Open 688: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Almost50]

Do we know about daytalk? According to the wiki it seems off but not super explicit and 50 doesn't mention it.

I follow the wiki. Scum can only chat at night.

VC 3.02

MuttonChopMagic

(2): Titus, Mathblade,

Titus

(1): MuttonChopMagic,

Mathblade

(1): itlepip,

Not Voting

(6): NJAC, Vedith, NotTheRealPaul, Navy, alban, Agent Sparkles,
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
*Agent Sparkles V/LA

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-07-07 21:50:00)

[itlepip]

Oh god 3 doc claims,
Alban is almost certainly town from the way that played out, AS is also pretty good, and sheep is meh though claiming a second doc might be a bit scary for scum the save doesn't make the most sense. Alban's justification for saving creature is also fairly towny. I tempted to be lazy and say all three are probably true but I think I am reading someone wrong. Also if one of the claims is scum then the lack of night kill becomes irrelevant. If only one person claimed doc with a save no killing in the night might be technically correct.

715 feels tmiy. Also if coop flips scum look for a maf in the other saves.
719 is still bad
723 is pretty good? Not really enough to give a read but I agree with it?
726 I still really think sheep is town. He gave the answers in a way that doesn't make him look good or gamesolvy, but there still is content there.
Something about an awful case is really good at confirming suspicions. Man mutton couldn't push a wheel down a hill. Yeah I really think all of the doc claims are probably true here, lazy reads be damned.
781 is probably HM's best post, but still don't like the slot. (I would expect scum to make up some scumread there just for sake of appearance).
787 is pretty funny and gut reads as slight town to me.
791 FTR rhyming does not a good case make. This just feels like confbias, but it probably is town confbias? Another one for the nulltown zone...
Titus advocating for massclaim is great mechanics, probably not outside of her scum game but easily the most pro town thing done this game. Especially since there wasn't a night phase where Titus could tell her brethren how not to slip with the massclaim.
912 This combined with TItus later advocating for lynching within only the doc claims (which makes sense given her mass claim) is pretty towny. I never will clear Titus based on her getting mechanics right, but this slot is probably out of my PoE right now.
916 Is actually the best counterargument to , if 1 (or more) of the original claims is maf then the first maf pinged out will claim cop and the last one fills. However I still stand by the way the day played out is probably a townier Titus
I actually think that Mutton switching was a towny thing to do, cause if you got 7-6 prior to the switch then you actually have a good lynch pool, it just didn't work out. Kinda suprised Titus isn't seeing that and is calling for Mutton's lynch.
1058That self vote is awful though
FTR the reason that Mutton's play isn't good from scum is that a). it draws a lot of unnessary attention and gets LALed. b). In the event that Mutton gets lynched you immediately know to lynch within the cop pile. It doesn't mean that Mutton isn't scum but it is not a justified play. I think that Mutton's explanation and reaction to Titus is fairly town though. Also the Hellfire/Mutton theory is stupid. Hellfire is not going to win scum this game, you certainly don't put yourself in the spotlight to save the scummiest player in the game. I still can't believe that Hellfire's slot made it to d3.
NTRP's defense was super lame. Basically just 'idgi' his way out of the case without saying anything.
Vedith's argument with Coop is awful to read but probably is towny enough to really move Vedith from lynch circle, the questioning stuff feels pretty much TvT though nothing Vedith says really makes sense ever. Though if both of them shut up I think I would have better reads d2.
1340 is pretty much the classic way to strong arm a derp town lynch. Not sure if Vedith is back in the lynch circle but def not in the town bloc.
Liked Alban's claim but all of his posts have struck me really poorly today. Like Alban apparently hates where the gamestate is going but also doesn't really do much to stop it just kinda stops by every few pages to say that he doesn't like vedith or titus but doesn't do anything about it ever.

holy shit fuck rhymes

blep I am so close, I need sleep this game is getting annoying af to read.

Also I think I gave every slot in the game but Math out of the lynch pool, probably wrong about at least 2 of those.
Navy, mutton are townblocy material, Vedith, Alban, NJAC all are townleans, Titus NTRP AS null, math scum

[MathBlade]

TLDR itlepip's reads are shit Titus and I are obvTown

Mutton needs rope

I am going to bed.

[Titus]

The dialogue in the middle is decent, but the conclusions don't match the middle.

[Vedith]

Vedith, I ask again. How do the two new flips change your calculation?
Why is Titus suspicious all of a sudden when you defended her quite strongly yesterday?

Well, it solved the game from my point of view. I have all 3 scum, and that's 100% thanks to the mass claim.

I already said why about Titus and Math. The only games they aren't going at each other is when they are both scum.

[Vedith]

Claiming cop is actually a lot riskier play for scum to make imho.

Explain that one to me.

TLDR itlepip's reads are shit Titus and I are obvScum

FTFY

[Titus]

Vedith, I ask again. How do the two new flips change your calculation?
Why is Titus suspicious all of a sudden when you defended her quite strongly yesterday?

Well, it solved the game from my point of view. I have all 3 scum, and that's 100% thanks to the mass claim.

I already said why about Titus and Math. The only games they aren't going at each other is when they are both scum.

That's just not true. We did have a game where one of us would buddy the other.

I also know Math cop cleared me. They were not subtle about it.

You need me as your doc suspect, so you must paint Math as scum too. They could be scum buddying me but I literally don't give two fucks bc they must get lynched before me in optimal play. Optimal play says find the doc scum first. So, you'd just swap Math in my place for now.

If they'd flip town, I'm conf clear. If they flipped scum, yippie bonus for us.

I know Math isn't scum though so I am like meh whatever.

Let's lynch Mutton who is scum by PoE.

[Titus]

I know Math isn't scum though so I am like meh whatever

Should say I am not scum.

[Vedith]

You just said what I basically already said about you and Math lynches, Titus.

Tell me, why is Mutton scum by POE?
Explain why all the other doc claims are town.

[Titus]

You just said what I basically already said about you and Math lynches, Titus.

Tell me, why is Mutton scum by POE?
Explain why all the other doc claims are town.

The n1 docs have little motivation to claim the way they do as scum. It just puts them in a place where they cannot lynch their protects.

I am town.

No other doc claimer exists but Mutton.

[Vedith]

The n1 docs have little motivation to claim the way they do as scum. It just puts them in a place where they cannot lynch their protects.

I am town.

No other doc claimer exists but Mutton.

Well, that's false. It gives scum somewhere to hide.

And I highly doubt you being town.

[MathBlade]

Claiming cop is actually a lot riskier play for scum to make imho.

Explain that one to me.

TLDR itlepip's reads are shit Titus and I are obvScum

FTFY

Because claiming results would bring attention onto a slot. Claiming cop means eventually if the game lasts to day 6 everyone who claimed cop should have a read. So they have to fabricate a result and that fabrication gets hard. If their target didn't die then why didn't they announce/crumb it the following day? If they did die then why cop someone so obviously Town.

[MathBlade]

Creature
Sesq n3 doc
Hellfire Missile cop
Agent Sparkles n1 doc
NJAC cop
Gamma Emerald cop
Titus doc
Cooperative Sheep n1 doc
alban n1 doc
Vedith cop
NotTheRealPaul cop
MuttonChopMagic cop
CommKnight dead doc

So yes it's 6 and 6
So Creature is very likely determining the route of today.

Either Mutton is scum or Titus is wrong on the N1 doc theory or both. I am leaning both.

[MathBlade]

Meaning Mutton scum and one of the N1 docs is.

Clarification by way of post.

[NotTheRealPaul]

I think its more likely N1 docs has a scum in it than mutton.

Going back to the claim switch, scum!mutton has no reason to do it in such a way. It draws way to much attention to himself and not the good kind.

[itlepip]

I think its more likely N1 docs has a scum in it than mutton.

Going back to the claim switch, scum!mutton has no reason to do it in such a way. It draws way to much attention to himself and not the good kind.

This,

Titus the read list was made hours after most of the catchup, and on thinking people moved a bunch. I really think that the switch is nearly outside of Mutton's range as scum.

Also Mathblade Titus could just be scum.

[MathBlade]

I think its more likely N1 docs has a scum in it than mutton.

Going back to the claim switch, scum!mutton has no reason to do it in such a way. It draws way to much attention to himself and not the good kind.

This,

Titus the read list was made hours after most of the catchup, and on thinking people moved a bunch. I really think that the switch is nearly outside of Mutton's range as scum.

Also Mathblade Titus could just be scum.

Titus is scum if you scumread Almost50. I don't scumread Almost50.

I think Titus is onto something here and too many people are shading her and me to all be Town.

[Vedith]

You in a rush, Math?

[itlepip]

Is that a hardclaim?

[MuttonChopMagic]

if you're going to hard clear Titus stop softing it and claim it
no shit that's what you're crumbing, but I don't buy that shit
and neither of you have articulated why I'm scum at all
you're both not new players, you don't need to flop around like paul

[itlepip]

Assuming that is a hard claim Titus is out of the lynch pool but Math is in it now.

[MuttonChopMagic]

2 things can happen here, alas
if math hardclaims an inno my lynchpool today is {sparkles, math}
if math flips town I can just doc Titus
and if math flips scum Titus is no longer clearitis
if people believe the claim, sparkles can be roped
also, and I can't stress this enough, tomorrow lylo if a mislynch folks
so if you want to accept maths inno as town you need to me completely solid in that
because tomorrow there's no room for pussyfooting around inoo n shat

[Vedith]

Why is Navy not in your lynch pool?
Why is AS in your lynch pool?

[MuttonChopMagic]

I town read navy off experience with her
as has been a scum read for a long time and I haven't been subtle there

[Vedith]

I want reasons though.