Open 688: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Kelvin Smith]

UNVOTE: Titus

I'm inclined to agree with Titus that Math is a better lynch, since a town flip confirms Titus and a scum flip puts scrutiny on her. Not saying that's the lynch of the Day, of course. Need to gt a better handle on things first.

[Kelvin Smith]

I am right that Navy was C sheep, right?

Yes.

[Vedith]

No one is saying to lynch Titus. So No, Math is not the better lynch.
We have guaranteed Scum in docs. Although highly likely we don't have guaranteed Scum in cops.

[Kelvin Smith]

No one is saying to lynch Titus. So No, Math is not the better lynch.
We have guaranteed Scum in docs. Although highly likely we don't have guaranteed Scum in cops.

I mean, apparently Mutton was saying that, considering where my vote was, so...

I feel like cops are the more likely to contain scum, honestly. In my opinion, they've got more tactical advantage as a fakeclaim in this setup. For starters, I think people are more willing to lynch a Doc than a Cop. If they had to choose between having a 7th Doc claim and a 7th Cop claim, I imagine they would go Cop, with the exception being a scenario where at was a 4 Cop/6 Doc Split. I don't think most scum teams would put all their eggs in one basket like that. So right now, I'm speculating two scum in Cops, one in Docs. My speculation could be wrong, but I think it's worth considering.

[Kelvin Smith]

Thinking about it, I could see a strong argument for a Math lynch today. Town flip on Math and Docs could protect Titus. Scum flip and Cops could investigate her.

VOTE: MathBlade

Unless somebody has a better strategic plan.

[Vedith]

Yeah, we Lynch were there's confirmed Scum.

[Vedith]

Also, your Scum would prefer to claim cop as 7th than doc argument doesn't work. 1 - your slot claimed cop making it 7th 2 - there's 7 doc claims

[Kelvin Smith]

The only way I see Mutton as Scum is if there are 2 Scum in cops but i just don't see that. They already knew how many docs why would all 3 Scum claim cops with 5 claimed/flipped doc claims already?

What are you even talking about here? They know how many Cops and Docs are in the setup, so why would the number of people who claimed Cop or Doc matter? It would still come out eventually, so it's not a big deal.

[Kelvin Smith]

Yeah, we Lynch were there's confirmed Scum.

Yeah, no, I'm not going to support that right now unless I see a good strategic reason to. I want to hear from other people in terms of strategy here.

[Vedith]

Of course it matters.
If you're slot if Scum, then all 3 Scum originally claimed cop and that's why Mutton had to change. That is the only Scum motive for what Mutton did.

[Vedith]

Yeah, we Lynch were there's confirmed Scum.

Yeah, no, I'm not going to support that right now unless I see a good strategic reason to. I want to hear from other people in terms of strategy here.

Good luck, the only other people posting is Titus and Math.
I doubt Math will vote themselves and Titus wants to lynch within docs too.

The strategic reason is because we have guaranteed Scum in docs, not in cops.
I mean, is something wrong with people here? I have Titus who keeps saying I want a cop lynched and now you're saying that Math is the best lynch...
Maybe it's me saying stuff wrong... who the knows at this stage?

[Kelvin Smith]

Of course it matters.
If you're slot if Scum, then all 3 Scum originally claimed cop and that's why Mutton had to change. That is the only Scum motive for what Mutton did.

But I'm not, so that's irrelevant. Also, that logic still doesn't make any sense. Like, Mutton would know that there were also going to be 7 Doc claims after switching, so why draw attention to himself by ever switching? It's not rocket science or anything.

[Vedith]

That's my argument over it.
Honestly... is this communication problem on my side or what?

[Kelvin Smith]

Yeah, we Lynch were there's confirmed Scum.

Yeah, no, I'm not going to support that right now unless I see a good strategic reason to. I want to hear from other people in terms of strategy here.

Good luck, the only other people posting is Titus and Math.
I doubt Math will vote themselves and Titus wants to lynch within docs too.

The strategic reason is because we have guaranteed Scum in docs, not in cops.
I mean, is something wrong with people here? I have Titus who keeps saying I want a cop lynched and now you're saying that Math is the best lynch...
Maybe it's me saying stuff wrong... who the knows at this stage?

Alternatively, you aren't thinking about this very strategically. Yes, there is guaranteed scum in the Docs, but who cares? We'd just be shooting in the dark with no strategic advantage. Unless all scum claimed Doc, which would be the most ludicrous thing ever, then there is guaranteed scum in the Cops too. There's not some magical third party of roles. It's a binary. By randomly flailing around and lynching random Docs until we hit scum, we're just gonna end up mislynching Docs. On the other hand, if we use an actual fucking strategy, maybe we can actually get something done. This game is salvageable and can be fun as fuck, despite what the general attitude apparently is.

[Vedith]

I'd actually lynch you over Math.
So sure, let's go with your plan.

Otherwise you can vote Navy and we can lynch Scum.

[Kelvin Smith]

I'd actually lynch you over Math.
So sure, let's go with your plan.

Otherwise you can vote Navy and we can lynch Scum.

Convince me that Navy is scum, otherwise my vote is staying on Math until somebody gives me a better strategic play.

[Vedith]

That's fine. I'll leave my vote on you until the Navy votes actually start.

[Kelvin Smith]

That's fine. I'll leave my vote on you until the Navy votes actually start.

But why, though? Talk to me here. What about a Math lynch doesn't make sense to you? Do you townread MathBlade?

[Kelvin Smith]

Vedith, do you suddenly scumread my slot or are you purposely voting Town for the pure hell of it? Like, even if Navy is scum from your perspective, why is one of your townreads the only other wagon you're willing to entertain?

[Titus]

Kelvin, who do you think is the scum doctor? Let's lynch them.

[MathBlade]

Titus why are you letting scum mislynch me?

I have an innocent on you. Like I don't get it? Like we don't have any scum lynches this would throw the game into the toilet just so everyone would confirm you. Then you'd have to insta break the game.

[Kelvin Smith]

Kelvin, who do you think is the scum doctor? Let's lynch them.

How could I possibly have an opinion on this? I replaced into a 75 page game three hours ago and made it clear that I had no intention of read it.

On top of that, I don't do reads. I don't trust my reads. Right now, every fiber of my being is telling me to lynch MathBlade, Vedith, and you if Math flips scum. But I've intereacted with nobody, so it's assuredly a paranoid and biased viewpoint.

Luckily, we're in a setup where we can apply some semblance of actual strategy, so my inability to formulate good reads is less of a hindrance. So let's do something strategic instead. As I've said multiple times, suggest a better strategy and I'll consider it. Right now, lynching Docs isn't a sound strategy and lynching Cops with no results is suboptimal. So I want to lynch MathBlade and either confirm you as town or determine that you are a worthwhile Cop target.

[MathBlade]

Kelvin, who do you think is the scum doctor? Let's lynch them.

How could I possibly have an opinion on this? I replaced into a 75 page game three hours ago and made it clear that I had no intention of read it.

On top of that, I don't do reads. I don't trust my reads. Right now, every fiber of my being is telling me to lynch MathBlade, Vedith, and you if Math flips scum. But I've intereacted with nobody, so it's assuredly a paranoid and biased viewpoint.

Luckily, we're in a setup where we can apply some semblance of actual strategy, so my inability to formulate good reads is less of a hindrance. So let's do something strategic instead. As I've said multiple times, suggest a better strategy and I'll consider it. Right now, lynching Docs isn't a sound strategy and lynching Cops with no results is suboptimal. So I want to lynch MathBlade and either confirm you as town or determine that you are a worthwhile Cop target.

And this is a horrible strategy.

You are lynching Town to confirm more Town when the NKs will do it for you.

Instead you should be on who you think scum is.

Then again I don't blame you. You have a scum spot so it is easy to go with the grain.

[Kelvin Smith]

Titus why are you letting scum mislynch me?

I have an innocent on you. Like I don't get it? Like we don't have any scum lynches this would throw the game into the toilet just so everyone would confirm you. Then you'd have to insta break the game.

1. Who is scum?

2. How are two votes on you tantamount to scum "mislynching" you? That seems like some really manipulative shit.

3. How would it throw the game in the toilet? We've still got Cops on the board, so we can get info in later days.

4. Unless you die or another Cop clears you, your data is fucking useless to us. And then we'd have to clear that Cop and so on.

5. Apparently this game is in a rough state anyway. So I'd argue the game is already in the toilet. If that's the case, let's start operating strategically.

[MathBlade]

Furthermore you all are assuming after mislynching me there is a doctor that can act that night.

It is random according to the wiki. There is no world in lynching an outed cop is the proper play. None.