Night and Day Mafia (Game Over)

[QuantumRadius]

pageget

[Aronis]

here's your response to your ludicrous case frosted kelvin bran

I don't know ThinkBig well enough to determine whether that's alignment indicative. I can speak from my own experience though. I've been in multiple games at once and only post in games that I'm up to date in or enjoy, while falling further behind in games that I am already behind in or don't enjoy.

In terms of the former, it's easier for me to make quick posts in games that I'm are already caught up on, while it can be almost impossible to make meaningful posts in a game that I am far behind on. And being behind is inherently demotivating, so I push myself to keep up with the game I'm caught up on so that I'm not behind on multiple games. Then, once life allows a massive stretch of time, I try to catch up on the one I'm far behind on in a single go.

As far as not enjoying a game goes, it's easier to post in a game that is fun, pleasant, and easy to read. But in games where that's not the case, it's more of a chore and I'm more inclined to put it off. I know that in nancy's game, I legitimately had a hard time reading it and understanding what was going on. It's true that I was scum, but I couldn't get active in the game because I just didn't like the pace, tone, or feel of it at all and that made it an ordeal to ever keep up. And the more I fell behind, the more I became demotivated to even take part in the game.

As I said, I don't know ThinkBig well enough to know if he thinks that way, but I know myself well enough to know that I think that way and that it's not indicative of alignment, so it's conceivable to me that he could be of a similar mindset. What reason do you have to believe that isn't the case? I'm not asking you to pull together a big case or mountains of data, I just want to know why you think it must be because he's scum and consider alternative reasons for his behavior,

-Kelvin

Okay here's a big problem, you're assuming that ThinkBig and you are like identical people when that's not the case at all. How much you post and how much thinkbig posts can and do depend on different things here. ThinkBig doesn't post when he's scum.

Basically your counter-argument boils down to: how active I am doesn't depend on my alignment so how active everyone else is can't depend on their alignment and that's an incredibly flawed assumption that is completely incorrect.

[Frosted Kelvin Bran]

Damn it we are not repeating 1900 or Gistou people. I have seen a shit ton of role claims and would rather everyone keep it in their pants/skirts. Seriously...the point of Mafia isn't mass claim. For the love of God stop claiming shit. I know you're probably all excited that oooooh I has shinies but please stop that. I am getting sick of everyone claiming things.

Like please...if you think you have to claim on day one and are not a miller and not ascetic please check yourself before you wreck yourself.

*cough* Or Jester *cough*

Also who is claiming?

p-edit: I knew why Titus was doing it. I don't know why dramonic is doing it.

That's fair. But I'd like to know what you hope to gain from the question. Do you think it's going to be alignment-indicative or do you want insight into his thought process?

(I think he posted to the wrong game)

I see.

-Kelvin

[Aronis]

pageget

It's 'Pagetop' not 'pageget'. like if you're gonna steal them plz do it right

[QuantumRadius]

pageget

It's 'Pagetop' not 'pageget'. like if you're gonna steal them plz do it right

oops yeah another fun encounter with site meta differences lol

[Rautherdir]

That's why I use the notes app to type stuff up on my phone. At least I did back when I played mafia on mobile.

p-edit: Why did you quote that post?

p-edit2: Insight, mostly. Depends on the answer. Also depends on why dram is voting vedith.

[Rautherdir]

Second p-edit was to Alisae.

[Frosted Kelvin Bran]

Deathtunnel, without reasons, fml.

you sure? i seem to have had a whole PbPA of reasons before

petty?
holy shit i really want to get to a computer and drop fire
i had loads of evidence before the shredder of dreams that is the internet took all of it

and you might not understand my tenacity fully
if i know what i'm doing i can get things done my way
and I 100% know what I'm doing

This is gonna sound harsh, but do it again if you're so sure. Of course, it's probably pointless because you're probably wrong and it's probable nobody is going to listen to you. Personally, I don't get a scum impression from Titus. I've only played with her as scum once and she replaced out pretty early on, but my experience suggests that she's more docile as scum, as well as appearing both less certain and less aggressive. At least, that's my take on her. As I've established though, my reads are fucking trash. Still, I'll stand by my gut on her until I see compelling reason not to.

-Kelvin

i want to do it again but i play almost exclusively on mobile, if and when i can get to a computer formatting such a long post will be less of a tedious pain and will be less likely to get lost
i'm feeling really cocky, so maybe nobody will listen to me, but idrc, just something to get me out there. i'm really confident that i got a scum tho
i'm not easily discouraged

Would an abridged version be possible? I'm certainly not trying to discourage you. In fact, I want it, since it will give me a greater window into your head. I'm just telling you I don't have good reason to believe you are right and I arguably have good reason to believe you are wrong.

-Kelvin

[Rautherdir]

... No, no it wasn't the second p-edit. I was asking Alisae why she quoted that post when saying me or texcat goes tomorrow.

[mastina]

I could place a votecount here but if something's changed I missed it anyway and would thus need to update here.
I should say that this game is giving me a headache at times and I often question whether I'm accurately recording information or not but I'll give you what I can. <3

[Alisae]

Because that is fake as fuck and by far the worst response to what Math posted.

[QuantumRadius]

@fkb unfortunately that's a no. i'm not gonna get everything out in a short post, the original case was extremely complex. i really want to do anything along those lines but it's not going to be nearly as good.

[Ginngie]

define extremely complex

[Rautherdir]

Because that is fake as fuck and by far the worst response to what Math posted.

...? Do you see people claiming left and right?

[QuantumRadius]

define extremely complex

about a half hour in I lost all my progress

[Aronis]

PC Master Race.

[Frosted Kelvin Bran]

here's your response to your ludicrous case frosted kelvin bran

I don't know ThinkBig well enough to determine whether that's alignment indicative. I can speak from my own experience though. I've been in multiple games at once and only post in games that I'm up to date in or enjoy, while falling further behind in games that I am already behind in or don't enjoy.

In terms of the former, it's easier for me to make quick posts in games that I'm are already caught up on, while it can be almost impossible to make meaningful posts in a game that I am far behind on. And being behind is inherently demotivating, so I push myself to keep up with the game I'm caught up on so that I'm not behind on multiple games. Then, once life allows a massive stretch of time, I try to catch up on the one I'm far behind on in a single go.

As far as not enjoying a game goes, it's easier to post in a game that is fun, pleasant, and easy to read. But in games where that's not the case, it's more of a chore and I'm more inclined to put it off. I know that in nancy's game, I legitimately had a hard time reading it and understanding what was going on. It's true that I was scum, but I couldn't get active in the game because I just didn't like the pace, tone, or feel of it at all and that made it an ordeal to ever keep up. And the more I fell behind, the more I became demotivated to even take part in the game.

As I said, I don't know ThinkBig well enough to know if he thinks that way, but I know myself well enough to know that I think that way and that it's not indicative of alignment, so it's conceivable to me that he could be of a similar mindset. What reason do you have to believe that isn't the case? I'm not asking you to pull together a big case or mountains of data, I just want to know why you think it must be because he's scum and consider alternative reasons for his behavior,

-Kelvin

Okay here's a big problem, you're assuming that ThinkBig and you are like identical people when that's not the case at all. How much you post and how much thinkbig posts can and do depend on different things here. ThinkBig doesn't post when he's scum.

Basically your counter-argument boils down to: how active I am doesn't depend on my alignment so how active everyone else is can't depend on their alignment and that's an incredibly flawed assumption that is completely incorrect.

No, my argument is "how active I am doesn't depend on my alignment, so how active everyone else is conceivably doesn't depend on their alignment." I have no illusion that ThinkBig and I are even remotely the same person, though in the past I have been known to make the assumption that I can understand certain players that are similar to me. Rather, I am making a broader generalization about human nature and suggesting that there'd been no reason presented to me that it couldn't be applicable here. Telling me I'm wrong isn't magically going to make your case better.

[Ginngie]

Spoiler: This is what complex looks like to me

Playerlist

TheRealGin-N-Tonic=VT₁
Desperado=VT₂
Whemestar=VT₃
Implosion=JOAT
AJ the Epic=RB
Nosferatu=Odd Cop

Day 4 Plan

Lynch VT₃

Night 4 Gameplan

RB blocks VT₂

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Click if there is no kill

Click if JOAT is killed

Click if Odd Cop is killed

Click if RB is killed

Day 5 Gameplan

No Lynch and proceed to Night 5 Outcome A

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VT₂ is cleared and confirmed town
This means the scum is in VT₁, Odd Cop, RB
No Lynch and proceed to Night 5 Gameplan Outcome B

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JOAT and VT₂ are confirmed.
scum is in VT₁ and RB

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VT₂ is confirmed town
Scum is in Odd Cop and VT₁

Night 5 Outcome A Gameplan

RB blocks VT₂
Odd Cop checks RB

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Click if there is no kill N5

Click if the Odd Cop is killed N5

Click if RB is killed N5

Night 5 Outcome B Gameplan

Night Actions:
RB blocks VT₁
Odd Cop checks RB

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Click if no kill N5

Click if VT2 is killed N5

Click if RB killed N5

Day 6 Outcome A Gameplan

If Odd Cop gives innocent on RB, then scum is VT₂
If guilty, lynch RB Proceed to Night 6 Outcome Gameplan

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VT₂ cleared and scum is in RB and VT₁

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VT₂ is confirmed town, scum is in VT₁ and Odd Cop

Day 6 Outcome B Gameplan

If Odd Cop has guilty, scum is in Odd Cop and RB.
If Odd Cop has innocent, scum is in Odd Cop and VT₁

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VT₁ is confirmed
Scum is in Odd Cop and RB

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VT₂ is confirmed town, scum is in Odd Cop and VT₁

Night 6 Outcome Gameplan

Hopefully the game is over

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If it's not, then JOAT, VT₂ confirmed town, doesn't matter which will die, scum is in Odd Cop and VT₁ if game does not end because of a fake guilty.

Day 7 Gameplan

JOAT or confirmed VT₂ will be alive, doesn't matter.
Odd Cop votes VT₁ and vice versa.
Confirmed Town is the hammering vote.

anything else isn't worth bitching about losing

[Aronis]

okay kelvin goes into the a. stupid or b. scum pile w/ vedith and whoever else I put in there

[Rautherdir]

... How would you even do that on a phone.

[QuantumRadius]

oh it was waaaaaaaay worse than that

[Alisae]

Because that is fake as fuck and by far the worst response to what Math posted.

...? Do you see people claiming left and right?

Nope! I just hated your response

[Ginngie]

oh it was waaaaaaaay worse than that

I am holding you up to this standard as that was a 6 hour post.

[Frosted Kelvin Bran]

Because that is fake as fuck and by far the worst response to what Math posted.

What was and why was it?

-Kelvin (last post was also me)

[Rautherdir]

Because that is fake as fuck and by far the worst response to what Math posted.

...? Do you see people claiming left and right?

Nope! I just hated your response

That wasn't my response.