OPEN 687: JUNGLE OLIGARCHY (GAME OVER)

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1825 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:37 pm

I think that my being town is self evident.

Vedith · Post Post #1826 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:38 pm

Like fuck is it.

It's just so convenient that you try to call kmd town too.

havingfitz · Post Post #1827 (ISO) » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:52 pm

In post 1700, RadiantCowbells wrote:okay I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the remaining town is NOT in btd6/vedith/fitz/dunnstral

Your limb broke.

Realeo · Post Post #1828 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:02 am

In post 1827, havingfitz wrote:
In post 1700, RadiantCowbells wrote:okay I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the remaining town is NOT in btd6/vedith/fitz/dunnstral
Your limb broke.

That is anti climatic.

Is there nothing to say, fitz?

havingfitz · Post Post #1829 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:08 am

In post 1752, RadiantCowbells wrote:I think that the werewolves are Dunnstral and Fitz.

WTF? How are you coming to this concoction?

havingfitz · Post Post #1830 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:09 am

In post 1828, Realeo wrote:That is anti climatic.

Is there nothing to say, fitz?

What would have been climatic? I'm mid catchup on a shitload of posts overnight. I'll opine when I'm done. If you gave questions I'm here.

Kmd4390 · Post Post #1831 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:18 am

Holy shit, not reading all that between double shifts.

V/LA until saturdayish

Realeo · Post Post #1832 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:22 am

In post 1817, Vedith wrote:Real is town
Comm is town
I'm town

Leaving Fitz as Mafia by PoE

I forgot to clarify this.

Why Comm > Fitz? PoE suggesting you townreading him, but why?

Vedith · Post Post #1833 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:27 am

In post 1832, Realeo wrote:I forgot to clarify this.

Why Comm > Fitz? PoE suggesting you townreading him, but why?

Well, for a start reading Gamma had him as town. Can't be WW because RC and kmd are, and can't be Mafia because Dunn actually tried to push Gamma as scum for his out. And I don't see scum pushing RC there.

Realeo · Post Post #1834 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:34 am

Eh, Fitz replaced Gamma, not Comm. You're supposed to townread Comm then?

Realeo · Post Post #1835 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:35 am

*Fitz then?

Vedith · Post Post #1836 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:36 am

Wait, Fitz is Gamma?
Then okay Comm is scum and Fitz is town.

havingfitz · Post Post #1837 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:08 am

I hadn't tried to figure out mafia or WWs specifically other than eliminating kmd as mafia...which would point towards a mafia alignment for Dunnstral. And his play yesterday was most def not from town.

I'm leaning town on Vedith and Realeo. So I'd vote most anyone else though apparently it's better if we hit mafia.

WWs - kmd + ?
Mafia - Dunnstral, ?, ?
? - BTD, RC, Comm
Town - havingfitz, Realeo, Vedith

VOTE: Dunnstral

I'd vote BTD but vote is on Dunn atm as he is stronger scum read.

Realeo · Post Post #1838 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:18 am

WAIT. WAIT. WAIT.

EVERYONE STOPS.

Ok.

So let me drop the act. RC, I know you are werewolf, ok?

But here's the issue.

It is true that the correct move is to lynch BTD. That is the correct action be assured that we town would support it.

However, what's your plan for N4? You missed your chance to kill Flubber.

Now let me tell you something. The kill list would be probably {Realeo,kmd,???} with ??? is not Flubber.

If ??? is your partner (which I can tell you, they haven't figured it out),

do not try werewolf kill townie gambit

. Why? Becuase at that point, the game is reversed and town must lynch werewolf.

Now here's the catch. You have three townreads. 1st is me, you're right--I'm town. 2nd is kmd, you're right--kmd is town. 3rd is someone you keep it for yourself which is ###.

Now here's the point. You are wrong. ### is not town.

If the kill list is {Realeo,kmd,###}, kill ###. The next step for werewolf to win after killing ### is to kill me, but unfortunately you can't reverse it (kill me first then ###) due to the consequence of werewolf kill townie gambit.

I'm doing this because the only way town to win is if werewolf has chance to win. Let us change this social deduction game into chess, ok?

(Note: Obviously both of us know who is ### and ???)

If you are town, simply ignore this.

Realeo · Post Post #1839 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:19 am

In post 1837, havingfitz wrote:eliminating kmd as mafia...which would point towards a mafia alignment for Dunnstral

What? How is that possible?

havingfitz · Post Post #1840 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:23 am

In post 1839, Realeo wrote:
In post 1837, havingfitz wrote:eliminating kmd as mafia...which would point towards a mafia alignment for Dunnstral
What? How is that possible?

Why is it not pissible?

I'm basing this on his D1 vote on kmd. I don't think WWs would take that chance. I'm confident kmd isn't mafia so that points to Dunn being mafia.

havingfitz · Post Post #1841 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:24 am

Pissible?

Ebwop....POSSIBLE

Bins · Post Post #1842 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:58 am

In post 1818, Realeo wrote:
@Bins: What happens in a 3 mafia vs 3 werewolf?

There aren't 3 WWs.

Bins · Post Post #1843 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:00 am

Votecount 4.1

(1)
Dunnstral
- havingfitz

(0)
CommKnight

(0)
Realeo

(0)
Vedith

(1)
RadiantCowbells
- CommKnight

(0)
kmd4390

(3)
BTD6_maker
- Realeo, RadiantCowbells, Vedith

(0)
havingfitz

(3)
Not Voting
- kmd4390, BTD6_maker, Dunnstral

With
8
alive, it's
5
to lynch.
Deadline in
(expired on 2017-07-05 23:00:00)
(July 5^th).

Mod Notes:

havingfitz · Post Post #1844 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:37 am

In post 1838, Realeo wrote:So let me drop the act. RC, I know you are werewolf, ok?

Can you explain this?

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1845 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:51 am

Just because the mafia claims to think that I'm werewolf doesn't make me werewolf.

Just stop.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1846 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:21 am

Like I understand what you're saying but we don't encourage werewolves to shoot tonight, period. fullstop. I guarantee you at least one wolfy thinks that I'm mafia because my username makes me obligatory scum.

Don't start telling the wolves that we will let them shoot because they will shoot me to get me out of the way or shoot you and try to pin it on me.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1847 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:25 am

If you're coming up to that line of reasoning that means you're going to catch up to where I am now.

We force Werewolves not to shoot when we're not lynching them the previous day under threat of kingsmaking to mafia.
We leash Mafia's shot pool when we're not lynching them the previous day under threat of kingsmaking to mafia.

Both scum factions have the potential to win if town mislynches so you give both scum factions a choice between a 0% winrate and a legitimate, fair chance to win by attempting to fool town.

This is how we win this game from this point onward. We take turns bullying scumteams. No one benefits from trying to screw town because we'll give the win to the opposition.

Everyone has a fair chance to win without trying to screw town.

havingfitz · Post Post #1848 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:32 am

In post 1847, RadiantCowbells wrote:Everyone has a fair chance to win without trying to screw town.

Any win by mafia or WWs sounds like it screws town to me. What are you going on about?

And if you were town why would you care whether non-town had a fair chance to win?

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1849 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:36 am

If either faction was completely unable to win by going along with my plan then they would simply not do it and try to break down town as best as possible.

Both scumteams are able to win by going along with the plan and we're not going to let them win if they don't: so everyone is motivated to toe the line.