Mini 1910: Railgun Mafia [Game Over]

[Fro99er]

I'm trying to picture an Edos team but i'm not sure.

Accountant+Edos+? (Math?)

[Fro99er]

If edos is scum it means the vests didnt stop the kill and thus gamma is also scum, with the last being accountant?

Oh here

[Fro99er]

I don't think it's gamma tho.

[Fro99er]

Dude, you have zero votes

[Fro99er]

I don't think it's gamma tho.

You think edos-scum gave torque a vest and they shot torque?

[Fro99er]

I don't think it's gamma tho.

You think edos-scum gave torque a vest and they shot torque?

no, why would they shoot torque?

[Fro99er]

yeah I don't think it's a no kill

i guess if Edos is scum i'm wrong on gamma

[Fro99er]

if we mislynch today and there's a kill tonight then tomorrow is mylo

(also, why do you not question the possibility of another no kill tonight, given how many protective roles we supposedly have?)

[Fro99er]

well, it's not necessarily mylo, because if we're at 8 and it's 5v3, then if we mislynch it's 4v3 but it's i guess possible we could still stop a kill. But we should think of it as mylo tomorrow if we are at 8 and no scum lynches.

[Fro99er]

The main question I want answered is whether you believe that the N1 killer is inside of the pool Wis established.

Most likely, but we can't rule out a role PM saying you may kill and use another action, as stated in the rules.

[Fro99er]

From all the actions i could maybe see math's used with a kill, the others not really

I'd agree with that.

[Fro99er]

I could see accountant being a JOAT (1-shot strongman, 1-shot rolecop) and using the strongman N1, the rolecop N2. Which would jive with then sending someone else to kill N2

[Fro99er]

although I don't know why you'd strongman N1 instead of rolecop N1 then strongman after that

[Fro99er]

I guess accountant could just be scum rolecop and not used rolecop D1 and regular killed D1.

[Fro99er]

Wisdom if Edos is scum, who do you think it's with?

He gave torque a vest, how is he scum lol

i already explained how it's possible. That's what wisdom and I discussed for a page or two.

[Fro99er]

VLA today...NASCAR

I didn't get a vest Edos

[Fro99er]

News News!

Urgent news! I repeat, this is urgent!
Due to some wierd phenomenon, Espurs in academy city and the like could not perform actions!
No one could find the cause, as Anti-Skill officers and Judgment officers are looking into the events.
We do not have a clear picture of what happened, but we do know that

it disrupted several abilities used last night.

More to come.

This implies it blocked night actions. Don't forget to PM the backup mod, though.

so Edos thinks based off the wording it blocks *night* actions, not twilight, and cabd confirms this is the case ("no it would not block vest")

Wisdom why would Gerry be town and not get the vest?

[Fro99er]

Its cabd and gamma

Why would scum!cabd block scum!gamma N2 when there's all these other town PRs floating around? Especially Cabd who has repeatedly pointed out that Alisae has said the setup is swingy?

[Fro99er]

Meh.

I think the mason (Frogger) should claim.

Frog should claim. It's getting to a point where I have 3 trs. And 4 ppl to lynch in for 2 or 3 maf.

We're gonna keep the mason hidden.

It's either me or penguin. Also, there's a reason we're not scumreading each other.

[Fro99er]

frog its time to claim

nah

we'll claim in mylo/lylo or make scum guess between us

talk to me about gamma/cabd and the point I raised.

[Fro99er]

And nope, youre claiming, if you wont then penguin already agreed to claim

where?

[Fro99er]

because I'm quite sure he hasn't

[Fro99er]

Ok cool yeah, I did forget.

I'm misaka mikoto, the mason. I have one other thing I don't want to claim, but I assume those of you with flavor knowledge will get it.

If you go through XnadrojX's ISO, you'll see it's pretty clear he crumbed with a bullshit townread of me for no reason. Because he didn't have to give a reason.

[Fro99er]

Edos why did you vote Gerry?

[Fro99er]

God dammit penguin, I was trying to protect your identity. Lucky for you I can protect you anyway (as I already have...read on). If I was trying to fake claim and push you as scum and make this a 1v1, I would have done just that.

I'm Aiho Yomikawa a Limited Universal Backup. The flavor is, I'm a teacher who inspires kids to overcome their limits. The limited part is if one of my mentees becomes deceased I can take over their role as long as it's a non-esper role (I had to ask Alisae what that meant, but basically it's a role that isn't a magic power from what I understand).

Titus was the first death and she had a non-esper role. I'm a strong-willed doctor now, so I can't be blocked.

I no actioned N1 for obvious reasons, I didn't have a role. N2 I actually protected Penguin, so it's possible I stopped the kill instead of Torque being the kill target. I wanted to say it about a thousand times D2, but I also didn't want to out that I protected penguin because when it came down to just me and him claiming, I wanted to make scum guess. Because if they chose wrong, we'd have stopped a kill (and then scum went and mass roleblocked and they changed their mind to kill torque anyway, because I think they assumed they could pin the non-mason of me or Penguin as scum based off what everyone was saying yesterday).

I don't think it's gamma tho.

You think edos-scum gave torque a vest and they shot torque?

no, why would they shoot torque?

but then how do you explain the nokill?

Either they shot torque or gamma was blocked, is there another option?

yeah I don't think it's a no kill

i guess if Edos is scum i'm wrong on gamma

^^^Right there I knew there was another option if Edos is scum, and that's they gave torque a vest and shot Penguin instead. Notice I say "I guess if Edos is scum I'm wrong on gamma" yet I don't go pushing gamma anyway, because I think Gamma is town trying to link me and Torque together. I still think it could be Edos and Accountant, and Edos doesn't actually have a loyal modifier, but instead gave a vest to Torque and Accountant, knowing he couldn't *only* give to his scumbuddies because that would be suspicious. It would also fit with him having a twilight action, not a *night* action, so he's still free to make a kill night 1 per the rules (or maybe it even says so in his role PM). Accountant/Vedith could be a JOAT rolecop/strongman as I've talked about.

It's also possible I guess that Gamma is the third buddy to a scum!Edos, but I find it less likely given he tried to link together me and Torque, which was a pro-town move.


VOTE: Edos

[Fro99er]

UNVOTE:

I guess the other possibility is Gamma/Cabd

I don't get why Cabd would block Gamma though. Unless Gamma strong-manned. But why wouldn't scum strongman N2? I guess 2-shot or non-consecutive?

[Fro99er]

Wiat no Cabd blocked Gamma N2

[Fro99er]

Yeah but if it clears them from the n1 kill doesnt it mean they arent scum together? Who killed in that case?

Well, other argument is cabd killed and you're scum together, but that seems too obvious.

I'm not really sure though. Unless the fishermen skill can be used same night?

Yeah I guess it's Wisdom/Cabd then if it's not Edos and either you or gamma. But I think a scum!Wisdom would just push either me or Penguin here, and Wisdom gave me a chance to respond.

[Fro99er]

Or Edos and Cabd I guess is possible too

Basically it's {Edos, Cabd/Gamma/Vedith} or {Widsom, Cabd} as the two possible teams. I don't think it's the latter.

[Fro99er]

I just said it can be you Edos

[Fro99er]

I'll wait for Cabd/Gamma/Edos to respond

[Fro99er]

and Wisdom

[Fro99er]

Also Vedith, keep that avi always plz

[Fro99er]

Wisdom -- let me walk you through this. You agree scum has to be in {me, penguin, you, vedith/accountant, Edos} solely based off Torque's report, yes?

[Fro99er]

Ok

so we know it's not Penguin. You know it's not you, and I know it's not me. I don't know it's not you, but I don't think scum!you gives me the light of day when Penguin CC's me.

That leaves Edos and Vedith. Now let me point something else out...

[Fro99er]

Players may not use factional and individual actions simultaneously unless their role PM says otherwise

The key word here is simultaneously.

We know Edos' vest giving action happens in twilight. That is not simultaneous with actual night. I think there's a reason Alisae worded it like that (or at least left room for there to be "otherwise" in the role PM).

Edos gives his buddy (Accountant/Vedith) a vest N1. He realizes he can't just keep giving vests to his scumbuddies, so he gives a vest to Torque.

Edos being a scum BP vest giver makes sense with a vig as well. It gives scum protection when all there is so far is town protection.

Why do they attempt to kill Aero/penguin N2? I guess because they picked up on XnadrojX's bullshit townread of Aero (see XnadrojX's first post ... conveniently he also had a bullshit townread of me, which made it even better for me to fake as the other mason).

[Fro99er]

How about this

Math did the (non-unblockable) kill on n1 and used no other action
Gamma did the N2 kill
Cabd used a day action in D3 and used the unblockable kill on N3

Also possible I guess, but that would require math to use two actions, as you've stated.

[Fro99er]

Math actually had a 1shot protection from everything including kills, bit youre right that the vig makes the scum bp vendor more plausible

which is why they didn't give the vest to math

[Fro99er]

So, I'm a Mason Novice Vigilante, Aero holstered Night 2, I tried to shoot Gamma last night, but it didn't go through.

Do you need to re-holster, because if not I think we can break this if you can vig tonight (assuming no mass roleblock again). Since we saved a kill with a protection, we can afford to waste a kill with a vig shot if we miss tonight.

[Fro99er]

I cant shake the thought that cabd's action doesnt make sense as town but makes perfect sense if he is the unblockable killer

Does edos/cabd work?

yeah, that's one of my edo combos

[Fro99er]

Ok

so if we lynch Edos and he flips scum, you shoot in {cabd/vedith} because those are the two most likely (gamma is plausible, but I think least likely).

If you get blocked, we turbolynch Cabd. If your kill goes through and we miss, we lynch the other.


If edos flips town, you vig me. If that gets blocked, that means Cabd is scum with me, or scum are trying to set me up. Either way Cabd is confscum then, but we should lynch me tomorrow to confirm whether Cabd and I are buddies or not to the rest of you guys (I assure you I'm flipping town). If the vig goes through, I'll obviously flip town then it's up to you guys to lynch scum. If Edos flips town then Vedith is cleared, Gerry is almost surely town because of math, and Wisdom is likely town, so it's Gamma/Cabd.

[Fro99er]

Also do you think the "if i target scum they dont get the vest" mechanic is made up? Edos was consistent with it from the beginning with trying to see who received the vest and whatnot

Who knows. It could be in a fake claim.

[Fro99er]

so if we lynch Edos and he flips scum, you shoot in {cabd/vedith} because those are the two most likely (gamma is plausible, but I think least likely).

I have a BP vest.

right...so then if Edos flips scum we shoot Cabd and if Cabd flips town we lynch you.

[Fro99er]

cant we lynch cabd instead? Edos just hasnt felt scum at any point

Yeah I am down with a Cabd lynch...I just need to figure out if we can use that to break the game as well. The good thing about lynching Cabd is we guarantee the vig shot goes off since Gerry is odd-night JK

[Fro99er]

Hmm, but yeah if we lynch Cabd and it's Edos/VEdith or Edos/Gamma, then we have to vig Edos I guess since the others have protection (or will have protection in the case of Edos/Gamma)

Even if it's Edos/Cabd and we lynch Cabd we should probably vig Edos? Could vig me too, but if it's Edos/Cabd Edos could just vest me to frame me.

I guess if we lynch Cabd and he flips scum, Penguin should hide his vig target.

[Fro99er]

Oh, also, frogger

Torque died, meaning he didnt have his vest anymore, confirming he was shot n2

not if there was a strongman

[Fro99er]

@Mod, would a ypothetical strongman kill go through both a hypothetical roleblock and a BP vest?

[Fro99er]

Wisdom if Cabd is scum, then wouldn't the roleblock stop the kill?

That means there's a strongman kill unless only single protection (a block and a vest) stops a strongman kill. But I'm pretty sure strongman can go through both a block and a vest, but I guess it's up to the mod?

[Fro99er]

Ah ok that makes sense. Maybe they did try to kill torque N2.

[Fro99er]

So if we lynch Cabd, Penguin should vig Edos regardless of Cabd's flip, yes?

[Fro99er]

I'll look it up, but yeah that would make perfect sense.

[Fro99er]

If the kill is only unblockable, then if Edos really is town he should give me a vest so that I can protect Penguin for at least 2 more nights.

[Fro99er]

Because i'm the de-facto kill target tonight by scum.

[Fro99er]

Btw, if gerry jails you, wont that protect you without blocking you?

Gerry is odd night. Tonight is even night.

But yes, that could work N5 if we get there.

[Fro99er]

Bingo

Although penguin can't shoot in me/vedith because we'll be protected

[Fro99er]

It's possible for vedith slot to be maf, but I still have a weak tr there

if Edos is town and you're sure of it, then there should be no way Vedith can be mafia in your view.

[Fro99er]

I figured out what happened.

I actually did get the PM at the start of N1 saying I'm strong-willed doctor, but I didn't check my PMs until the start of D2 because I was V/LA (I'm V/LA every weekend since I work weekends for NASCAR stuff) so I thought I got it for the start of D2. So I technically no actioned N1.

[Fro99er]

We really need to stick with the plan of lynching Cabd.

VOTE: Cabd

[Fro99er]

forced

[Fro99er]

That sounds totally believable. I see why Wisdom thinks you're town. /S

I'm V/LA every fucking weekend. Go look up the fucking dates and times of D1/N1/D2 timeline and my posting timeline.

But it's ok, you've scumclaimed with that fake af tone.

[Fro99er]

sorry frog, that sounds like bs

VOTE: frogger

cabd is still scum though

It's not BS dude. I wasn't fucking here.

[Fro99er]

VOTE: cabd

Lets stick to this and vig frog instead

Gets rid of blocks

this

vig me. When I flip town lynch Edos

[Fro99er]

But the timestamp of your PM was.

I didn't open my pm until after D2 started, so I thought it was PM that came with daystart. I didn't look at the timestamp.

[Fro99er]

thats convenient though

You couldnt claim you used an action n1 because torque didnt see it

THEN FUCKING LYNCH ME AND VIG EDOS

[Fro99er]

all of like 3 or 4 from my phone. you'll even see they say "vc" and I didn't even update the vc.

[Fro99er]

You'll get roleblocked by Cabd because they are sucm and I am town.

[Fro99er]

Well if we lynch Cabd, you can vig me with no block

[Fro99er]

It's an even night too, so if Gerry was somehow scum (he's not) he can't jailkeep you

[Fro99er]

So:
a.) We lynch Cabd, he flips town, I vig Frogger.
b.) We lynch Cabd, he flips scum, I vig ????

Fro99er

c.) We lynch Frogger, he flips scum, I vig????

Edos but you'll get blocked by Edos/Cabd scum team

d.) We lynch Frogger, he flips town, I don't get to vig.

I like a.) right now.

a is stupid because it's nonexistent. Cabd is not flipping town.

[Fro99er]

Yes

[Fro99er]

if I have a vest, then Edos would have given it to me

[Fro99er]

so Edos and I would have to be same faction. He can't be town giving me a vest if I'm scum

If he's scum, he wouldn't give town!me a vest here.

[Fro99er]

the problem would be if Edos gives me a vest at twilight since he and Cabd are scum

[Fro99er]

Your Role PM could have given you a vest. I didn't say I thought it came from Edos.

Vedith can rolecop me to prove me right

[Fro99er]

Then vote me

[Fro99er]

when I flip town you're getting roleblocked, scum is killing vedith so they can't prove that Edos is not actually loyal, but just a BP vest giver.

[Fro99er]

well, I guess they can't kill vedith unless vedith was the N2 shot since vedith has a vest.

[Fro99er]

Well it could be Cabd gamma I guess. Edos/Cabd we'd confscum them because Cabd would block you and Vedith can rolecop Edos to prove if he's loyal or not. If he is loyal then it's Cabd/Gamma and GG

We've got this won, so i'm fine lynching me

[Fro99er]

Penguin do you really thing scum!me fake claims Mason there, knowing you'd CC me?

[Fro99er]

then fucking lynch me jesus fuck i'm sick of this shit

VOTE: Frog

I'm fucking town. Seriously.

[Fro99er]

we have this game won anyway so just fucking lynch me, vig Cabd and when you get blocked lynch them. Then wait on Vedith's result on Edos.

[Fro99er]

that's fine too. Either way Vedith gets a result on Edos

[Fro99er]

i'm just gonna leave it here until people decide what the fuck to do

[Fro99er]

VOTE: Cabd

[Fro99er]

Make Edos and gamma choose

[Fro99er]

The Level Upper Network {Multi_Skill_Defense();} (1-shot Modified Ascetic)

Also penguin, this confirms there's no scum BP, because math was essentially a 1-shot BP, so I don't have a vest unless Edos gives me one tonight (he shouldn't)

[Fro99er]

we can afford a missed vig shot because we stopped a kill earlier, so i'm fine being vigged.

[Fro99er]

Edos get in here and talk about this

[Fro99er]

^^^worst idea of them all. We need to confirm Cabd sooner than later. Remember, when I flip town scum will still be able to block and kill.

[Fro99er]

If we lynch Cabd, there's no way scum can block the vig shot unless Edos is scum.

[Fro99er]

how about we lynch you and then i block cabd? and then we vig gamma. win/win.

now all votes on frog

you're odd-night

if you're not actually odd-night, then who did you jail N2?

[Fro99er]

it was a trick to get ppl to vote you.

fooled everyone

[Fro99er]

Gerry the game's already solved

It's Cabd/Edos or Cabd/Gamma. We lynch Cabd today and vig me tonight anyway since I can't block. Vedith can confirm Edos' role and then you guys lynch either Edos or gamma after I'm dead, depending on Vedith's result

[Fro99er]

Edos come vote Cabd so we can end this day

[Fro99er]

we already discussed these

[Fro99er]

gamma just vote cabd so we can move on. We have the game won

[Fro99er]

It's either you/cabd or edos/cabd

[Fro99er]

happy scum day Penguin

[Fro99er]

So it's you and Cabd? Got it

[Fro99er]

What are we at vote wise?

Cabd is at L-2 I'm at L-3

[Fro99er]

WTF gamma

[Fro99er]

Gamma you're being far too obvious right now

[Fro99er]

Did no one actually think anything of Gerry slipping out of his claim?

Did you not read like 4 posts later where he said he was joking

[Fro99er]

@Cabd: what did your role become after your day action?

I become "weak" both in the traditional sense and that any visit from scum kills me regardless of the actual role. But it doesn't matter because ya'll are blockheads and are gonna lynch me today anyways. It's 100% frog and one more. And as for that who the hell even knows any more. Guess I get to hope ya'll make the right decision. Think the game is unlosable at this point even if you do mislynch me unless there's 4 scum anyways.

bye scum

Cabd doesn't actually want to give me a partner because Cabd knows that'll just give info away.

[Fro99er]

how about we lynch you and then i block cabd? and then we vig gamma. win/win.

now all votes on frog

how about we lynch you and then i block cabd? and then we vig gamma. win/win.

now all votes on frog

lol wait

I thought you were odd night? How are you gonna block?

shhh

how about we lynch you and then i block cabd? and then we vig gamma. win/win.

now all votes on frog

you're odd-night

if you're not actually odd-night, then who did you jail N2?

it was a trick to get ppl to vote you.

Gamma with the selective reading trying to save Cabd

[Fro99er]

Gamma just vote Cabd or me already

[Fro99er]

There are no other viable lynches today. It's cabd or me, period.

[Fro99er]

then vote me

[Fro99er]

should I be doc'ing edos or penguin?

We had said penguin earlier, gary says Edos now

[Fro99er]

@Edos did you get your vest off in time?

[Fro99er]

V/LA until Monday...NASCAR

[Fro99er]

Guys. I honestly don't think it's fair for me to replace out and I have zero chance of wining this.

I'm scum.

I had fun. It was a great game and we lost and you all played great. Town and scum alike.

And before you get mad at me for just giving up, I got some really bad news today and I don't rally feel like playing this out OR subjecting you all to a replacement.

[Fro99er]

I really enjoyed the game

You all played great on both sides but it's not fair for me to replace out

[Fro99er]

I'll talk about this in private with anyone but believe me this has ZERO to do with not being able to win this game

[Fro99er]

Sorry everyone. Anticlimactic

I had fun but it's not fair to replace out now

[Fro99er]

I'm honestly proud of how scum played

Town also played awesome

Would enjoy playing with everyone on this playerlist again

[Fro99er]

No objections to releasing the scum PT from me.

100% totally fine

[Fro99er]

SIIIIIIIIIB

I WUB U <3

Also I LOVE TORQUE TOO OMG I WUB HIM A LOT <3 <3 <3

You have no idea how much I legit adore Torque

I want torque to play here on MS forever

[Fro99er]

YEAH I TRIED REALLY HARD ON FLAVOUR I SPENT HOURS WORKING ON IT

ALSO
I WANT TO MOD MORE THINGS

I am trying to redeem my mistakes for Railgun
So I'm designing a 21p bastard themed game of "Alisae splashes things in from Anime, Video Games, Books, TV shows, Scummers, and RL stuff"
I also wanna do another mini, but I dunno what source material to base it off. Little Witch Academia maybe? /me shrug

I'm also gonna do a Pokémon uPick large theme sometime soon and I like modding uPicks in general so I'll be doing plenty of those :3


PEDIT: OKAY!
I CAN DO THAT WIS!
Though that might not till be later in the year because tbh, if I'm going to do that I kinda want to refresh myself of the light novels WHICH ARE REALLY GOOD PEOPLE SHOULD READ THEM.

I legit cried when I saw the flavor.

I thought it was a promotion of me. I wanted to real claim flavor soooo hard.

A computer programmer who went insane *smiles* and is butch

*dies*

I was never meant to be feminine

I love ya math <3

[Fro99er]

Oh this is over.
Thank God.

Okay I will release PTs now and stuff or Jae will or something.

tl;dr this setup is shit thanks for playing






Okay serious note, I wanted to try to focus a bit on the flavour which I did!

There are a few flaws in this which I learned from.
A. This is what happens when you make a setup based on nightplay rather then dayplay.
B. This is what happens when scum cannot preform the factional kill and other abilities in a role madness game
C. This is what happens when you horribly design a bulletproof inventor to try to make vig shots do less damage to the town.
D. This is what happens when you create 3 unblockable protectives (one day action, one strong-willed, and one ascetic)
E. This is what happens when you don't strongman the bulletproof role cop


ALSO I MAY HAVE FUCKED UP WITH THE GLOBAL VOYEUR NOW. I DON'T THINK GARRYBOTE'S ACTION SHOULD HAVE SHOWED UP.
FUCK
MY
LIFE

Also my fake claim was a scum claim so there's that...



I did the best I could with making up a fake claim but my actual actions were actions town already had so that doesn't jive so well with a mass voyeur

[Fro99er]

(FWIW my fake claim would confirm Vedith and Gerry as town)

[Fro99er]

The bothersome part is we played perfect outside of unknown night actions, but that's not how a game should be played.

It's a loss but I honestly believe the scum team played really well and this game was just a game designed for scum to lose.


Not a knock on the mod. It just happens

[Fro99er]

Lol at hikari thinking scum didn't play well and all the made up bullshit he said about me in the dead thread

[Fro99er]

Also lpl at Alisae that Gerry was mislynchable. Not after he was Math's counterwagon and with ththe way Math and Gerry interacts

[Fro99er]

Also from our perspective we thought Vedith was mislynchable at the time. We didn't know the BP vest giver was loyal at the time, confirming everyone as town as it went.

[Fro99er]

That's not very nice!

<3

[Fro99er]

Also from our perspective we thought Vedith was mislynchable at the time. We didn't know the BP vest giver was loyal at the time, confirming everyone as town as it went.

The problem here isn't that you thought he was mislynchable, it was you weren't getting the most out of your 1-shot strongman based on the information you had.

Does that make sense?

I guess, but if we could have just lynched Vedith as we thought, it wouldn't have really mattered.

[Fro99er]

No way I was being lynched after day 2 lol

Exactly

[Fro99er]

it's okay!

I actually enjoyed the game, even though we had no shot. I'm pretty happy we got as far as we did and town even talked about not lynching me Day 4 (although with the vig obv I was dead anyway...had I known Vedith was gonna rolecop Gerry I owuldnt' have wasted my J/K on that, but just killed someone instead)

[Fro99er]

or day 5 or whatever it was

like honestly, had I killed Edos instead of jailing Vedith the last night phase we played, then town decided to lynch wisdom, I could have jailed PP and prevented him from vigging. Then I could at least attempt to frame Gerry in lylo as not getting a vest from Edos and jailing PP or something.

[Fro99er]

but that was literally my only avenue to escape and it was slim anyway and it didn't happen because I jailed Vedith

[Fro99er]

or day 5 or whatever it was