten one post from the slot the whole game. Not sure why that's confusing.In post 466, Hiraki wrote:what??????In post 360, Backhand wrote:Haven't caught up yet, or don't want to? Whatcha thinking?
This is a townslip. Could be fake, but like CCC, I doubt it.In post 119, NotTheRealPaul wrote:oh crap you caught meIn post 98, Accountant wrote:I think NotTheRealPaul is probably scum. The selfvote + questionnaire answering felt like a really bad attempt to fit in/insert self into game and their post was more or less an isolated island that didn't touch on what was being discussed around them. This is scummy because mafia find it way easier to put themselves into a game through easy to fake stuff like selfvote jokes or answering NAI questions rather than put themselves in the midst of real discussion.
VOTE: NotTheRealPaul
Let me just hop onto the maf thread and ask cheetory what to do.
It didn't. My Backhand vote was long overdue.In post 469, Hiraki wrote:@Accountant - can you tell how Post 318 pinged you?
How is it a townslip?In post 477, Backhand wrote:Well, I was going to do a PBPA on NTRP, but I only got two posts in and I realized he's either town or is playing a deeper game that his other posts don't really back up (no offense, I hope)
This is a townslip. Could be fake, but like CCC, I doubt it.In post 119, NotTheRealPaul wrote:oh crap you caught meIn post 98, Accountant wrote:I think NotTheRealPaul is probably scum. The selfvote + questionnaire answering felt like a really bad attempt to fit in/insert self into game and their post was more or less an isolated island that didn't touch on what was being discussed around them. This is scummy because mafia find it way easier to put themselves into a game through easy to fake stuff like selfvote jokes or answering NAI questions rather than put themselves in the midst of real discussion.
VOTE: NotTheRealPaul
Let me just hop onto the maf thread and ask cheetory what to do.
How should town scumhunt? Tbh, I think you've made one scumread that wasn't just counterattacking, and that was calling hiraki scummy for being a detached observer. Expand on that?Notsure wrote: This shows me you know how a Town should scumhunt, but you, as mafia, have no problem doing the opposite.
In post 479, Accountant wrote: How is it a townslip?
Don't think I understand what this means!In post 466, Hiraki wrote:Honestly getting TRs from Gamma, why does this keep happening
Not so much confusing as it is a little outrageous to demand, regardless of it being N_M.In post 476, Backhand wrote:I think notmafia should participate in the game, since we've gotten one post from the slot the whole game. Not sure why that's confusing.
I usually SR Gamma regardless of his role but for the last few games I've been TRing, again, regardless of his role.In post 485, Cheetory6 wrote:Don't think I understand what this means!
I was going to argue against this but given your read list it's clear there's a reasoning here.In post 472, notsure wrote:In post 470, Gamma Emerald wrote:So? Is that a scumtell?In post 467, notsure wrote:hmmm, Hikari seems like a detached observer...
YES
It was sarcasm. It's null.In post 482, Backhand wrote:In post 479, Accountant wrote: How is it a townslip?This game explicitly does not have daytalk.
Ah, shit. I misread, mafia did have daytalk for 48 hours. So, take that one back.
Before my hiatus Hiraki found me scummy most of the time.In post 485, Cheetory6 wrote:Don't think I understand what this means!In post 466, Hiraki wrote:Honestly getting TRs from Gamma, why does this keep happening
@Accountant, it could be TvT, but if I think their tones are both scummy and that there's something from the interaction that feels off, I don't really know why you would expect me to entertain that as an option, especially when I said I was being lazy there ya silly goose.
@notsure, I don't think you actually understand what I'm saying.
Scum has to put effort in to seem town and to make sure their thoughts make sense.
Town just has to think something and say it.
I spend maybe like.. 10 minutes making a decent sized post as town, where as scum it can take me hours to make sure that I feel like a single serious post isn't awkward sounding, or that something is worded funny or indicates I have too much knowledge.
Have to check whether I seem like I'm being genuine, etc..
Some people don't worry about that kind of stuff, but I feel like most scum do.
Agree now, but scumPaul would definitely know there wasn't daytalk (except there was at the time, oops)In post 489, Gamma Emerald wrote:It was sarcasm. It's null.In post 482, Backhand wrote:In post 479, Accountant wrote: How is it a townslip?This game explicitly does not have daytalk.
Ah, shit. I misread, mafia did have daytalk for 48 hours. So, take that one back.
Based on the player, yes.In post 491, Backhand wrote:Hiraki, a replacement comes in and votes for himself, its outrageous to ask for more?
Get well soon!In post 388, DeathRowKitty wrote:i am sick and not reading things
You know, I can't find anything in here that I can say withIn post 389, Grendel wrote:That said- I do think you are wrong on backhand.
I know what you are saying here but I'm inclined to believe that you are town reading Back b/c he voiced belief in your claim. Which could mean you are town, as I would probably avoid weighing in if a scum buddy started faking town tells. Backhand probably jumped on the moment to start forming some early reads without having to put extra effort to "find" them. That makes more sense then a S/S interaction.
...you know, I hadn't noticed this before. Now, I can understand wanting a policy lynch on someone, but... two in a row? ThatIn post 393, Accountant wrote:I'm uncomfortable with how you've moved from MCM policy lynch to N_M policy lynch rather than ~ actual scum lynches ~In post 377, Backhand wrote:I really like the way drk engaged with raya and gamma in these posts, mcm. So I'd take him out of your pool, if I were you.
If we all think and/or know not_mafia plans on being unreadable and useless through the whole game, I'd as soon be rid of him now.
You took that quote completely out of context. It was in reference to Paul's post about not being able to judge someone's starting behavior until later.In post 481, Backhand wrote:Notsure is *extremely* defensive. I said this earlier, but being unfairly read can be true of town or scum. But its really hard to penetrate.
How should town scumhunt? Tbh, I think you've made one scumread that wasn't just counterattacking, and that was calling hiraki scummy for being a detached observer. Expand on that?Notsure wrote: This shows me you know how a Town should scumhunt, but you, as mafia, have no problem doing the opposite.
Also in the future, I'd advise putting your readlist in order of scumminess rather than scattershot, it makes them easier to comprehend.
I agree with you. But a Townie putting someone on the spot about something they didn't even bother to read up on is bizarre. It appears like they aren't invested in outing mafia, but pretending to come off that way.In post 485, Cheetory6 wrote:@notsure, I don't think you actually understand what I'm saying.
Scum has to put effort in to seem town and to make sure their thoughts make sense.
Town just has to think something and say it.
I spend maybe like.. 10 minutes making a decent sized post as town, where as scum it can take me hours to make sure that I feel like a single serious post isn't awkward sounding, or that something is worded funny or indicates I have too much knowledge.
Have to check whether I seem like I'm being genuine, etc..
Some people don't worry about that kind of stuff, but I feel like most scum do.
Calling attention to this again.In post 381, CCC wrote:Carefully hidden in this rhyme is a very good point. You're wrong on one thing, though - NotTheRealPaul has two votes now, so far as I could spot (NotSure put on the other one).In post 379, MuttonChopMagic wrote:no, we don't completely ignore him because he softed pr
if he doesn't do anything actually useful then he climbs the lynch bar
if he's at l-1 and claims something believable, that is when we lynch elsewhere
I am the only vote on him atm I believe, that's not exactly biological warfare
also, to get all altruistic and shit, but understand
we should not be teaching beginners softing having a pr after 1 vote = a good plan
But that doesn't change your main point. Frivolous PR softing should not be encouraged. Also, I'm sure the Mafia's picked up on it already - he has very little to lose by being a little more explicit at this point.
VOTE: NotTheRealPaul
And that, I believe, makes three votes.