In post 292, Infinity 324 wrote:"Beeboy is likely scum, but it's also possible he's town and vedith is scum"
"You're obvious scum!!!"
like I could be being duped but for example I don't think scum!Infinity goes to sarcasm this quickly, he's a lot more reserved and cautious in what I remember of his scumgames
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
that I feel like scum!Infinity makes when he's accused. Dismissive of the logic, but always a little cautious (asking questions) and diplomatic. He doesn't just post an annoyed sarcastic post
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
also sarcasm is not the exact right word but I'm pointing to how he's basically just taking the argument against him and mocking the core point of it in a blunt and annoyed way
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
In post 235, beeboy wrote:Like the way you are trying to portray the situation like I just panicked and backed away from my read when you confronted about it is just really bizarre.
in fact rereading this I really think you are projecting a lot of misrepping in my post that isn't there at all
everyone else please duo ISO myself and beeboy and read the exchange and tell me if you agree
can everyone who posted (and has not posted yet) since I originally posted this give me their thoughts on it
that includes you beeboy
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
he's completely done a 180 on java and beeboy and I don't think scum!inf would have needed to do that nor have faked it so messily
i like that he's chasing Vedith down on his meta townread of beeboy
and generally I see what looks like real efforts at sorting and honest tone coming from his posts. I just played with scum!Infinity in H4rdcore Mafia and I'm getting different vibes from him here
These are some good points. As scum did he tend to tunnel hardcore or was he more opportunistic in your opinion?
see this is the kind of thing that looks more to me like spreading paranoia than what Infinity did
do you think Wisdom is scum with Infinity? Or do you think he's town and you're just complaining that he moved his vote back to beeboy
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
In post 333, Javajoe24 wrote:These are some good points. As scum did he tend to tunnel hardcore or was he more opportunistic in your opinion?
In hardcore mafia he basically jumped on an easy NM mislynch and then fought against the D2 duppin mislynch. I don't really feel comfortable ascribing some kind of pattern to Infinity's voting behavior between his scum/town games, but the point I was making is that I do feel like scum!Infinity is a lot more cautious about responding when he's accused and usually puts in effort to fake "figuring out" the scumread on him, whereas here he was just kind of mocking the points against him.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
mostly that I can't follow along with why you think he's town
can you try to explain it
In post 112, beeboy wrote:See idk if I think he is town anymore. I thought his NM town read was super bad which and he wouldn't have such a read as scum.
Then I thought my question on 65 had a really obvious answer of "yes thats a legit read" and he also never told me if it was a pun or not so idk.
I want to say it isn't a pun and he is town but I am still thinking about it.
In post 167, Vedith wrote:Okay, so why voting Beeboy?
103 suggests this is where you are leaning most as scum, why should I vote with you?
it's mostly that he hasn't done anything. He wagoned java and then unvoted and gave a townread on Wisdom - which he walked back some when I pushed him on it - and that's it.
I haven't seen him actively trying to sort anyone yet. I get why some people are scumreading slimer but at least slimer is actually talking to people and asking questions
In post 235, beeboy wrote:
I questioned if it was a real read on NM so obv when I learned it wasn't the read wouldn't hold.
Like the way you are trying to portray the situation like I just panicked and backed away from my read when you confronted about it is just really bizarre.
Like how you portrayed how I backed off on my read when I was already in the process of trying to figure out whether or not I should back down on it before you confronted me about it.
Also saying I wrote off Wisdom as town due to a page 2 read felt kinda like a misrepresentation
.
this is the main reason I'm scumreading beeboy now and no one is really commenting on this
do you guys agree with what beeboy is saying here that I was "portraying the situation like [he] panicked"? Because I really don't think that's what I was doing at all.
I want some other opinions on whether this is town!beeboy genuinely paranoid of my intentions and making a mistake in reading too far in my posts, or if this is scum!beeboy trying to frame my comments as being more manipulative than they actually were
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
also my question wasn't really about what him jumping off the wagon
says
about his alignment, moreso like what's your read on Wisdom and how are you reading the situation
I'm asking you do you think Wisdom is town and you're just complaining at him, or are you calling it out because you think it could be scummy, and you're dodging
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
In post 340, GuiltyLion wrote:also my question wasn't really about what him jumping off the wagon
says
about his alignment, moreso like what's your read on Wisdom and how are you reading the situation
I'm asking you do you think Wisdom is town and you're just complaining at him, or are you calling it out because you think it could be scummy, and you're dodging
The situation is NAI. I answered that.
Wisdom moving his vote off is NAI - This means there's no scum or town motive that takes priority here imo.
Now, since you want to know my read on Wisdom. Town Wisdom would normally have called me scum, but as of recent it's shown that I don't read Wisdom too well (Wisdom can link the last game if he wants I forget which one it was) but I had him as scum from meta and was wrong.
So I'm open minded, but not decided.
In post 336, GuiltyLion wrote:do you guys agree with what beeboy is saying here that I was "portraying the situation like [he] panicked"? Because I really don't think that's what I was doing at all.
I want some other opinions on whether this is town!beeboy genuinely paranoid of my intentions and making a mistake in reading too far in my posts, or if this is scum!beeboy trying to frame my comments as being more manipulative than they actually were
I obviously disagree with beeboy here, and I think it's a stretch to claim that you were saying he crumbled under pressure. (I can see how it could be interpreted that way, but I'd think beeboy would also consider the option that you were just trying to point out that he backed up on the read).
However, I don't necessarily see what beeboy did as an intentional misrep, if only because town uses bad logic sometimes, especially against people who are scumreading them.
