Open 688: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1000 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:15 am

Creature
Sesq - n3 doc
Hellfire Missile - cop
Agent Sparkles - n1 doc
NJAC
Gamma Emerald
Titus
Cooperative Sheep - n1 doc
alban - n1 doc
Vedith - cop
NotTheRealPaul
MuttonChopMagic - cop

CommKnight - dead doc

I'll claim before Titus and the other saves but no sooner
NTRP first

Vedith · Post Post #1001 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:18 am

Nottherealpaul - woo us!

Titus · Post Post #1002 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:33 am

In post 1000, Gamma Emerald wrote:Creature
Sesq - n3 doc
Hellfire Missile - cop
Agent Sparkles - n1 doc
NJAC
Gamma Emerald
Titus
Cooperative Sheep - n1 doc
alban - n1 doc
Vedith - cop
NotTheRealPaul
MuttonChopMagic - cop

CommKnight - dead doc

I'll claim before Titus and the other saves but no sooner
NTRP first

Is that a typo? Mutton said Sesq claimed n4 doc? You have him as n3 doc?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1003 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:34 am

I'm fairly certain Sesq said n3

Titus · Post Post #1004 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:35 am

In post 661, Sesq wrote:im night three doctor

counterclaim me

i fucking dare you

Ok mutton had a typo

Vedith · Post Post #1005 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:36 am

Or mutton lied.

MuttonChopMagic · Post Post #1006 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:01 am

Titus · Post Post #1007 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:22 am

Really...

Vedith · Post Post #1008 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:33 am

In post 1007, Titus wrote:Really...

I'm not sure. Seems a little small to lie over.

Titus · Post Post #1009 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:11 am

Exactly.

Creature's posting elsewhere. He's due to claim.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1010 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:12 am

Creature is one of the protects

Creature · Post Post #1011 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:13 am

Oh right, didn't notice it was my turn.

Am I supposed to full claim or just claim cop/doctor?

Creature · Post Post #1012 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:14 am

I don't see anyone popcorning me...

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1013 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:15 am

Wait until NTRP at the very least claims

Titus · Post Post #1014 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:43 am

Oh.

Just cop/doc

We're establishing how many scum have to be in a particular pool.

NotTheRealPaul · Post Post #1015 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:04 am

OOOOO I get to claim! Im a cop.

Do I popcorn someone? Its supposed to be someone not in the protects right? Titus! I choose you!

Vedith · Post Post #1016 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:10 am

Titus, you're up!

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1017 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:42 am

I'll claim after Titus fyi
I can claim before if you so wish tbh

Vedith · Post Post #1018 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:50 am

To be honest I don't think it matters what order it goes.
I do strongly believe Titus town here, and even you though.

Agent Sparkles · Post Post #1019 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:10 pm

Spoiler:

In post 829, Gamma Emerald wrote:Then why are you saying those pairs are town? People can use doctors on mafia.

Clearly one of us didn't, otherwise we would almost definitely not be in this scenario. And I never said both pairs were necessarily town- in fact, even with my townlean on Sheep, I think your D2 play is among the scummiest.

In post 830, MuttonChopMagic wrote:there was no universe where gamma was shot
so, tbqh, just stop

No, you should just stop with this forced confidence that you know what no scum would do in this situation. There are a dozen possible reasons to kill someone, whether they have accurate reads, they're an obstacle to a mislynch, people are townreading them (which multiple people were), creating WIFOM, etc.....

In post 839, alban wrote:Down with fever. VLA till 10th.

In post 840, Cooperative Sheep wrote:You're too sick to log on and type but know you'll be better by the 10th?

I don't think this is AI on alban's part- he could always change his V/LA end date if he needs to, and it doesn't suggest a particular mindset anyway.

In post 850, Vedith wrote:How close to deadline was the vote changed by Sparkles?

About two days before.

In post 864, MuttonChopMagic wrote:anyways, ignore pretty much everything sheep tries to tell you as he's scum

I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but this is a really awful mindset to have and not a town one. You don't just write someone off as scum and then refuse to listen to anything they say after that, even if they're acting like obvscum. It's the complete opposite of gamesolving and has absolutely no purpose.

In post 869, MuttonChopMagic wrote:sparkles still hasn't answered my question
so when he comes back I expect that complexion

I think I already explained why I was townleaning on NJAC, but it basically boiled down to how he did more to sort people and probe into/understand their thought processes than the vast majority of the playerlist. It was refreshing at a time when the game was full of people not really contributing and throwing out bizarre reads that they couldn't support well, so I might be slightly biased here.

I also acknowledge that my read on him outside of the save is a bit stale with his apparent lack of time to post this cycle. Would help to see his thoughts/reads so far and hopefully reinforce my opinion of him.

In post 901, Vedith wrote:Yup I'm happy to go first if we go with it.
Anyone against it state why.

Town points for this. Scum suggesting a massclaim for towncred to draw cops out of hiding would almost definitely at least want to see other claims before risking a claim themselves, so it's unlikely that scum!Vedith proactively volunteered to go first here without any outside pressure.

In post 935, Vedith wrote:Gamma scum.

In post 962, Vedith wrote:Too late, you won't be stopping this.
The people that are going to be against a mass reveal mostly are Scum.

On the other hand, I don't like this.

It should be obvious that the idea of bringing everyone's power out in the open is going to be a controversial one, even if it's for good reasons. Resisting it is hardly AI, especially if scum are aware of the possible backlash.

In post 959, alban wrote:I am not well so I am not gonna keep it long.
With the entry of two seasoned players in the game, I would have imagined the game would be heading in a spectacular direction.
If earlier the town was lost, it's not misdirected.
I think claiming is the worst and the stupidest idea ever. Unless of course it had to come from scum.
Between Vedith and Titus, I would be more inclined to vote for Vedith also coz he replaces Lunae - someone I couldn't trust before.
As sure as I may sound, I am not sure about this line of action, and I trust nothing dumb will happen under provocation or pressure, but I read Paul's latest posts, and got a doomsday feel. Paul, DO NOT REVEAL! End of discussion.
See you when better.

At least half of the docs in the game are revealed and effectively useless now. By finishing claims we can PoE scum through the numbers to an extent and even more when and if we get scum flips. And we aren't claiming night, just ability.

In post 970, Titus wrote:Because I am not a fan of him randomly claiming, not being here, and being the n1 counter

Why is being the counter-wagon scum indicative?

Spoiler fixed

Agent Sparkles · Post Post #1020 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:11 pm

That was supposed to be inside a spoiler button, @Mod can you fix that?

Agent Sparkles · Post Post #1021 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:19 pm

I'll just save you all the trouble for now

Spoiler:

In post 829, Gamma Emerald wrote:Then why are you saying those pairs are town? People can use doctors on mafia.

Clearly one of us didn't, otherwise we would almost definitely not be in this scenario. And I never said both pairs were necessarily town- in fact, even with my townlean on Sheep, I think your D2 play is among the scummiest.

In post 830, MuttonChopMagic wrote:there was no universe where gamma was shot
so, tbqh, just stop

No, you should just stop with this forced confidence that you know what no scum would do in this situation. There are a dozen possible reasons to kill someone, whether they have accurate reads, they're an obstacle to a mislynch, people are townreading them (which multiple people were), creating WIFOM, etc.....

In post 839, alban wrote:Down with fever. VLA till 10th.

In post 840, Cooperative Sheep wrote:You're too sick to log on and type but know you'll be better by the 10th?

I don't think this is AI on alban's part- he could always change his V/LA end date if he needs to, and it doesn't suggest a particular mindset anyway.

In post 850, Vedith wrote:How close to deadline was the vote changed by Sparkles?

About two days before.

In post 864, MuttonChopMagic wrote:anyways, ignore pretty much everything sheep tries to tell you as he's scum

I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but this is a really awful mindset to have and not a town one. You don't just write someone off as scum and then refuse to listen to anything they say after that, even if they're acting like obvscum. It's the complete opposite of gamesolving and has absolutely no purpose.

In post 869, MuttonChopMagic wrote:sparkles still hasn't answered my question
so when he comes back I expect that complexion

I think I already explained why I was townleaning on NJAC, but it basically boiled down to how he did more to sort people and probe into/understand their thought processes than the vast majority of the playerlist. It was refreshing at a time when the game was full of people not really contributing and throwing out bizarre reads that they couldn't support well, so I might be slightly biased here.

I also acknowledge that my read on him outside of the save is a bit stale with his apparent lack of time to post this cycle. Would help to see his thoughts/reads so far and hopefully reinforce my opinion of him.

In post 901, Vedith wrote:Yup I'm happy to go first if we go with it.
Anyone against it state why.

Town points for this. Scum suggesting a massclaim for towncred to draw cops out of hiding would almost definitely at least want to see other claims before risking a claim themselves, so it's unlikely that scum!Vedith proactively volunteered to go first here without any outside pressure.

In post 935, Vedith wrote:Gamma scum.

In post 962, Vedith wrote:Too late, you won't be stopping this.
The people that are going to be against a mass reveal mostly are Scum.

On the other hand, I don't like this.

It should be obvious that the idea of bringing everyone's power out in the open is going to be a controversial one, even if it's for good reasons. Resisting it is hardly AI, especially if scum are aware of the possible backlash.

In post 959, alban wrote:I am not well so I am not gonna keep it long.
With the entry of two seasoned players in the game, I would have imagined the game would be heading in a spectacular direction.
If earlier the town was lost, it's not misdirected.
I think claiming is the worst and the stupidest idea ever. Unless of course it had to come from scum.
Between Vedith and Titus, I would be more inclined to vote for Vedith also coz he replaces Lunae - someone I couldn't trust before.
As sure as I may sound, I am not sure about this line of action, and I trust nothing dumb will happen under provocation or pressure, but I read Paul's latest posts, and got a doomsday feel. Paul, DO NOT REVEAL! End of discussion.
See you when better.

At least half of the docs in the game are revealed and effectively useless now. By finishing claims we can PoE scum through the numbers to an extent and even more when and if we get scum flips. And we aren't claiming night, just ability.

In post 970, Titus wrote:Because I am not a fan of him randomly claiming, not being here, and being the n1 counter

Why is being the counter-wagon scum indicative?

VOTE: MuttonChop for good measure.

Agent Sparkles · Post Post #1022 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:29 pm

In post 1021, Agent Sparkles wrote:
In post 901, Vedith wrote:Yup I'm happy to go first if we go with it.
Anyone against it state why.
Town points for this. Scum suggesting a massclaim for towncred to draw cops out of hiding would almost definitely at least want to see other claims before risking a claim themselves, so it's unlikely that scum!Vedith proactively volunteered to go first here without any outside pressure.

Actually, this might be a moot point since scum know the amount of docs/cops in the setup and they'd want to spread themselves out accordingly anyway

MuttonChopMagic · Post Post #1023 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:30 pm

I have a reply but I'm gonna wait until mass claim is done first for ~reasons~ that are sublime
UNVOTE: and maybe a future omgus vote but not at this time

MuttonChopMagic · Post Post #1024 (ISO) » Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:37 pm

lemme tldr that awesome catchup though. after all, in this BRIGHT YOUTHFUL GENERATION who has time to read a post when you can make someone take the piss

useless shade, defending something nobody attacked, , useless shade, njac is town but he might not be, vedith is town, wait nvm he's not, rehash, dumb question, oh look a random vote on the guy you uselessly shaded (you could make a religion out of this)