Mini 1918: Paint Mafia Threequel! Game Over!

[Infinity 324]

BLUE players are very, very likely CONFIRMED TOWN unless someone can prove that players can change others blue.
RED players are likely to be CONFIRMED SCUM in the EARLY GAME but we can't rely on that as much moving forward.
Again, this is somewhat speculative, as Cheetory could've changed some core things between the second game and this one, but
I do NOT see Cheetory giving Mafia the ability to paint players blue, since he really didn't like how much that could skew things in scum's favor in the first game and was essentially 'bastard'.

Yeah this makes more sense.

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: Twoface
Not just because he gets a drawing, but also because I'm curious why Aristo joined and fell off after the drawing.

I was voting him bwcause he said he wasnt a nerd.

I unvoted when he accepted the facts

Ari do you have any reads?

[Cheetory6]

VoteCount 1.01

Gamma Emerald [2]

- Aristophanes, jjh927

TwoFace [2]

- Bomberman, Varsoon

Varsoon [1]

- Havo

Raya36 [1]

- MaxwellPuckett

Not Voting [7]:

Apricity, aptil, Fro99er, Gamma Emerald, Infinity324, Raya36, TwoFace

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to flip someone's colour. You have (expired on 2017-06-14 09:00:00) to do so.

[Infinity 324]

I'll read it when I get to a computer.

You'd be wrong on both

Something's off about twoface I think

[Infinity 324]

Hey everyone! These mechanics sound like fun. One thing I'm a bit confused on is what the colours tell us. If we later on in the game vote for someone to reveal their colour and say for example they come out as purple, would that mean anything other than they were targeted by mafia at some point to change their colour? Also any idea if we are told if our colour changes and what it changes to or if we get voted for it's a surprise for us too?

I can talk about what it was like in the last game:

Since scum couldn't change colors to blue, they could use non-blue, non-red colors on themselves to protect themselves. But since town could anticipate that, scum could also target town with one of those colors to spread WIFOM. Because of that, I think non-blue, non-red colors point to the player being scum but only slightly.

And players weren't notified of a change to their color. I expect that will be the same otherwise we could just massclaim colors and make scum's life very difficult.

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: varsoon

I'll take wallposting so soon as a request to be the town leader. But first, he needs to go through the security check.

[Infinity 324]

Plus I think varsoon's hard to read.

[jjh927]

Explanation of why I townread Ari and jj
I'd figure scum wouldn't want to just let someone get confirmed by their own will, they'd control who got confirmed

Just as a late response, I actually kinda like that there is actual logic in this, which nets Gamma a fairly shitty townlean. That puts him higher up than anyone else in my reads so far though.

VOTE: Varsoon

This looks good to me.

[Apricity]

I've been busy all day, so sorry for getting to this so late! Reading up now.

[Apricity]

Can either Gamma or jj explain the logic in that post? Maybe I'm just tired but I don't really understand his reasoning in post 22 there. And also why he didn't explain right when he listed his early townreads.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can either Gamma or jj explain the logic in that post? Maybe I'm just tired but I don't really understand his reasoning in post 22 there. And also why he didn't explain right when he listed his early townreads.

If they were scum they wouldn't want me to control the color flip that way if I'm Town and if I'm scum they wouldn't want to flip me. I didn't explain it when I first said it because I figured someone would ask.

[Apricity]

I like the natural curiosity in Raya's 44. Raises a lot of the same questions I had after Varsoon explained the mechanics a little. Like for example the purpose of different colors, whether we are notified of changes, etc. Does anyone know if colors are tied to actual roles at all?

Aristo is so cheerful that it almost feels artificial, but perhaps that's just his posting style (@people who've played with him before). I think I might have a hard time reading him

P-edit: Ah, I see now. And yeah I probably would've asked :3

Also it's been forever since I last played a mafia game so please bear with me if I'm super rusty.

[Apricity]

VOTE: Twoface
Not just because he gets a drawing, but also because I'm curious why Aristo joined and fell off after the drawing.

I was voting him bwcause he said he wasnt a nerd.

I unvoted when he accepted the facts

Ari do you have any reads?

Is there a reason why you're picking out him in particular to ask?

[Infinity 324]

I like the natural curiosity in Raya's 44. Raises a lot of the same questions I had after Varsoon explained the mechanics a little. Like for example the purpose of different colors, whether we are notified of changes, etc. Does anyone know if colors are tied to actual roles at all?

Aristo is so cheerful that it almost feels artificial, but perhaps that's just his posting style (@people who've played with him before). I think I might have a hard time reading him

Why wouldn't scum have the same mechanical questions as you?

The default color for town is blue and the default color for scum is red, otherwise color doesn't mean anything about role.

Yes ari's cheerfulness is part of his personality. And he can actually be quite easy to read--if he posts content, he's almost always town. Simple as that. (Though I don't really have the experience with ari to support this, I've played with many people who do and they all agree on this.) However, he often doesn't post content even as town.

VOTE: Twoface
Not just because he gets a drawing, but also because I'm curious why Aristo joined and fell off after the drawing.

I was voting him bwcause he said he wasnt a nerd.

I unvoted when he accepted the facts

Ari do you have any reads?

Is there a reason why you're picking out him in particular to ask?

Yes, see above.

[MaxwellPuckett]

Varsoon isn't hard to read
He's one of the few slots I actually have an opinion about flipping today, and its a no from over here, try to flip scum Infinity not someone who'll just get NKed if town

[MaxwellPuckett]

VOTE: varsoon

I'll take wallposting so soon as a request to be the town leader. But first, he needs to go through the security check.

Actually I dont just disagree imo this is just scummy


But jjh's vote is worse by default.
Jjh do you think Varsoon is scum, why?

[jjh927]

Nope. We're voting to reveal colour, not to lynch scum.

[Varsoon]

Hey everyone! These mechanics sound like fun. One thing I'm a bit confused on is what the colours tell us. If we later on in the game vote for someone to reveal their colour and say for example they come out as purple, would that mean anything other than they were targeted by mafia at some point to change their colour? Also any idea if we are told if our colour changes and what it changes to or if we get voted for it's a surprise for us too?

In previous games, only very specific PRs knew if their color changed.
To this detail, we should probably ask people to claim their color at FLIP -1, because that's gonna be helpful.

Not just because he gets a drawing, but also because I'm curious why Aristo joined and fell off after the drawing

What do you mean?

I read the last paint mafia, and iirc scum had enough ways to change town's colors that red wasn't a very reliable scumtell at endgame. Am I correct?

I'm curious why Aristophanes dropped off of TwoFace after very insignificant interaction.
And, yes, red flips become less reliable as the game goes on if this is anything like the previous ones.

Nope. We're voting to reveal colour, not to lynch scum.

Yes, but we want to, ideally, confirm a RED player right now rather than confirming a BLUE player, because, barring any negative utility/color shenanigans that are in play already, RED players are scum players and BLUE players are town players.

That said, our color flip becomes less and less reliable as a scum-catcher as the game goes on and, if Cheetory's mod meta is to be believed, a blue result will always be a reliable town result.

What this means is that we want RED flips early and BLUE flips late.

The ideal result would be a RED reveal from this first color flip phase. I'd rather a chance at catching guaranteed scum rather than forcing myself to be an IC at D1.

[jjh927]

There is no ideal result from this phase. If we get a red result later on then we're still probably lynching it, aren't we?

[jjh927]

I think we should be using today's colour flip on a very null, very active slot, and just outright lynch the scummiest person rather than using the colour flip on them.

[Fro99er]

Varsoon isn't hard to read
He's one of the few slots I actually have an opinion about flipping today, and its a no from over here, try to flip scum Infinity not someone who'll just get NKed if town

How do you read Varsoon?

[Fro99er]

VOTE: varsoon

I'll take wallposting so soon as a request to be the town leader. But first, he needs to go through the security check.

Actually I dont just disagree imo this is just scummy

Explain how it's scummy. I'm not following.

[Varsoon]

There is no ideal result from this phase. If we get a red result later on then we're still probably lynching it, aren't we?

We win when we lynch all of the mafia. Red results early are more important. Getting a red result here is far more useful than getting a blue one.
I still think we should lynch red results throughout the game regardless, and I still think red results are more important than blue results, but blue are more likely to be true throughout the entire game.

[Fro99er]

@Varsoon

do you have any color flips in mind yet for today?

pedit: hi

[jjh927]

Hmm, no. If there's a really scummy looking slot, then we can just lynch it.

The null active people can turn out to be red too. But I'm not going to waste a colourflip on someone we should just lynch anyway.