Mini Normal 1914 - Sunshine Mafia - Game Over

[MarioManiac4]

the advantage of massclaiming would be that 3 town PRs are already dead and one more has claimed, we may be able to determine likelihood of scum in PR + Vanilla pools and perhaps even gain information

[TwoFace]

I'm not a fan of mass claim

[MarioManiac4]

sinks

[MarioManiac4]

by the way we probably shouldn't setup speculate at all here if we're not massclaiming- it's hard to evaluate the likelehood of a role being town if we don't know the setup. it's possible btd6 is a scum roleblocker who claimed to save themself.

[iDanyboy]

by the way we probably shouldn't setup speculate at all here if we're not massclaiming- it's hard to evaluate the likelehood of a role being town if we don't know the setup. it's possible btd6 is a scum roleblocker who claimed to save themself.

What do you think of Twofaces vote?

[MarioManiac4]

I don't like how dany was scumreading me d1 but wouldn't vote me d1
his jumping on lalight is pretty bad too
at least he has made effort to scumhunt today though. i need to evaluate other people.

pedit: he's probably just tunnelling again. i don't think btd is scum right now but twoface is extremely vigilant towards lurkers.

[TwoFace]

Why do you think btd is not scum?

[MarioManiac4]

honestly 2-shot roleblocker makes sense
2-shot roleblocker and 2-shot rolestopper goes with the pattern of oddnight rolecop and evennight rolecop

[TwoFace]

Too powerful imo.

[MarioManiac4]

meh
rolestopper is basically just a 2-shot doctor- 2-shot doc, 2-shot rb is completely fine, rolecops don't do much usually. depends on what frog did with the mafia roles (roles like ninja/strongman/encryptor would work as guilties, whereas things like backup ICs would be equivalent to innocents)
in fact i'm not even sure that's enough town power

[MarioManiac4]

also
i don't want claims to be in lylo that's bad it gives way too much room for fake guilties etc.

[Syndesis]

Definitely believe BTD's claim here; as Syndesis noted, no real reason for him to claim here and in particular the discussion centering around the crumb rings very very true to me.

I think I agree that the crumb seems pretty genuine here.

Okay but why the hell would scum BTD even claim here?

You do realize mafia is a game of manipulation right?

Why would town claim here?

You do realize that anything can be dismissed as a play for towncred right?

As was said downthread, there's certainly reasons to claim as town here, but even if you can't see any town reasons, you have to have a scum reason.

[TwoFace]

Already gave one. Try to keep up.

[Syndesis]

honestly 2-shot roleblocker makes sense
2-shot roleblocker and 2-shot rolestopper goes with the pattern of oddnight rolecop and evennight rolecop

Yeah, that seems pretty symmetrical.

Reading TwoFace's posts lowkey makes me cry.

[Syndesis]

Already gave one. Try to keep up.

I'm aware, and a) that seems like bad reasoning and b) you didn't answer when I asked which is what I was arguing.

[MarioManiac4]

Syndesis, are you scum?

[MarioManiac4]

Because I have no idea and it's making this game so much harder.

[Syndesis]

Syndesis, are you scum?

If only.

[MarioManiac4]

Like, I'm willing to call Dany (because his d3 play is pretty obvtown), BTD6 (because of their claim), and Nacho (because I have done a 180 on Mulch; I now think that Mulch is town because he was making no real effort to project as town and do pro-town things.) town.
So I think all three scum are in {Ingeel, Syndesis, mush, TwoFace, IAI}
I don't really want to lynch mush. His d1 posts still read as obvtown.
So really, I'm willing to lynch inside {Ingeel, Syndesis, IAI, TwoFace} but it would really help if someone in there did something obvtown or obvscum so I can sort them today.
(inb4 scumteam is Dany/Nacho/mush and I got destroyed this game)

pedit: 10/10 can sympathize

[MarioManiac4]

If TwoFace is mafia, he's probably going to win because nobody has any idea how to read him myself included

[TwoFace]

BTD6 (because of their claim),

If people are going to give him town cred for his claim then go ahead and Lynch me cause I'm done with this game. The claim doesn't make him town. His play is the only thing that can dictate that and his play screams scum.

[MarioManiac4]

2-shot RB/2-shot RS
Odd-night RC/Even-night RC
it makes sense, it is symmetrical, it works.

[TwoFace]

No it doesn't make sense. It's not even remotely balanced

[TwoFace]

I'm done discussing. Lynch me and get me out of this game already. Town has lost with no chance of winning

[MarioManiac4]

No it doesn't make sense. It's not even remotely balanced

Why not?
What is so p o w e r f u l in that?