Open 691: Jungle Republic (ENDGAME)

[GinghamDog]

Seer should come out. It's pointless for me to kill them and we'd have a confirmed townie.

[Vedith]

So we basically have 1 of 2 situations.

Gin is Mafia trying to draw out a seer - I don't really like this option as on any night kill not agreed, or even if told not to shoot would have them lynched.
or, Gin is now town's Vigilante and we control the night kill.

[Tails]

I'm all for leashing the wolf, but I'd like to have a plan for directing the wolf's shot. I think it needs to be a group effort and not given to any one person. Also, GD gets auto-lynched if she doesn't shoot who we say.

Unvote
Vote Vedith

[GinghamDog]

How about the Seer makes the decision on who I kill? Or just have all players vote.

[Vedith]

How about the Seer makes the decision on who I kill? Or just have all players vote.

Having majority would be best.
If Majority isn't agreed, then you don't shoot.

This would also help us see if scum try to manipulate the shots at later game too after flips.

[MMM]

I feel like leaving confirmed scum alive is too risky. I believe the WW claim, and I do believe that she's willing to take our directions on who to kill, however the following may still be the case:
- She may end up killing Town despite our belief of hitting Mafia with the nightkill
- Mafia may end up influencing the kill too much and aim it at town
- She could still be Mafia fakeclaiming herself in order to be kept alive by town
My heart is telling me to let you off the hook, but my brain is telling me not to, and I think my brain is generally better. I'm sorry, but my lynch is not coming off, and I believe I won't be alone in this decision. The game may last a little longer because of this since there won't be any night kills, but our deadlines are relatively short anyway so it's nothing to worry about, honestly.

In case it's not obvious, Seer isn't going to and shouldn't claim until we can 100% confirm the last WW being dead. Also, everyone should vote in favor of the game becoming nightless after that event. This is also part of the reason I want to lynch the WW as well, because again, spending 48 hours with nothing to do during the night just isn't fun and I feel like it personally disconnects me from the game too much.

@Mod: If the game becomes nightless, will there still be deadlines for each day, or will plurality lynches apply?

[Vedith]

The issue I have with the game being nightless means that scum have chat all the time.
The best time to catch scum out is during the day when they can't discuss further.

So I'm against.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: nottherealpaul

pseudovote vedith for vigging

I agree with leashing the wolf, i disagree with the seer claiming unless under lynch/vig threat

[MMM]

Am I the only one still in favor of lynching the WW?

[Vedith]

Am I the only one still in favor of lynching the WW?

Yes. If we get into a situation of MyLo or LyLo, then we need to lynch the WW, otherwise no.

[Wisdom]

yes
Ive already explained why we're not lynching the ww

[MMM]

//shrug

UNVOTE:

[MMM]

I'm fine with terminating both Vedith and NTRP. Don't care which order.
VOTE: NotTheRealPaul

Pseudovote vigging Vedith

[NotTheRealPaul]

Wowza

This just got interesting

So keep gin alive and vote to use NK as we see fit?

VOTE: Dunkers

[NotTheRealPaul]

Dare I ask for reasoning behind these votes?

[MMM]

92 is a scumclaim btw

VOTE: thebrie

93 doesn't make any sense with what was said in 92

I don't really like using meta but does anyone know whether Transcend would be able to hard bus his partner like this?

[Vedith]

VOTE: NotTheRealPaul
I'm okay with being vigged tonight. It takes out the bad suspicion on me.

If NTRP flips scum, the last 2 will remain in

MMM
Tails
Bins
Dunkerdoodles

[Vedith]

I don't really like using meta but does anyone know whether Transcend would be able to hard bus his partner like this?

Trans is unreliable in his meta. He both busses and defends as scum.

[MMM]

Hmmmmmm

Ok she's probably the real WW but I'd still like the Seer to inspect her tonight just to be sure

[Vedith]

Hmmmmmm

Ok she's probably the real WW but I'd still like the Seer to inspect her tonight just to be sure

And then tomorrow we have a confirmed. It works out perfectly.

[GinghamDog]

92 is a scumclaim btw

VOTE: thebrie

93 doesn't make any sense with what was said in 92

I don't really like using meta but does anyone know whether Transcend would be able to hard bus his partner like this?

Transcend did in fact bus. His reasons for leaving the game were 99% hydra-related, but the final straw was Brie's lynch.

[Wisdom]

gingham, any thoughts on who's mafia?

[GinghamDog]

Hmmmmmm

Ok she's probably the real WW but I'd still like the Seer to inspect her tonight just to be sure

And then tomorrow we have a confirmed. It works out perfectly.

Fine with me. I'll even no-kill tonight if it makes anyone feel better.

[Wisdom]

no, you will kill vedith. If hes not dead tomorrow we're lynching you.

[GinghamDog]

gingham, any thoughts on who's mafia?

The reads list I made earlier were in fact my real reads. My reasons were pretty shit, but it's all I had. I'd say Paul is my best scum read.