Newbie 1795 | Summer | Endgame

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

What did you like about his post?

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Guess we're having another replacement...

Blackvoid I get the feeling you're avoiding this game.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Honestly, I don't have an awesome case. I really just thought it was Papa Zito. I have a really hard time seeing your play from a scum perspective and your motivations have been really transparent. Cece is more a POE read for me.

One thing you should keep in mind though is that Not_Mafia very likely would have given his partner a heads up about his gambit so they'd probably be preparing to bus him. It's true that Cece made a strong push and Cero made a weak one. But keep in mind how early in the game it was. Do you think it's reasonable to have such a strong townread on Not_Mafia? Cero was just throwing stuff around, making pushes. Cece's post feels to me like an informed perspective of the game. It's easy to make harder pushes on your partners because you already know that they are scum and tend to notice things that town miss. I also think that in this scenario, scum are more likely to bus so you should be looking at who pushed Not_Mafia unrealistically hard as opposed to who was throwing stuff out.

I'm going to try and think this over but Papa Zito flipping town just blew me away. He was just oozing scum all over the place it wasn't even funny. I really thought he was it and now I need to find the energy to gamesolve all over again.

It's been 8 days since you needed to find energy to gamesolve...

[BlackVoid]

Not avoiding the game. Just been incredibly busy with work.

[PenguinPower]

Searching for a replacement for DoubloonSeven

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

I'll post more when I get back from work tonight.

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Welcome DoubloonSeven. Looking forward to hearing your perspective on the game.

prod-dodge

I have some free time now so I'll go over the game again. I actually liked Doubloon7's post so I'm having more food for thought at this point.

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So yeah. I'm going to have to disagree.

[BlackVoid]

Well, it's true. I haven't had time. I only today found time to start catching up in both my games. Would you prefer I replace out?

And it's also true that I don't have a great case on Cece and I didn't find DB7's post all that scummy. I only think the slot is POE scum because I have a tough time seeing you as scum. Unfortunately for you, it seems I didn't show why I'm town clearly enough so you set on me.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

You promised more content on 2 occasions though. And didn't follow through both times. I think I've seen enough replacements as it is, I just want to hear your thoughts. And your answer to this question.

I'm not sure why you're not trying to convince me it's Cece or whoever is taking the slot right now. Saying "oh shit it wasn't Zito, so it has to be Cece" isn't really convincing you know.

[BlackVoid]

I don't know what else to tell you then. Vote me if you think it's me. Either you are scum and I've been wrong all along or we lose anyways.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Crazy idea: do something

[PenguinPower]

RadiantCowbells replaces DoubloonSeven

[PenguinPower]

Vote Count 4.02

Not Voting

(3): RadiantCowbells, BlackVoid, Arnold Schwarzenegger

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-06-24 18:30:00)

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm town.

Catching up.

[RadiantCowbells]

So N_M claimed bulletproof to try for autowin then had their teammate bus when it didn't pan out.

[RadiantCowbells]

That was easy.jpeg

[RadiantCowbells]

So I'm reasonably close to ready to vote Blackvoid here.

1) There was absolutely no indication in Arnold's reaction to the BP claim that they knew it was fake. it felt like he believed and autotownread N_M for the claim. Was in no rush to vote after CC.
2) Conversely, Cero did some weird shit wrt the vote. He buried it in a 4 line contradictory paragraph and at the same time threw discredits at other people.
3) N_M's random ass bulletproof claim feels planned. That makes me think he told his partner to vote him so that he could claim BP. BP is confirmed to exist: N_M wasn't trying to sneak the claim through. He was just trying to discover the setup. I don't think there's a significant chance whatsoever that he does that randomly and I feel like it's way more likely that he was trying to give towncred to his buddy.
4) Cero, with his vote down on not_Mafia, just like sorta disappears from thread. That feels very scumbuddy reaction; I don't think he knew what to do faced with the bus situation and so he sorta just checked out of the thread and came back the next day. I don't see why town has literally nothing to say there, and I've seen scum check out when their partners are getting wagoned, bus or otherwise, many times especially coming from newbies. See this game, where Nydus checks out when their replaced partner gets trapped.
5) Blackvoid's 'woe is me I mislynched the assistant to the regional sitechat moderator' routine is played up and I've seen that coming from scum so, so many times.
Like I've seen it from town at least once but it comes from town far more often.
6) Arnold's play on the future days feels sorta real. Like I've been in that situation before and went through the same motions and I feel like something would be off or different if scum.
7) Arnold like could have motivation as scum to start pushing Blackvoid if he was wanting to get the replacement on his side. But non-toxic D7 towntold like hell in their last post and I would have jumped ship at pretty much the same point too. Like it's a switch that I would have done as scum but that I don't think Arnold would have done as scum.

There are a few things I dislike in Arnold's slot but they don't approach how much I dislike Blackvoid's slot

[RadiantCowbells]

And hey I just want to go ahead and point something out.

So N_M claimed bulletproof to try for autowin then had their teammate bus when it didn't pan out.

I hadn't really read the flips and didn't realize it was Doc/Cop at this point. I had assumed that N_M claimed BP to try to be sneaky and grab muchos towncredos on the chance that he wasn't CCed, because his actual play makes so much less sense than claiming BP in goon/goon. If I had gotten a roleblocker role PM I would have known that. Is it possible that I faked that towntell? Sure, but I didn't. Am town. give many towncreds.

[RadiantCowbells]

Blackvoid, ball is in your court if you want me to to change my read on you because if you don't do something massive then I will be voting you soon.

[BlackVoid]

Okay, this is throwing me for a loop because that post was town as hell. I've been getting weird vibes from Arnold for a while now and my gut's been telling me it was him but that post just seals it.

VOTE: Arnold Schwarzenneger

(and no, not for governor).

This is not a joke - I thought I was going to have some free time but my boss just called asking if I could cover a shift for someone and I said I would. Seriously considering quitting mafia since my work schedule clearly doesn't allow for it.

@RC, if you are town, I fully expect you to solve this game on your own. You figured out NotFury was scum D1 in mhsmith's game and there's no reason you shouldn't be able to solve this one. Heading off to work now.

[RadiantCowbells]

no hammer

[BlackVoid]

Glad I was right. I'll have more to post when I return in about 8 hours.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

VOTE: blackvoid

I knew it.

RC if you need anything else from me I'd like to hear it. This should be obvious.

[RadiantCowbells]

Now I'm going to ask you a bunch of questions and I want them answered immediately.

Who is your daddy and what does he do.

[RadiantCowbells]

If Blackvoid doesn't do something major I don't need anything from you because I'm hammering him as of how it stands right now.

If he towns things up to a huge extent then I'll start asking for things but I don't really know what to ask.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Cool. Good luck with that. I've been trying to get content out of him for days bit apparently that gave him weird vibes. He also keeps refusing to answer a simple question