Night and Day Mafia (Game Over)

[Vedith]

Don't know why it stopped, but it's today's lynch

That's cute.

[MathBlade]

That is why she is Town Ginngie she ISN'T trying to force her will on others she is laying her cards on the table and saying these are my thoughts. In 1900 nancy did exactly the same thing when she believed she was going to die in 1900. The biggest champion of the nancy wagon was me and the only argument I see for a wagon is "wagon stalled" or "not doing enough".

That fits 3/4ths of the game and is lazy as fuck. Aronis wagon although I think that is wrong too at least has a few people stating why.

I feel much better about the Aronis wagon than the nancy one.

[MathBlade]

Tonight after work I am going to look in depth at the Texcat case not enough time tonight but I am tempted to just sheep because Alisae and nancy.

[Bulbazak]

I have no idea how Snarky is townreading TB but I'm going to withhold judgement until he explains it and does more things. I liked enough Zeus so.

I have a guess at what he's doing, but I'm keeping it to myself for the time being. I still think he's town, though, and the vote doesn't really change that.

Bulba if you're unimpressed with the meat of my posting so far what prompted you to move your vote off me? What's your read on me currently?

I was unimpressed by your catch up after your V/LA. I've actually been liking your interactions with Math and myself, and that's given me the first doubts about you being scum. I need to check on a few things, but jury's still out on your alignment.

Has anyone even tried to sort Texcat?
Because that's scum, and if no one has even tried to sort it and that's probably MORE points to it being scum. Scum that's just there should just continue to be "just there." It should be brought out into broad daylight and pressured and lynched.

gnite, hope to see more Texcat votes when I wake up.

I checked back over the Snarky entrance to the game after I talked to CE in the neighborhood (That's what I was checking out.). I thought Tex might have voted, but I was wrong. If he had, then it would have been a no-brain vote for me. Otherwise, it's a little murkier. I'm surprised that hardly no one jumped on Snarky. That actually concerns me a bit.

Bulb gave me gutpings at first, so I'ma read his iso in the main thread and see what's up with that.

He confuses me tonally. I can't tell if he's actually completely disinterested in the game or if that's just how he talks or if he's just scum. I really don't think I'm going to be able to sort this slot in this dayphase. Meta will probably help.

I'd point you to my wiki, but it has not been updated in quite awhile. I think you might have read my most recent scumgame, Hunger Games II. I'm in a hydra, but I'm the main one posting, so you should still get a general idea of my play. I think my most recent town game is The First Mafia. Maybe Mafiaception, if you want to go back a step more.

[Bulbazak]

CE, you asked earlier about my case on you, here it is:

I heavily disliked your first post in the Dark PT. I've played with Ari before, and I remember him being a meticulous and logical player. So I really don't buy that he somehow missed the number of scum in either the game OP or the sign up OP. That read as fake to me, and it looked very much like a false townslip. #313 reads as fake for the same reason. You don't ask how many scum there are and answer yourself in the same post. That fake casual crap doesn't come naturally. I've already discussed #314. That really looked like scum who panicked at being hard pushed. The "Why aren't we voting anyone?" bit looks especially faked. In #419 you say the Dark PT is boring, but you then say you hadn't read it yet. Those two thoughts don't gel. It's similar to my problems with your catch up posts, both in here and the PT. You seemed to be going through the motions, often asking questions that either stood out for their ridiculousness, or that were either answered prior to the post you quoted or directly after. There was no thought for context or why certain actions were being taken, just mindless posting. It looked very much like busy work to me, and there is a strong contrast between those posts and everything you've posted since then. Finally, it's really bothering me that Ari has turned out to be so much of a non-entity. It's reminding me a lot of what Eddie did in our hydra during Hunger Games II, where he hid and let me do all the talking.

So you're a scum lean at the moment, for me. I forgot how much was really behind that read, and I don't see how it's impossible for you to have used your V/LA as time to recalibrate and try to talk your way out of the scumread, instead of just giving up, like it looked like you had initially done.

[Bulbazak]

@Gin: If CE is today's lynch, why aren't you voting them?

[Ginngie]

Who am I voting?

[Ginngie]

Oh yeah snarky, and that's cuz he town reads TB, for no reason.VOTE: TB

[Ginngie]

Lmao I'm such an indecisive little Bitch

Anywhooooo, blah blah TB blah blah meta blah blah blah promises catch up and won't, blah blah lynch

[Ginngie]

#ButThatsAnEasyWagonSoItMustBeTown

Fuck off a scum lynch is a scum lunch

[Bulbazak]

Also we are still lynching CE

Don't know why it stopped, but it's today's lynch

And yet you're not voting CE...

[Ginngie]

Don't be annoying.

You're being annoying.

Why.

You don't read what's in the ducking page before you post...

[Aronis]

I'm back!!!! I know you all must've terribly missed me during the day I was gone

[Aronis]

Alisae is in the game!!!!!
I think I'm just going to sheep him for a while
VOTE: texcat

[Bulbazak]

Don't be annoying.

You're being annoying.

Why.

You don't read what's in the ducking page before you post...

You make a big deal about CE being today's lynch. I ask why you're not voting them, since you were voting Snarky. You say "You're right!", and then proceed to vote TB instead. If CE is as big a scumread as you've been saying, then the whole reasoning of TB not having caught up like he said wouldn't matter. In the realm of scumreads, TB would be a small blip next to the whale that is CE. So it's a reasonable question to ask. Did your read of CE change drastically since #971? And if so, how? CE hasn't posted anything in the interim, and I actually posted the basis of my scumread, so I know it's nothing anybody else said.

[Alisae]

Alisae is in the game!!!!!
I think I'm just going to sheep him for a while
VOTE: texcat

Hi Aronis and lmao

Guys no one else besides Aronis responded to my Texcat case.
That means I'm voting scum.

[Alisae]

I checked back over the Snarky entrance to the game after I talked to CE in the neighborhood (That's what I was checking out.). I thought Tex might have voted, but I was wrong. If he had, then it would have been a no-brain vote for me. Otherwise, it's a little murkier. I'm surprised that hardly no one jumped on Snarky. That actually concerns me a bit.

Oh. You did!
Okay, let's talk.
Can you give me more on Texcat besides using the word "lurk"
because like, lurkers can prodice content too and be town as well. I'm not seeing it with Texcat

[Alisae]

OH wait.
I'm not reading that post at all
zzz
zzz

you said murky not lurky

Okay, my bad!
Just talk to me about Texcat in general though.

[Alisae]

oh lmao Snarky.
Yeah, I see what you're getting at with him, except there's no real point in voting that slot atm. It's not like a vote is going to make him produce content quicker. Might as well wait till it produces content then interact with it.
Also, his predecessor did have Some content. And that's about it.

[texcat]

Spoiler: Texcat case before I go to bed.

Ego post!

I guess this is one way to sign your posts. ThinkBig, aren't you supposed to be a hydra?

VOTE: 79 CE

For claiming town and town slipping by not knowing the number of scum in the dark thread.

Rauth could still be scum bussing and expecting the wagon to die.
Not only did Aronis post in red (obviously on the mind due to seeing red on their role pm) but also called the other Scum read town and tried to say that my reads won't be worth reading just because I voiced my opinion on the opening post.

Easy game, easy money.

you decided I'm scum solely because I posted a quote using red text, anybody in their right minds would discard your reads in a heartbeat

So why don't you vote Vedith instead of Rauth? What is your case on Rauth?

The more people post "you should just

know

that I'm town" the more I dislike the playerslot.

This kind of rhetoric is silly. If you really expect people to have a confident town read of you less than thirteen pages into a game (if we remove mastina's posts, this thread is probably only at 10, moderator influencing game thread length, tyranny), you are you silly.

While I do believe that confident posting is good, the high level of "I'm right and you should just

get it

" is irritating and needs to stop. If you want to convince me of something, you're going to have to actually provide reasons rather than try to berate me into thinking you're right because the sky is blue, you had a banana for breakfast, and your dog didn't shit on the floor today. Your good mood or overwhelming magical self-confidence and competence is not a reason that I will accept.

I absolutely agree with this post, but hey, it's mafia; that's what people do.


I still think CE 79 is a good lynch, but Titus, I appreciate your 374 and can see your point, but I see town jump on what they see as an rvs wagon all the time for no reason at all and just because it's there.

Based on this VCA Rauthedir reads like Town newb, Aronis reads like lynchbait, Vedith always annoys me as Town, EddieFenix reads like a limp in vote after not providing more details like I asked. Titus and dramonic seem like scum partners.

Thinking Titus dramonic EddieFenix.

You can deduce all of that from a vote count???

The 79 CE wagon has stalled

That doesn't mean that they're not scum. In fact, some might say that it makes it

more

likely.

96 - This reads fake here. It looks like she is trying to be concerned here, but it really reads like she doesn't care at all.

And this is you just casting shade. What on earth makes you think that I was trying to be concerned about hydra slipping? I was annoyed, not concerned. And not even very annoyed.

165 - Shit vote. In the hood they asked why Aristophanes said he was town and made that "slip" and it's a question that doesn't really go anywhere and looks like a faked attempt to gamesolve. Not to mention scum aren't going to fake a townslip to the degree that Aristophanes did in the dark PT. They're gonna try to be a bit more sly about how they do it. If anything, I'd say 70 CE is town because of that.

You say potahto and I say potato. You say shit vote and I say scum vote.

204 - I don't buy that texcat is concerned about the question being asked here, not to mention the question here seems really manipulative.

Why this fascination with my level of concern? No, I wasn't concerned about the question. I thought I saw a contradiction and wanted an explanation of said contradiction. What is so concerning about that?

383 - Okay. This is what buddying really is. I usually say that buddying isn't a scumtell, but that's because people think buddying is "warming up to someone to get them to townread you" and that's litterally what site BFFs do all of the time and that is not scummy at all. What buddying really is is hiding behind someone else's content. And that is exactly what is happening here. This makes Frosted Town and Texcat scum.

LOL. Just LOL.

669 - Gaslighting MathBlade. This probably also makes MathBlade town.

Wow. Do you really think MathBlade should have been able to deduce all of that from one vote count, as he claimed to have?

Spoiler: What do you think of Rauth saying the same thing?

Based on this VCA Rauthedir reads like Town newb, Aronis reads like lynchbait, Vedith always annoys me as Town, EddieFenix reads like a limp in vote after not providing more details like I asked. Titus and dramonic seem like scum partners.

Thinking Titus dramonic EddieFenix.

You can deduce all of that from a vote count???

I have to agree with texcat, where are you getting this from MathBlade? Could you explain that a bit better?

926 - Trying to assume why BTD unvoted 70 CE here is scummy. They don't even attempt to hunt or sort the slot or even attempt to figure out why the slot did what it did.

And this is just outrageously false. You really stretching to throw shade here. I didn't try to assume anything. I didn't assume anything.

Spoiler: BTD explicitly said he was unvoting because the CE wagon was stalled.

The 79 CE wagon has stalled, so I will look at Aronis now instead.

UNVOTE:

tl;dr Texcat isn't really interested in scumhunting and developing reads, and their tunnel on 70 CE looks super fabricated. If I had a 1 bullet and I was in a room with Hitler, Stalin, and Texcat, I'd shoot Texcat. Too bad I don't have that 1 bullet and the gunstore is closed, so I guess I have to wait for that shit to open I guess. Going to sleep now.

I don't even begin to know what to say to this. Yuck.

[Alisae]

And this is you just casting shade.

Um...I'm powerlynching you...
what kind of defense even is this.
wtf

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You say potahto and I say potato. You say shit vote and I say scum vote.

You aren't addressing my concern at all here with why it's bad.

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Why this fascination with my level of concern? No, I wasn't concerned about the question. I thought I saw a contradiction and wanted an explanation of said contradiction. What is so concerning about that?

Because I don't believe you are interested in scumhunting and genuinely generating reads. It seems like you're moreso trying to ask something to look like you're being productive. And even then, it's something you never revisit. You don't care about the answer is what I'm getting at here.

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LOL. Just LOL.

Address the point imo. If you're town interact with me and give me something to work with. Because this is just unhelpful and is going to get you lynched

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Wow. Do you really think MathBlade should have been able to deduce all of that from one vote count, as he claimed to have?

Okay, first off that really doesn't matter. MathBlade likes to use VCs and collect data from them. That's how they play. And you aren't even pushing Rauth, so why are you deflecting towards him? And even then, your tone sounds like moreso you're trying to gaslight Math, Rauth's tone just sounds like he's interested in the question that's being asked here.

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And this is just outrageously false. You really stretching to throw shade here. I didn't try to assume anything. I didn't assume anything.

First off, it's not really shade if I'm powerlynching you. Second off, why didn't you poke it instead?

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I don't even begin to know what to say to this. Yuck.

Can you address my concerns? You think my case is bad, explain why it's bad if you're town? Or don't if you're scum, because I like lynching scum

t would be really cool if you could tell me why.
Also instead of assuming thats why he unvoted, why don't you ask him?

And even then, what do you think about BTD unvoting like that?

Tex along with these, can you tell me why your existance in the dark hood is like, non-existant?

You still have to answer these imo.

[Bulbazak]

@Alisae: I don't think Snarky is scum. I think he either saw something specific from TB that led to a townread or he was baiting a trap. I was watching to see how many jumped on him, but only Gin jumped on besides TB. I thought Tex had jumped on as well, but when I checked, he had stayed firmly on CE. It worries me that scum didn't jump on Snarky. That likely means that they like the current wagons a lot better. Tex could still be scum, but I'm not interested in pursuing that avenue atm. I want to revisit a few of my other reads and see if they stand up, and it's probably not a bad idea to shake some of the stronger players that seem off. Hence why I'm looking at Titus.

[Alisae]

No Tex voteparked 70 CE.

I disagree, and I could be saying the exact same thing Texcat.
I think Snarky just has 0 content so it's rather pointless to interact with that slot. It'll get prodded, it'll come back and generate content, or it'll get replaced and we'll be given someone who will give us content to work with.
If Snarky had posted some content himself, then otherwise I would be looking at that content and see if I agree with you on that. He has 0, so I kinda want him to give me something, and then I can interact with that something however I want. And no, an early tb read isn't somethign.

Texcat and Snarky aren't really even comparable. You're comparing someone who doesn't post much but still posts to someone who is attempting to catch up and in general, doesn't post that frequently.

[Ginngie]

Don't be annoying.

You're being annoying.

Why.

You don't read what's in the ducking page before you post...

You make a big deal about CE being today's lynch. I ask why you're not voting them, since you were voting Snarky. You say "You're right!", and then proceed to vote TB instead. If CE is as big a scumread as you've been saying, then the whole reasoning of TB not having caught up like he said wouldn't matter. In the realm of scumreads, TB would be a small blip next to the whale that is CE. So it's a reasonable question to ask. Did your read of CE change drastically since #971? And if so, how? CE hasn't posted anything in the interim, and I actually posted the basis of my scumread, so I know it's nothing anybody else said.

Yee, I mean I said I'm indecisive, kinda shows lol

The thing about CE and TB is, CE is off of play that I just doesn't sit well with me but TB is like, uber confident. I just push what's on my mind and it feels P-good

It doesn't make sense from your perspective obviously but I've been playing non stop since our last game and its just staring me in the face easy level

[Alisae]

TB is like, uber confident. I just push what's on my mind and it feels P-good

ooooooooooooooooooooooooh boooooooooooooy.