Mini Normal 1914 - Sunshine Mafia - Game Over

[Nachomamma8]

If he killed himself he would have to target scum to do so. If scum decided to kill him for some insane reason he'd still register motion because he would be targeted.

[MarioManiac4]

Basically your argument is that you have no idea what happened and nothing really makes sense but Syndesis is lock scum because of it.

What am I missing?

Not really. My argument is that, well,

although I don't agree with the Mafia's choices, they only make any sense whatsoever if Syndesis is scum.

Think of the scenario you're suggesting; Vedith commits sudoku, Mafia kill a player- that's incredibly obvious, isn't it? That Vedith is the one who rolls up dead, with no suspicion stated, and flipping Weak Doctor? The NoKill, although it grants us an extra mislynch, adds an extra layer of WIFOM that ends up bringing Syndesis out of the firing range. It's certainly working in a sense- people want to lynch me today more than they want to lynch Syndesis. Yeah, such a scenario is unlikely and a bad move- yet I have yet to see one explanation for what happened last night with Syndesis!town that doesn't break down under simple logic (i.e "mafia could win the game.")

[MarioManiac4]

If he killed himself he would have to target scum to do so. If scum decided to kill him for some insane reason he'd still register motion because he would be targeted.

Yeah. So, really, the only way Vedith has motion is if he killed himself. Learning that he killed himself, we learn, "Oh, well then, Syn has to be scum, right?" Because she does.

[Nachomamma8]

If he killed himself he would have to target scum to do so. If scum decided to kill him for some insane reason he'd still register motion because he would be targeted.

Yeah. So, really, the only way Vedith has motion is if he killed himself. Learning that he killed himself, we learn, "Oh, well then, Syn has to be scum, right?" Because she does.

Or he made the kill...?

[MarioManiac4]

If he killed himself he would have to target scum to do so. If scum decided to kill him for some insane reason he'd still register motion because he would be targeted.

Yeah. So, really, the only way Vedith has motion is if he killed himself. Learning that he killed himself, we learn, "Oh, well then, Syn has to be scum, right?" Because she does.

Or he made the kill...?

Ok I'm dumb

[MarioManiac4]

Basically your argument is that you have no idea what happened and nothing really makes sense but Syndesis is lock scum because of it.

What am I missing?

Not really. My argument is that, well,

although I don't agree with the Mafia's choices, they only make any sense whatsoever if Syndesis is scum.

Think of the scenario you're suggesting; Vedith commits sudoku, Mafia kill a player- that's incredibly obvious, isn't it? That Vedith is the one who rolls up dead, with no suspicion stated, and flipping Weak Doctor? The NoKill, although it grants us an extra mislynch, adds an extra layer of WIFOM that ends up bringing Syndesis out of the firing range. It's certainly working in a sense- people want to lynch me today more than they want to lynch Syndesis. Yeah, such a scenario is unlikely and a bad move- yet I have yet to see one explanation for what happened last night with Syndesis!town that doesn't break down under simple logic (i.e "mafia could win the game.")

this point stands though- dunno what happened if synd isnt scum

[Nachomamma8]

The NoKill, although it grants us an extra mislynch, adds an extra layer of WIFOM that ends up bringing Syndesis out of the firing range.

And instead of just having to mislynch you, Dunker/Syn now has to mislynch you and me.

That is beyond dumb - that is absolutely nonsensical. This is the gambit equivalent of no lynching on day 1 to "throw scum off". You can craft a theory that makes slightly more sense than whatever alternative but considering your theory still requires a scumteam that very sincerely and completely fucked up, I'm of the school of thought that we thank them for the nice mislynch and move on. I don't understand how anyone can even pretend to climb into the minds of this scumteam.

[MarioManiac4]

whatever, fine.
i don't see why syndesis as town is making no effort to figure the game out (might be disengaged, but i think there'd at least be an attempt there) and why she didn't shoot on night 1 or night 2.

[MarioManiac4]

i stand by the fake clear being the most likely explanation but nobody cares about that so

[Nachomamma8]

Think of the scenario you're suggesting; Vedith commits sudoku, Mafia kill a player- that's incredibly obvious, isn't it?

Like any theory that requires a scumteam killing one of their own at night to be "incredibly obvious" already has a bit of a bad premise. Vedith was in a better position that Syndesis was yesterday. Vedith was willing to put in more work than Syndesis was. Vedith sacrificing himself for her would be weird.

[TwoFace]

Finally nacho says something I agree with.

[TwoFace]

I'm sorry if that came out harsh.

[Syndesis]

I'm sorry, I've had kind of a roller coaster last couple of days and don't really have energy for this game. However, this is now my sole ongoing game, so I will have lots and lots of time for things like isos! and content! and what the hell is this game anyway!

[I Am Innocent]

Sorry still don't see how this is town.

[MarioManiac4]

it's not

[TwoFace]

I didn't see how btd was town and look what happened. People just play like shit. Welcome to mafiascum.net.

[MarioManiac4]

isn't it annoying when you have to play with human beings

[TwoFace]

Especially humans who don't care

[TwoFace]

I feel I'm becoming one of those now.

[Syndesis]

after long deliberation I have decided that mario is scum and that his partner is either dany or iai

VOTE: MarioManiac4

[Syndesis]

why, you ask?

mafia must have believed there was a large chance I would shoot correctly or they would have shot someone and endgamed

mafia must also have believed that mylo where I was conftown was worse than our present scenario (eg one day before lylo where they can still peddle paranoia about me)

specifically, mario is basically guaranteed to be lynched if I am confirmed

thus he is the one who gains the most by no killing

his play pattern today also fits the mold of scum trying to doubtcast me

iirc iai is probably a better fit here than dany but I need to check some things

[MarioManiac4]

you literally spent an entire day tunnelling dany and ended up shooting vedith (super convenient btw) why would I think you would have the highest chance of shooting me lmao
also you implying i would nokill under the impression I wouldnt get lynched instead of just, idk, killing an universal townread and calling that a reason is more "doubtcasting"
you coming around to this read which is basically an extended version of "i am town, therefore mario is scum" at such a convenient time is also highly weird.
did you ever even explain why you didn't shoot n1/n2?

[Dunkerdoodles]

Can we just lynch either Mario or syn and lynch the other tommorrow if they flip town? Syn has proof he's vig, but Mario doesn't have proof he's motion sensor which is why I think we should lynch Mario today.

[MarioManiac4]

Syn has proof he's vig

X

[TwoFace]

So you think scum vedith who was not under suspicion sacrificed himself to prove a fake vig claim?