Micro 715: Friendly Neighbor 6 (Game Over)

[Vedith]

Okay I'll look again.
Why should I not consider you Scum? Who do you think is Alchs buddy?

[Vedith]

I was going to relax and phone post but I guess I'll get on my pc.

[Something_Smart]

BTD6 or Dany pending a reread of Alchemist's interactions with them. But doing premature associatives is a bad idea.
I never said you shouldn't consider me as scum.
You shouldn't treat me as confscum like you are.

[Vedith]

Flubber changed his vote to Something Smart.

This plus others suggest you're not scum together then.

So if Alch is scum, it's with BTD or Danny.
There's pros and cons to both, Alch making people aware of BTD on L1, bad voting, never actually engaging with or about Danny.
I forget if Alch is a distancer as scum or not.

Maybe you're not confirmed scum.

[Vedith]

Town - GE , Alchemist
Scum - BTD-6, SS(stronger scumread)

This is ironic!

Also, I don't think Danny is with SS or BTD.

So as it stands, the scum teams are
SS/BTD
Dany/Alch
Aclh/BTD

[Something_Smart]

Why are you suddenly considering BTD6 scum?

Also if you're going to rule out scumteams based on distancing as shallow as that then you should read my interaction with BTD6 starting at 339.

[Vedith]

I mostly agree with this. Dany has been rather inconsistent. For the first point, I can see why they think that not giving reasoning is scummy but if they believe that, they should agree. They believe that stating reasons is pro-Town therefore it will benefit Town if they state reasons therefore they should state reasons. Their justification for not stating reasons does not make sense. Reaction tests are also generally ineffective and if, in doing so, you contradict something you claim to believe, it can easily be picked up on.

The second quote exemplifies this. If you have certain standards, you are expected to follow them. It is not different if you do something.

The third and fourth quotes are fine. It is possible for Townies to have gut reads that you cannot pin down reasons for. However, when your read is strong enough to warrant a vote, reasoning is expected.

Currently, I scumread Dany as well as SS.

You have given some answers, but they are unsatisfactory. You are essentially denying the argument without actually refuting it. You are also using misrep in these posts. For example, when Draynth clearly has multiple reasons for voting you and pushes the fact that you flip-flopped, you claim that Draynth is changing reasons in short succession, with the implication that they are just making them up on the spot, which I doubt.

You still haven't answered this one:
"Why would you do what you scumread someone for, if you are just trying to see whether you will be scumread? Would someone scumreading you for not giving reasons (when you scumread others for the same) be indicative of Town or scum?"

I'm not sure how to think of these. BTD is voting SS but not pushing, while having more focus on Dany but not voting.

[Vedith]

Why are you suddenly considering BTD6 scum?

Also if you're going to rule out scumteams based on distancing as shallow as that then you should read my interaction with BTD6 starting at 339.

Because I'm re reading and taking options.
I'm not doing it on pure distancing, I'm doing it on reactions and intentions.

BTD votes you but yet never really pushes you, instead pushes Dany, but never votes him. So I'm confused there.

[Something_Smart]

But that interaction goes both ways. I gave significant reasoning against BTD6.

[Vedith]

But that interaction goes both ways. I gave significant reasoning against BTD6.

I agree, and I have you're combo as currently the weakest...
I just don't understand why BTD never votes Dany when he looks to have his strongest case there... But that could be BTD being BTD.

[Vedith]

Right now, Alch has the highest odds to flip scum out of you 4.
Ironically enough, you and Dany have the least chance right now.

[Something_Smart]

Why in 669 did you assume that I am scum and BTD6 town, yet now a page later your possible teams have BTD6 as second most likely scum and me as least likely?

[Vedith]

Why in 669 did you assume that I am scum and BTD6 town, yet now a page later your possible teams have BTD6 as second most likely scum and me as least likely?

Because I ended the day with thinking you were scum and BTD was town.

[Something_Smart]

So what changed in the last page?

[Vedith]

So what changed in the last page?

I checked ISO's to see who favours together and who make no sense as a scum combo.
Like you fucking asked

[Something_Smart]

And you didn't do that all of yesterday or overnight?

[Vedith]

And you didn't do that all of yesterday or overnight?

No? I'm far too busy site wide to do that.
I left the night thinking it was you and Alch or Dany (more Alch).
That's good enough for me.

[Something_Smart]

How confident would you say you were in those reads at the beginning of the night? Also what was your read on Dray?

[Vedith]

How confident would you say you were in those reads at the beginning of the night? Also what was your read on Dray?

Dray was town. I would have been confident enough to call you scum, but I wanted to hear what people had to say.

[Something_Smart]

I wanted to hear what people had to say.

You didn't do this though. (The only person you heard was me lol) Are you confident in your reads now?

And what specifically made you so confident Draynth was town?

[Vedith]

You didn't do this though. (The only person you heard was me lol) Are you confident in your reads now?

And what specifically made you so confident Draynth was town?

Yes I did. Hence no vote on you. I wanted to know why I shouldn't consider the others.
I am always confident in my reads.
Because Dray was just stupid town.

[Alchemist21]

I ruled out SS/BTD as a possible pair a while back. D1, look back at how SS pushed back on me when I started scumreading him, then look back at how he pushed back on BTD. The reactions are extremely similar. If SS is scum, then him treating both of us the same indicates we're both Town; if SS is Town then the reactions are genuine anyway and he obviously can't be scum with BTD.

It's weirding me out that as soon as this Day starts 2 people come out stating hard scumreads on me without saying why. I guess the suspicions were mentioned yesterday, but it doesn't explain the hard change. I think Vedith's the one that looks scummier here though. It looks like he's just following along with what Something_Smart is telling him.

Now I could go through and give reasons for why I can't be partners with anyone in this game, but it would mean giving a lot of self-meta that I don't think anyone should really trust anyway.

[Vedith]

I don't care if I look scummy.
Fact is, I was most likely Dray's target. Meaning that I did not make the night kill at least, meaning I have the least chance of flipping scum here.

So tell me, why should I not consider you as scum right now?

[Something_Smart]

^This logic is actually so inane that I'm pretty sure it's town. That and Occam's razor keeps nagging me about Gamma's claim makes me comfortable calling Vedith town.

And 696 is a solid post. I have conflicting feelings on Alchemist which is one of the reasons I was annoyed that Vedith didn't do that reread.

[Something_Smart]

After rereading the ISOs of BTD6 and Dany I'd like to lynch one of those two today. I can't get a read I really feel good about on either one but they both have just kind of skated by on scummy content. (And I told y'all Raya was town...)