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Kelvin, I like this.In post 1638, Frosted Kelvin Bran wrote:Guys, I've lost count of how many people have said something to the effect of "only scum do this, so this person must be scum." It's super frustrating because it's a stupid and inaccurate thing to say. I've been asking this for several games now and never get an answer, but what are you going to do if you are wrong? Are you actually going to learn from that shit and realize that only fools and scum deal in absolutes? Or are you just gonna keep on keeping on with the same bullshit rhetoric? I'm asking because I'm trying to understand Mafia players better so that I can further figure out how to be a useful contributor.
-Kelvin
I try not to say only scum do this.
If a slot is anti-town and has no scumhunting, I lock SR it until it shows otherwise.
There's a difference between no town use and only scum do this.
If any theory is wrong, you step back and reevaluate.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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Then you don't lock SRread Ginnie because?In post 1651, Titus wrote:
Kelvin, I like this.In post 1638, Frosted Kelvin Bran wrote:Guys, I've lost count of how many people have said something to the effect of "only scum do this, so this person must be scum." It's super frustrating because it's a stupid and inaccurate thing to say. I've been asking this for several games now and never get an answer, but what are you going to do if you are wrong? Are you actually going to learn from that shit and realize that only fools and scum deal in absolutes? Or are you just gonna keep on keeping on with the same bullshit rhetoric? I'm asking because I'm trying to understand Mafia players better so that I can further figure out how to be a useful contributor.
-Kelvin
I try not to say only scum do this.
If a slot is anti-town and has no scumhunting, I lock SR it until it shows otherwise.
There's a difference between no town use and only scum do this.
If any theory is wrong, you step back and reevaluate.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I do. I just don't want one yet if I can lynch someone I actually think is scum. Aronis is tied for the lead wagon.In post 1645, A2 wrote:
I thought you LIKED Policy Lynches.In post 1644, Titus wrote:Being anti-town isn't always scummy.
I don't like Gingie's play and I wish they'd stop.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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He is scumhunting, even if annoying.In post 1652, MathBlade wrote:
Then you don't lock SRread Ginnie because?In post 1651, Titus wrote:
Kelvin, I like this.In post 1638, Frosted Kelvin Bran wrote:Guys, I've lost count of how many people have said something to the effect of "only scum do this, so this person must be scum." It's super frustrating because it's a stupid and inaccurate thing to say. I've been asking this for several games now and never get an answer, but what are you going to do if you are wrong? Are you actually going to learn from that shit and realize that only fools and scum deal in absolutes? Or are you just gonna keep on keeping on with the same bullshit rhetoric? I'm asking because I'm trying to understand Mafia players better so that I can further figure out how to be a useful contributor.
-Kelvin
I try not to say only scum do this.
If a slot is anti-town and has no scumhunting, I lock SR it until it shows otherwise.
There's a difference between no town use and only scum do this.
If any theory is wrong, you step back and reevaluate.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
GTKTitus Part 2
Titus Academy
VLA Friday nights until Sunday morning.
All hail the Scum Empress!-
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Shoutout to PJ and Nahdia for making my amazing new avi :)
Following the previous dozen pages that cropped up in the last 10 hours I would like to congratulate Ginngie for being drunk with distinction. - Vi-
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In Spyro I was annoyed because he was scumhunting me and as such I disrupted his attempts in scumhunting me.In post 1648, DrCirno wrote:
What makes it a misrep and not a faulty use of meta?In post 1643, A2 wrote:In post 1595, A2 wrote:
You misrepsenting Meta and taking it completely out of context is scummy.In post 1592, Ginngie wrote:You're saying outdated meta but it doesn't change the fact that voting someone because they're annoying and not because they're scummy, is scumfuck calling card.
Here I got annoyed with his posts and his play which I found anti-town at the time, so I voted him. And I'm not as much annoyed, moreso just interacting with scum.
It's misrep because it's not even similar to what's going on here.
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It's a policy lynch on scum.In post 1649, Ginngie wrote:It's not misrepresenting if I'm literally accurately describing something.
P-edit: So now I'm a policy lynch.
Please tell me more how you won't delve into my play and say why it's scum. This is fun
Duh.
You're going to give me this meta shit everytime I try to push you regardless of your alignment...You DO know that, right?-
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Ginggie, I don't care for this. You've convinced me Math will never die before you. Got it.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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wait a minuteIn post 1656, A2 wrote:You're going to give me this meta shit everytime I try to push you regardless of your alignment...You DO know that, right?
let this be clear
you're saying i'd use meta arguments on you regardless of alignments, yay or nayShoutout to PJ and Nahdia for making my amazing new avi :)
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Frosted Kelvin Bran Goon
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It's not about the meta and I'm not trying to be hung up on the past, honestly. But when I have a history with you where your reads are inaccurate, it makes it hard to trust your reads. Especially when you overstate how good your past reads were, as per Railgun. It doesn't make it sound like you've learned anything from those inaccurate reads. It's not like this is some far past thing either, this is within the last month or two.In post 1634, Titus wrote:
Masons I false scumread all the time. Reason, they are as fake as scum. So Nacho registering as scum for being fake was accurate. My tone changed after he flipped mason in girls for a reason. I own that's a weakness of mine.In post 1621, Frosted Kelvin Bran wrote:
I'm talking about Railgun, TItus. You didn't have the scum team pegged for shit. The only one you called of the three scum was me and that seemed to be mostly because you confbiased yourself into believing that Wisdom and I were scum together, even though we weren't. You didn't get any of the other scum.In post 1606, Titus wrote:
First, read the first posts. This game has 4 scum. So there's no way I have caught 1/3. Second, rather than saying pure luck, you'd learn more by seeing where I am right and wrong if you're using meta to discredit, go the full monte.In post 1593, Frosted Kelvin Bran wrote:
I didn't realize "got most of the scumteam" now meant "got 1/3 right by pure chance." See, this is why I can't trust your reads for a damn.In post 1578, Titus wrote:
Because A2 is awesome and obvious town.In post 1572, DrCirno wrote:
I would say "because you're scumreading him" butIn post 1569, Titus wrote:Hey Cirnio, talk to me about your Aronis read. Have you read? Is there anyone you don't want to throw off a cliff besides A2?
I got a townfeel from the cockiness after bulba called him town.
Also why would I not want to throw A2 off the cliff?
Is this going to be another game like railgun where I get move of the scumteam right but one anti-town guy drives it into the ground?
-Kelvin
And let's not forget nancy's game, where for most of the game, your scumreads were me, Nacho, and random other person that I don't think you were ever right about. And your scumread on me was because I attacked you for fairly legitimate reasons, given my lack of experience with you. But you just went on misreping me and actively refusing to even interact with me, no matter how many times I tried to engage you.
-Kelvin
My other weakness is jerks who fail to explain themselves. I am here engaging you now about my flaws and letting you rip into me in the hopes you'll actually listen. My reads have been evolving based on new data. But if you keep being hung up on the past, then this game will be harder.
Let the meta go.
Again, I'm not trying to attack you for that, but I want you to understand my perspective here and why I'm hesitant to follow your lead. I like you as a person and I really like the stuff you said in Titus Academy, but in game I sometimes feel like all that great game theory falls by the wayside with you. And I get it, to an extent, because I do the same thing. It's hard to operate idealistically when the whole meta on this site feels like it's the antithesis of cooperation and mutual understanding. But even then, that doesn't mean I can just make myself believe that what you're saying makes sense to me.
But I do like what I'm seeing this game. If nothing else, the fact that you've been willing to evolve on your reads is heartening to me (and is going to be really heartbreaking to me if you flip scum). I'm willing to try to work with you, but I need you to understand that I'm not going to agree with you all of the time. And if I don't see what you see, then I need you to be open to that and allow a dialogue to occur, rather than a shouting match or finger-pointing. If you can do that for me, I can try to start moving forward. Okay?
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I'm saying that anytime I would try to push you, you would attempt to use selfmeta to get me to not push you.In post 1659, Ginngie wrote:
wait a minuteIn post 1656, A2 wrote:You're going to give me this meta shit everytime I try to push you regardless of your alignment...You DO know that, right?
let this be clear
you're saying i'd use meta arguments on you regardless of alignments, yay or nay-
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In post 1656, A2 wrote:You misrepsenting Meta and taking it completely out of context is scummy.
????In post 1656, A2 wrote:You're going to give me this meta shit everytime I try to push you regardless of your alignment...You DO know that, right?Vote: DrCirno-
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I'm trying to communicate in the 2nd quote you quoted.In post 1661, A2 wrote:I'm saying that anytime I would try to push you, you would attempt to use selfmeta to get me to not push you.-
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Frosted Kelvin Bran Goon
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Why lock it then though? That makes it sound so obstinate and rigid.In post 1651, Titus wrote:
Kelvin, I like this.In post 1638, Frosted Kelvin Bran wrote:Guys, I've lost count of how many people have said something to the effect of "only scum do this, so this person must be scum." It's super frustrating because it's a stupid and inaccurate thing to say. I've been asking this for several games now and never get an answer, but what are you going to do if you are wrong? Are you actually going to learn from that shit and realize that only fools and scum deal in absolutes? Or are you just gonna keep on keeping on with the same bullshit rhetoric? I'm asking because I'm trying to understand Mafia players better so that I can further figure out how to be a useful contributor.
-Kelvin
I try not to say only scum do this.
If a slot is anti-town and has no scumhunting, I lock SR it until it shows otherwise.
There's a difference between no town use and only scum do this.
If any theory is wrong, you step back and reevaluate.
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Titus She/herMoon WalkerShe/her
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Of course. I know my weaknesses. I say them to try and foster a dialogue. Agreeing to disagree is ok. I felt like I could never get that in girls. I was correct the opening was fake because I had witnessed Nacho sort Tammy and he wasn't there. So even if you disagree, it's important to get to the essence.In post 1660, Frosted Kelvin Bran wrote:
It's not about the meta and I'm not trying to be hung up on the past, honestly. But when I have a history with you where your reads are inaccurate, it makes it hard to trust your reads. Especially when you overstate how good your past reads were, as per Railgun. It doesn't make it sound like you've learned anything from those inaccurate reads. It's not like this is some far past thing either, this is within the last month or two.In post 1634, Titus wrote:
Masons I false scumread all the time. Reason, they are as fake as scum. So Nacho registering as scum for being fake was accurate. My tone changed after he flipped mason in girls for a reason. I own that's a weakness of mine.In post 1621, Frosted Kelvin Bran wrote:
I'm talking about Railgun, TItus. You didn't have the scum team pegged for shit. The only one you called of the three scum was me and that seemed to be mostly because you confbiased yourself into believing that Wisdom and I were scum together, even though we weren't. You didn't get any of the other scum.In post 1606, Titus wrote:
First, read the first posts. This game has 4 scum. So there's no way I have caught 1/3. Second, rather than saying pure luck, you'd learn more by seeing where I am right and wrong if you're using meta to discredit, go the full monte.In post 1593, Frosted Kelvin Bran wrote:
I didn't realize "got most of the scumteam" now meant "got 1/3 right by pure chance." See, this is why I can't trust your reads for a damn.In post 1578, Titus wrote:
Because A2 is awesome and obvious town.In post 1572, DrCirno wrote:
I would say "because you're scumreading him" butIn post 1569, Titus wrote:Hey Cirnio, talk to me about your Aronis read. Have you read? Is there anyone you don't want to throw off a cliff besides A2?
I got a townfeel from the cockiness after bulba called him town.
Also why would I not want to throw A2 off the cliff?
Is this going to be another game like railgun where I get move of the scumteam right but one anti-town guy drives it into the ground?
-Kelvin
And let's not forget nancy's game, where for most of the game, your scumreads were me, Nacho, and random other person that I don't think you were ever right about. And your scumread on me was because I attacked you for fairly legitimate reasons, given my lack of experience with you. But you just went on misreping me and actively refusing to even interact with me, no matter how many times I tried to engage you.
-Kelvin
My other weakness is jerks who fail to explain themselves. I am here engaging you now about my flaws and letting you rip into me in the hopes you'll actually listen. My reads have been evolving based on new data. But if you keep being hung up on the past, then this game will be harder.
Let the meta go.
Again, I'm not trying to attack you for that, but I want you to understand my perspective here and why I'm hesitant to follow your lead. I like you as a person and I really like the stuff you said in Titus Academy, but in game I sometimes feel like all that great game theory falls by the wayside with you. And I get it, to an extent, because I do the same thing. It's hard to operate idealistically when the whole meta on this site feels like it's the antithesis of cooperation and mutual understanding. But even then, that doesn't mean I can just make myself believe that what you're saying makes sense to me.
But I do like what I'm seeing this game. If nothing else, the fact that you've been willing to evolve on your reads is heartening to me (and is going to be really heartbreaking to me if you flip scum). I'm willing to try to work with you, but I need you to understand that I'm not going to agree with you all of the time. And if I don't see what you see, then I need you to be open to that and allow a dialogue to occur, rather than a shouting match or finger-pointing. If you can do that for me, I can try to start moving forward. Okay?
-Kelvin
So your reads? How do I get through to QR?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
GTKTitus Part 2
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Ginngie Jack of All Trades
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In post 1657, Titus wrote:Ginggie, I don't care for this. You've convinced me Math will never die before you. Got it.Spoiler:Shoutout to PJ and Nahdia for making my amazing new avi :)
Following the previous dozen pages that cropped up in the last 10 hours I would like to congratulate Ginngie for being drunk with distinction. - Vi-
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It is rigid, until proven otherwise. Rauth has to do it.In post 1664, Frosted Kelvin Bran wrote:
Why lock it then though? That makes it sound so obstinate and rigid.In post 1651, Titus wrote:
Kelvin, I like this.In post 1638, Frosted Kelvin Bran wrote:Guys, I've lost count of how many people have said something to the effect of "only scum do this, so this person must be scum." It's super frustrating because it's a stupid and inaccurate thing to say. I've been asking this for several games now and never get an answer, but what are you going to do if you are wrong? Are you actually going to learn from that shit and realize that only fools and scum deal in absolutes? Or are you just gonna keep on keeping on with the same bullshit rhetoric? I'm asking because I'm trying to understand Mafia players better so that I can further figure out how to be a useful contributor.
-Kelvin
I try not to say only scum do this.
If a slot is anti-town and has no scumhunting, I lock SR it until it shows otherwise.
There's a difference between no town use and only scum do this.
If any theory is wrong, you step back and reevaluate.
-KelvinShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
GTKTitus Part 2
Titus Academy
VLA Friday nights until Sunday morning.
All hail the Scum Empress!-
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but the regardless of alignment part is what I'm getting at.In post 1661, A2 wrote:
I'm saying that anytime I would try to push you, you would attempt to use selfmeta to get me to not push you.In post 1659, Ginngie wrote:
wait a minuteIn post 1656, A2 wrote:You're going to give me this meta shit everytime I try to push you regardless of your alignment...You DO know that, right?
let this be clear
you're saying i'd use meta arguments on you regardless of alignments, yay or nay
Is it scummy or NAI cuz it sounds like you're saying it's NAI and also saying it's scummy.
P-edit: Fucking lol'd hard @KelvinShoutout to PJ and Nahdia for making my amazing new avi :)
Following the previous dozen pages that cropped up in the last 10 hours I would like to congratulate Ginngie for being drunk with distinction. - Vi-
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