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[kraska77]

ugh i really hate my last post...it really sounds smug af im sorry, i wrote that shit in a hurry so ignore it pls

@what you said about people ignoring nottherealpaul
yeah...im also confused by this tbh....
but he's more likely town than not, so having people focus elswhere doesnt hurt i guess? paul self voted for majority of day 1 and almost got lynched for that, scumchat was open for the first 48 hours and i doubt a scumteam with paul in it wouldnt have pushed him to unvote asap

[MuttonChopMagic]

Paul's pr thing was pretty likely town
I don't get why sling is town though, help me cone around?

[Backhand]

@Grendel: This game *has* been super hard to get into, half the game has been replaced, and there was no flow. Still think it can be turned around though.

[MuttonChopMagic]

also I think backhand us probably town
so there's a relatively small scum look and cheetory is included in it but not a lynch today I'll allow

[Grendel]

Thinking in retrospect CCC is probably town because he wouldn’t have been so paranoid of me this game as scum. Espesally after how I descrdited the wagons that formed on him throughout that first day. it was clear that I wasn’t super into lynching him for meta reasons. So I don’t think scum!CCC would ever throw shade against me unless it meant winning that game.

He is playing kinda bad rn, but I'm cleaving the baby in two and gonna say that it's not scummy bad.

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Re NotRealPual

Both those points where on my mind regarding him, Softing, and extended self vote.

Paul's pr thing was pretty likely town
I don't get why sling is town though, help me cone around?

Its partically meta, but I was spectating a game of his where he was lynched D1, he flipped town, and his behavior was exactly the dame it was here. Lots of snippy little retorts, and only directly reacting to players scum reading him, usally in a defensive manner.

Like I'd think at this point Scum!Sling would care more about self preservation then Town!sling. Since bieng a butt is not a very preservative quality to hold dear.

[NotTheRealPaul]

Never been lynched D1 Grendel. Got lynched D2 in my only completed game

[NotTheRealPaul]

@Grendel can you reqord the CCC thing again? Im confused about discrediting wagon part. Like wouldnt scum!Ccc throw shade at you if u were discrediting wagon because if he flips u might go down with him?

[NotTheRealPaul]

reword*

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Never been lynched D1 Grendel. Got lynched D2 in my only completed game

he meant slingshot lol

[Grendel]

Removing Mutton and Kraska my reads are something like this

Sling, NotPaul, Cheetory6,

Gigabyte, CCC,

Vedith, Backhand,

Hiraki, Nero Cain

I'm back on Hiraki.

Having a lot of town reads is a little scary tbh. I guess I could see one of Giga/CCC being scum under certain circumstances. I really don't feel like thinking about it now tho.

Vedith is 100% Poe for ob reasons. Lots of town looking players, not many scum reads I'm confedant on. Backhand is in same boat.

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@Not Paul

Spoiler:

It has more to with me feeling bad for people that are constantly lynched early because their playsytle isn't "palatable" to site meta. Like I'm not checked the logic of this speed wagon yet but odds are that CCC is getting lynched for null reasons. >.>

I don't think I said anything about you/NM getting lynched early. I know very little about both of you.

CCC gets run into the ground every D1 that he is town. The only exception I recall off hand is the only other game I played with him where I helped divert the pressure off him.

He has played a more null game, but I'm thinking that this wagon is not my pick.

I'll review the thread to be sure.

Eh.
VOTE: CCC
I really don't like this post:

My thoughts on the current top wagons:

Not_Mafia is a policy lynch. He's been pretty near silent. Then he put on two votes, claimed a gut scumread on Cheet and gave no explanation of the Gamma vote, and said Nero was town. That's a pretty pathetically minimal contribution to the state of the game, especially since having caught up, I suspect that the reason behind the Gamma vote was self-preservation (which is NAI because all roles benefit from self-preservation).

Gamma actually looks like scum for a variety of reasons, which I have gone over before.

So, I suspect that Not_Mafia is scum's mislynch for today. It's an easy wagon to push, since it's a policy lynch for a genuinely super-quiet player. It's also a wagon that does not reflect badly on scum-on-the-wagon if the slot flips Town. Therefore, I think that the only reason Not_Mafia's wagon has progressed so far, is that there is scum on it; if Not_Mafia is lynched today and flips Town, then I would recommend taking a very close look at everyone on that wagon tomorrow.

Currently, my vote is staying on Gamma/kraska77.

There's a lot that feels off with this post.
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Especially the "tomorrow I will pick at the wagon". Seems a lot more like setup for tomorrow than a genuine interest in parsing the wagon itself, especially since there's nothing specific being unpacked here.

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Also don't like the declaration of N_M being a policy lynch. The confidence there feels a little like it's coming from a place of too much information.

Because I'm Town?

I don't know how Cheetory's recognising that, mind you.

Also don't really like this post!
I'm kind of sucking at putting my feelings to thoughts tonight, but this is probably the only thing I feel anything for right now. If I have energy tomorrow I'll put more effort into sorting this if it doesn't just become a wagon.

The bolded portion is 100% how CCC thinks all the time. "Spare the unconfirmed and talk of the future where things are confirmed"

I think sounding "confidant" of a mislynch while not reading the players on a wagon, or breaking the wagon up, is an underlying commentary that CCC isn't that confidant at all. I don't disagree with your intal impression... normally that's a good point. However in this instance I think this isn't a correct.

I don't get the issue with the second post.

I don't think as scum I'd want to lynch a player that was sticking up for me like I was here for CCC. At least not until the game state had developed considerably (mid-late game)

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ok

grendel can be town

once nero posts a retort and hiraki gets back to me i think we should end the day before we get souped up in apathy again since i dont really see a direction we go in other than a nero lynch

[kraska77]

rn my list looks like this i think

people im positive are town: giga, cheetory, ccc, nottherealpaul,
people im townreading but dont really have a good reason to: backhand
probably town:hiraki, grendel
unreadable: slingshot, nm/vedith
scum: nero

[kraska77]

ugh ok my list is terrible

[MuttonChopMagic]

today's lynch pool is {vedith, nero} for me
and slingshot but nobody else agrees

[MuttonChopMagic]

kraska sell me on cheet and ccc
both are town leans but neither are green green greem

[Vedith]

today's lynch pool is {vedith, nero} for me
and slingshot but nobody else agrees

But I'm town, buddy!

[Grendel]

@Mutton

Sorry for the Garcia, but what were your concerns regarding Cheet?

I feel like my CCC read might be a personal thingy at this point. Maybe I can better articulate on it later.

[kraska77]

im worried that im townreading people just for being cooperative/active, everyone below town tier in my list has not been contibuting


pedit: cheet is just really strong gut read i guess...
ccc for the "my townreads are scumreading you so youre probably scum" shtick...i guess? ccc was pretty close to being lynched on day 1 so him continuing to justify almost every one of his reads with this line of logic doesnt seem like a thing scum would do. his reaction to his pressure and the way his reads and votes changed under pressure on day 1 all looks town to me

[MuttonChopMagic]

I was mostly asking kraska. as an ic, if they can lock town them we know it's real.
cheet hasn't been overly active, and hasn't been all that helpful in gamesolving ya feel
sure, they haven't hit any real scum notes for me, not in isolation at least
but any experienced player can look town in isolation it really isn't thst hard my dear
cheet is probably town because there's scummier people in the game
but he's hitting scum tells thst have let me catch very good players before so I can't lock town him myself all the same

[Backhand]

rn my list looks like this i think

people im positive are town: giga, cheetory, ccc, nottherealpaul,
people im townreading but dont really have a good reason to: backhand
probably town:hiraki, grendel
unreadable: slingshot, nm/vedith
scum: nero

I basically agree with this with the caveat that I would be very surprised if nero AND slingshot are scum. And slingshot/vedith/nero are much more flat than nero having a particular read. Agree with GT that we can start moving toward being done with the day.

[NotTheRealPaul]

Never been lynched D1 Grendel. Got lynched D2 in my only completed game

he meant slingshot lol

oh my im an idiot

[kraska77]

I would be very surprised if nero AND slingshot are scum

me too. part of why i dont like my list
nero's halfassed scumread on slingshot on day 1 felt more like using a convenient read on a scummy slot as copout from scumhunting than distancing from a partner

[MuttonChopMagic]

kraska, despite being an idiot you're being a good mason you
glad I didn't target nm like I was going to

[MuttonChopMagic]

wish I had a clear left to use on slingslot
alas, I thought

[gigabyteTroubadour]

how is kraska being an idiot