Mini 1910: Railgun Mafia [Game Over]

[Fro99er]

Edos why did you vote Gerry?

[Wisdom]

He gave him a vest and gerry didnt receive it

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Frogger

Nice. I'm Mikoto Misaka know as the Ace of Tokiwadai. An Electromaster who worked her way up from a Level 1 Esper to the 3rd ranked Level 5, I carry arcade coins in my pocket all the time so that I can use my railgun ability. That makes me a Vigilante...however, I guess since I had to work my way up, I'm only a Novice Vigilante. I'm also a Mason, because me an my buddy Kuroko Shirai (XnadrojX) share a room in our Mason PT, Tokiwadai Dorms. XnadrojX also had a neighborhood called Judgment Branch 117 (I know who was in there, and one of them should be able to confirm the name)...he was supposed to call me Sissy at least once and make at least one sexual innuendo but he decided not to because he didn't want to please Alisae.

So, I'm a Mason Novice Vigilante, Aero holstered Night 2, I tried to shoot Gamma last night, but it didn't go through. Lynch Frogger for being a liar.

I paraphrased from both mine and Jordan's role PMs and our Masonry PT.

[Wisdom]

dont be hasty; i think youre both town

[PenguinPower]

.....

[Wisdom]

Ill let frog respond and then ill tell you what i think

[PenguinPower]

UNVOTE:

Ok.

[Wisdom]

For whoever doesnt know (i didnt), novice is a modifier

[Vedith]

I didn't realise.
For me though, the current clear list is Gerry, Edo and PP

So if Frogger can be cleared too, there's scum in Wisdom / cabd / Gamma.

Having scum in either Gamma / Wisdom makes sense for me.

Gamma disagrees and thinks that both are town purely because Math took over the spot.

I told Gamma that the reasons for Wisdom and Math in a group. This is what I think can be the scum motives

For Gamma scum
-Scum have day talk as said in the setup spec rules, so not for that exact reason
-Math can be given credibility on a Gamma flip
-Math manipulating Wisdom (or the agenda to do so)

For Wisdom scum
-Gamma's role has no further importance, and the hood was aware of his neighbour ability before the replace out (this could be argued for Wisdom, but Wisdom wasn't the one replaced out)
-Removes possibility of slipping in a PT with town (may be far fetched, but I'm keep that reasoning).
-Gives Math credibility of either a town Gamma or scum Wisdom flip

Other than that I'm not sure what other reasons Math would join a hood with a scum in.

Differences with Gamma and Wisdom concerning the thought of scum out of them two

Wisdom is arguing Gamma as scum, which means he doesn't believe that both neighbours are town. This just means a mis lynch on Gamma points directly to a Wisdom lynch. Possibly a gambit, but the risk out weighs the reward.
Gamma is pushing for a lynch outside of him and Gamma (mainly onto Edo unless his views have changed) which could be because he doesn't want to draw focus to a town Wisdom flip, where once again, would point towards him.

Before anyone asks me to explain how Gerry and Edo are both town with the BP situation - I have no idea, but Edo has a pro town role, and is claiming to confirm someone with a BP town. This stage of the game scum can't afford to have confirmed players with night immunity. This could have also been made plausible to indicate me as scum as well as town.

The reason I think Gerry is town is because of his push on Math over me and the fact that as people said, the Math wagon took a lot to lynch (Meaning it makes sense that scum weren't on the wagon).

Gamma seems to be AFK sitewide, so I'm still waiting for him to discuss further.

[Wisdom]

Other than that I'm not sure what other reasons Math would join a hood with a scum in.

Buddy me so they survive
Pocket me
Whatever you call it, thats the reason, and it succeded for a while

[Vedith]

Buddy me so they survive
Pocket me
Whatever you call it, thats the reason, and it succeded for a while

That falls under manipulating you. I've already considered that.

[Wisdom]

The major question nobody has asked is another:

Both gamma and cabd appear on torque's N1 list and therefore aren't the killers, what gives?

I have possible answers for the gerry thing and the masons thing, but not this one

[Vedith]

What night 1 list?

[Wisdom]

the global voyeur

[Wisdom]

namely, they are both confirmed to have acted on N1; gamma neighborized you and cabd blocked me

[Vedith]

Well, it clears them from night 1 kill, but nothing else.

That's where I saw Cabd being town locked (or how I read it) I guess.

[Wisdom]

Yeah but if it clears them from the n1 kill doesnt it mean they arent scum together? Who killed in that case?

[Vedith]

Yeah but if it clears them from the n1 kill doesnt it mean they arent scum together? Who killed in that case?

Well, other argument is cabd killed and you're scum together, but that seems too obvious.

I'm not really sure though. Unless the fishermen skill can be used same night?

[Fro99er]

God dammit penguin, I was trying to protect your identity. Lucky for you I can protect you anyway (as I already have...read on). If I was trying to fake claim and push you as scum and make this a 1v1, I would have done just that.

I'm Aiho Yomikawa a Limited Universal Backup. The flavor is, I'm a teacher who inspires kids to overcome their limits. The limited part is if one of my mentees becomes deceased I can take over their role as long as it's a non-esper role (I had to ask Alisae what that meant, but basically it's a role that isn't a magic power from what I understand).

Titus was the first death and she had a non-esper role. I'm a strong-willed doctor now, so I can't be blocked.

I no actioned N1 for obvious reasons, I didn't have a role. N2 I actually protected Penguin, so it's possible I stopped the kill instead of Torque being the kill target. I wanted to say it about a thousand times D2, but I also didn't want to out that I protected penguin because when it came down to just me and him claiming, I wanted to make scum guess. Because if they chose wrong, we'd have stopped a kill (and then scum went and mass roleblocked and they changed their mind to kill torque anyway, because I think they assumed they could pin the non-mason of me or Penguin as scum based off what everyone was saying yesterday).

I don't think it's gamma tho.

You think edos-scum gave torque a vest and they shot torque?

no, why would they shoot torque?

but then how do you explain the nokill?

Either they shot torque or gamma was blocked, is there another option?

yeah I don't think it's a no kill

i guess if Edos is scum i'm wrong on gamma

^^^Right there I knew there was another option if Edos is scum, and that's they gave torque a vest and shot Penguin instead. Notice I say "I guess if Edos is scum I'm wrong on gamma" yet I don't go pushing gamma anyway, because I think Gamma is town trying to link me and Torque together. I still think it could be Edos and Accountant, and Edos doesn't actually have a loyal modifier, but instead gave a vest to Torque and Accountant, knowing he couldn't *only* give to his scumbuddies because that would be suspicious. It would also fit with him having a twilight action, not a *night* action, so he's still free to make a kill night 1 per the rules (or maybe it even says so in his role PM). Accountant/Vedith could be a JOAT rolecop/strongman as I've talked about.

It's also possible I guess that Gamma is the third buddy to a scum!Edos, but I find it less likely given he tried to link together me and Torque, which was a pro-town move.


VOTE: Edos

[Fro99er]

UNVOTE:

I guess the other possibility is Gamma/Cabd

I don't get why Cabd would block Gamma though. Unless Gamma strong-manned. But why wouldn't scum strongman N2? I guess 2-shot or non-consecutive?

[Fro99er]

Wiat no Cabd blocked Gamma N2

[Fro99er]

Yeah but if it clears them from the n1 kill doesnt it mean they arent scum together? Who killed in that case?

Well, other argument is cabd killed and you're scum together, but that seems too obvious.

I'm not really sure though. Unless the fishermen skill can be used same night?

Yeah I guess it's Wisdom/Cabd then if it's not Edos and either you or gamma. But I think a scum!Wisdom would just push either me or Penguin here, and Wisdom gave me a chance to respond.

[Fro99er]

Or Edos and Cabd I guess is possible too

Basically it's {Edos, Cabd/Gamma/Vedith} or {Widsom, Cabd} as the two possible teams. I don't think it's the latter.

[Vedith]

That's my problem with scum Wisdom - He's limited his lynch pool by a lot today.

[Vedith]

However, Frogger... Why can't it be me / Edo if you think it's Edo?