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Empiricus

(3): Mulch, Boonskiies, Dunkerdoodles

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Dunkerdoodles

(1): Empiricus

Boonskiies

(1): TwoFace

Not Voting

(3): Klazam, Branson, Fykus

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

The day 3 deadline is in

: (expired on 2017-07-05 23:47:43)

[TwoFace]

I will say if emp is scum. He played well. The fact he explains his scum reads with details is something that doesn't ready scummy to me. I disagree with his reasons, he at least threw them out there and wasn't vague.

Which brings me to doodle. He withheld reasons for his reads as somebody else pointed out. He is also hiding behind a claim which I don't like.

I don't want a claim but if doodle is town I want something that convinces me. I want a substantial post and maybe explain those scum reads he had earlier.

[Dunkerdoodles]

I think you should just hard claim now.

alright, i'm a town gunsmith. should i post my results now? i have 1 no gun and 1 has a gun, but i don't want to out another potential town PR.

[Boonskiies]

Fuck yes do it

[Boonskiies]

Like what...

[Boonskiies]

Like...that's suicidal if Dunker is scum, so yeah, out that.

[Klazam]

Ooo

[Dunkerdoodles]

serg was no gun, fykus has a gun

[Fykus]

Ok, so I'm a 3-shot vanilla cop.

n1: taco - vanilla - chose him because he was the counterwagon on day 1.
n2: emp - vanilla - after trivium flipped town I figured this would probably be the next reasonable lynch candidate.

1 shot left. open to suggestions

[Dunkerdoodles]

alright so pr claims so far are:
me: gunsmith
boon: odd-night cop
fykus: 3-shot vanilla cop

are there usually this many investigative roles in a game? i feel like fykus or boon could be lying rn.

[Fykus]

I duno, I guess I could see it happening since there was an unlimited shot vig in the game (vedith) and the chances of him hitting one of us would be pretty high. Plus the fact that boon is an odd night cop and I've only got 3 chances to investigate seems to counterbalance one another from a setup standpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if we had some kind of healing role sprinkled in here somewhere. Don't forget that roleblockers are considered pretty OP in mafia so town has to counterbalance that power.

[Dunkerdoodles]

I duno, I guess I could see it happening since there was an unlimited shot vig in the game (vedith) and the chances of him hitting one of us would be pretty high. Plus the fact that boon is an odd night cop and I've only got 3 chances to investigate seems to counterbalance one another from a setup standpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if we had some kind of healing role sprinkled in here somewhere. Don't forget that roleblockers are considered pretty OP in mafia so town has to counterbalance that power.

makes sense, i could see all of us existing.

[Klazam]

Unvote emp guys.

[Klazam]

Too tired to parse, will pick up tomorrow

[Klazam]

Gunsmith+2cop/vig kinda makes sense here doesn't it.

[Empiricus]

Well then..
UNVOTE: Dunkerdoodles

So this is where we're at then:
02. Klazam
04. Boonskiies - Odd-night cop
05. TwoFace
06. Empiricus - Vanilla
07. Mulch - Conftown
10. Fykus - 3-shot vanilla cop
11. Branson
13. Dunkerdoodles - Gunsmith

[TwoFace]

Seems like one of these is fake but I have no freaking clue. Of the claims doodles is clearly legit though.

Still think boon could have fake claimed.

[Fykus]

Like I said, I can see why town would have these roles considering we had an unlimited shot vig. In the wrong hands we could of lost a couple of PR's and town would be stuffed in regards to investigation

[TwoFace]

But historically normal games with a full vig didn't have a lot of power.

[TwoFace]

When I get to a computer I'll post examples of what I'm talking about.

Like gunsmith/weak cop or gunsmith/odd night cop I believe all 3 is a tough pill to swallow

[TwoFace]

games with full vigilante

Mini 1900 - Vig, 2 shot tracker, full gunsmith, and ascetic townie

Mini 1860 - Vig, Roleblocker, Doctor, Cop, and 1 shot commuter

Mini 1847 - Vig, Role Cop, Doctor

Mini 1850 - Vig, Cop, Doctor

Mini 1823 - Vig, Doctor, Tracker, 1 shot BP

Mini 1669 - Vigilante, Gunsmith, and 2 neighbors

I stopped after 1669 1. because I think that is a good sample size and 2. 2015 and prior isn't a good representation with how reviewers are doing games today.


None of these setups support what has currently been claimed thus far. That doesn't mean it isn't possible, but for me I don't find it particularly likely.

It's like the game I played recently where I was a miller. Scum fake claimed watcher and while a miller and town watcher in a game can exsist (and probably has like once or twice) statistically speaking it is highly unlikely so I called BS on the claim and was right.

I am not playing this game assuming least likely scenarios are more likely just because people say so. Boon's claim makes the most sense and since he is all gung ho about these other claims so we "spread the potential kill area" which means he can survive longer without people being suspicious of him.

I get people don't want to lynch boon today and that is fine, but day 4 we have to lynch him because his claim is the least believable imo. I think there could possibly be another weak role out there but to me odd night cop/2 shot gunsmith/3 shot vanilla cop (essentially 3 cops) and a vig doesn't make much sense to me.

[Mulch]

Should I claim.


Also, I think a vanulla/gunsmith thing makes perfect sense but also sort of overlaps? They do the same thing...


VOTE: Fykus

[TwoFace]

in about a half hour I will try to look through isos again for connections. That didn't go over so well the last time but I really don't know what else to do at this point.

[Mulch]

I have a suspicion were losing this game lol

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