Mini 1924: Mountainish Mafia GAME OVER!!!

[Aristophanes]

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Carcalilly

(4): Nosferatu 92, Zachstralkita 118, Blabche 119, GinghamDog 140

Vedith

(1): Lycanfire 27

Dwlee99

(1): Carcalilly 64

Blanche

(1): Vedith 162

Not Voting

(6): shaddowez, DisplayName, Dunnstral, Dwlee99, Kinetic, Vijarada

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch
The day will end on Sunday, July 16/17 at 9pm EST or in (expired on 2017-07-16 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Kraska head of Blanche is V/LA until further notice.
All slots which have not confirmed yet have until tonight to do so! If they fail to do this, I will start searching for replacements!

[Zachstralkita]

Well let me preface this by saying kraska and giga have never scumposted to me before so my POV is definitely unique considering how scummy they are this game IMO

Spoiler:

3. The Mafia will have an appointed "Godfather" to make their kills.

on a more serious note though kraska and i have been trying to figure out what the mechanical purpose of this is but we cant think of anything

the rolecop is obvious but??

this should come up later in the game

This is the first post you make. We discuss this point later but you come blasting out of the gate with mechanic discussion and your play that follows is "Hey. WHY ARE YOU RVSING IN RVS? I'M NOT RVSING! IN RVS!"

VOTE: shaddowez

no thoughts on the above?

VOTE: zach

This was a joke to me - from your later posts we see that it apparently isn't

zach is actually worrying me btw and i really hope im not underestimating him

This was a joke to me - from your later posts we see that it apparently isn't

So my response to this initially is what the fuck are you talking about? Was the impression that you can read me? Are you underestimating my scumplay or my townplay? Where is the logical basis to actually hold this off of one RVS vote?



both of these are in response to a fucking obvious RVS vote LMFAO

i thought zach would have a better attention to detail - especially when it came to us

let me not specify and try to guilt trip zach for not knowing things that he doesn't know? LOL

I said everything I had to say about godfather discussion as we went into this conversation

thats fine zach

just vote vedith or anyone who isnt lycan or me and you can be town too

Yeah, don't do this town leader bullshit with me, I don't follow it from anyone

I know you kinda play like you're obvtown but I never usually take issue with that because I usually tr you.

If your behavior is scummy to me I'm going to seek clarification and possibly vote you. If in lieu of substantive responses(which I need to sort) you act like you're obv town and I'm just the one that doesn't know it, I'm going to lynch you.

wow dunn really is right about you zach

zach, what are your thoughts on the mechanic i pointed out earlier?

and the reactions that followed, too.

Dunn has woven several slanderous tales thereof pertaining to my character

i mean

kraska put in a good word for you but

i like to focus what's going on in the now you know

Literally zero clue what this even means. Was bolded referring to my "super scummy" RVS vote on you?

Also look at the top of this post : "The REACTIONS that followed later"

We'll get to that

if you're referring to zach, yes

if you're referring to you, no

This is the post that indicates you having me scumread for a "night 0 guilty peek" in RVS is not a joke. It's uh.. wonderful really

No one reacted to this itself though

Which is the post of all these posts which has the most to do with the game


I thought that's what "reactions"


Side note idk why you just came out firing out of the gate lol that was weird


You know people are going to RVS.

i think dunn at least acknowledged it - as he should

vedith completely ignored it until i pressed him on it and gave a bad reaction (though it's actually a reaction i can see him giving as town so i'm going to hold off on voting there - feel free to sheep him but i'm putting my vote elsewhere)

gingham i guess i'm highlighting more for my general shenanigans but i think there's stuff to talk about there

and rvs is boring - the game's gotta go 0 to 100 you know thats how you catch scum off balance

I respond to this below

How are you catching anyone off balance exactly? Scum not coming into day one without hitting their PT

you'd be surprised actually

i know exactly what i'm doing

How are you catching anyone off balance exactly? Scum not coming into day one without hitting their PT

you'd be surprised actually

i know exactly what i'm doing

Great, you're way more skilled than me. You didn't explain anything though so your reply to the question means jack shit in terms of my question being answered and you are trying to maintain that it does?

and wait now you're starting to confuse me - i agree that no one besides vedith (and you) has like directly talked to me about the mechanics post but what should i be steam emoji'ing at?

like this is why "i'm worried about you" is exactly how i should feel about you right now

I should have answered this then. I don't want to do all these fucking quotes but the gist of it is you posed mechanics discussion in post 6 RVS right out of the gate.

And then

VOTE: shaddowez

no thoughts on the above?

@blanche, if you're town why would zach's post strike you as anything more than a page one joke?

i guess maybe i'm being a bit less general than i should but theres already been some interesting stuff going on here on page 2






all thanks to me

The "interesting stuff" that you maintain your discussion generated is nothing at all. At the time, I was the only person who actually talked about the godfather mechanic or seriously acknowledeged it in any fashion. Everything else can't be chalked up to a reaction to your discussion. If you cared so much about pushing the game from 0-1000 as you stated earlier you would be upset no one's discussing the fucking mechanic, and not at me for RVS voting you. Instead you spend the first few pages with a vote on me and a few offhanded comments elsewhere for a reason I don't fully know...

nah






we can revisit you later

VOTE: zach

Again reinforcing a scumread that I'm assuming was never a joke. Where then is the basis for it - even if the read changed

i'm not sure how i feel about him just yet

i'll feel him out soon enough.

No you won't? What are you going to feel out LOL it's clear the read was off to a rough start already

Aye I might just make a bloc with Vedith.

is this one of those things were you gambit like that roman guy and make blocs with scum

Vedith isn't really scum though at all

VOTE: Vedith

vedith will not be town here. discuss while the inevitable lynch goes through.

remember this folks

Lycan's post doesn't mean anything. case Vedithscum

Spoiler: 113

carcalilly is town

Okay, I just need you to defend this.

Anyway, this is Mountainish (no roles???) with an end-all town role and a mafia rolecop?????

? Were you assuming, knowing that this was a closed setup, that since it appeared scumsided it was definitely completely scumsided and town was set up to lose? Just wondering. It doesn't make sense.

IDK I'm questioning the balance and the actual setup. It's closed so all we can do is speculate

Definitely an implication of closed setups... yes.

then let's fight

the mafia mechanic discussion is at least more pro-town if you really want to go the setup spec discussion because scum probably have insight to what it means while town doesnt

all we know is that we cant let the mysterious role die and thats all we really

should

know (unless you know what that role is??)

so why not discuss the godfather mechanic instead?

Oh yeah but how do we do that exactly? Doctors? No, it's mountainish? Claim before lynch? Now the mafia will get them.

Godfather mechanic is a lot less interesting Imo. :')

Again, are you assuming town has nothing to combat scum advantage? In what way is that logical?


And if you're assuming otherwise, what benefit does discussing it like this have? At all?


Please help me clarify BC scummy

Well one, I was confused because there are technically roles in a no-role mechanic. I'm pretty sure mountainish means all VT and goons but apparently not here.

So if town does actually have other PRs then it's not mountainish and Ari lied to us all.

OK so look at out confirmed information:
-Mafia has a ROLECOP
-Town has an END-ALL role
-The game is titled "mountainish"

So during the night, mafia can probably rolecop one player, then kill another. That's clearing out two. If that's all there really is then in must be easy for them to find that role.

Also, the benefits have already taken action.

Power roles are not the only thing that can influence the game in town's favor.. that's why you're so scummy


in case its not evident im looking at Carca and Blanche here

[Zachstralkita]

In a setup where we're already weak, PoEing town's potential utilities and highlighting the one weakness we all know as a discussion point on mechanics is really... out there, to say the least.


VOTE: Carcalilly



Y not

Out there is how to play m9

Your comments on the rest of the game state are very minimal

[Dunnstral]

[Blanche]

zach the main issue i take with your scumread of me is that a significant part of it hinges on me scumreading you for your rvs post which isn't the case

it

worries me

and continues to. i'm townreading you at the moment and yet you continue to worry me. and if you keep doing things like insinuating i'm scum and townbloccing with vedith then i will continue to worry about you

i'll address the rest of it later i have shit to do rn

either way we should focus on carcalilly who i at the very least agree is scum.

pedit: see dunn gets it

[Zachstralkita]

zach the main issue i take with your scumread of me is that a significant part of it hinges on me scumreading you for your rvs post which isn't the case

Okay so what would I have "worried" you for at that point in time



cause it was genuine when it happened

The part of my argument where I talk about your response to the "reactions" does not rely on this, though.

and if you keep doing things like insinuating i'm scum and

"players cannot have a scumread on me or they will be scummy"

I think you know what my problem is with this one

townbloccing with vedith then i will continue to worry about you

It's fine if you scumread him but I can bloc with anyone. I'll be able to townread him correctly too if necessary.





Carca scummier anyway btw so you don't need to act like you're a huge SR for me when realistically, I'm not going to have a concrete reads list early game when people have barely played.

[Zachstralkita]

Dunn doesn't really get it..

[Vijarada]

also vij probtown

I'very told u before that I intentionally use lmao a lot and no caps to coast on garbage town reads like this one. Do better.

[Lycanfire]

snip

don't really like how carcalilly is doubling down on being lynchbait. game without daytalk i would assume vedithtown for avoiding lynchbait. meaningless here

[Blanche]

also vij probtown

I'very told u before that I intentionally use lmao a lot and no caps to coast on garbage town reads like this one. Do better.

this ^ is probably scum. i have yet to see town scoff off early townreads on them... this is scummy self-consciousness
-kraska

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Dwlee

you don't know who I am but I know who you are

That is a bit freaky.

On subject, I don't think carcalilly talking about the setup is a scumtell like people seemed to have reacted to it as.

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: Dwlee

you don't know who I am but I know who you are

That is a bit freaky.

On subject, I don't think carcalilly talking about the setup is a scumtell like people seemed to have reacted to it as.

I just remember playing a game with you on my alt like two years ago lol

Also that location

UNVOTE: Dwlee

Carca scummier anyway

I'm scummier than scum.

[GinghamDog]

UNVOTE: Carcalilly
172 reads townish to me, and the last few posts do make her look like an easy push

[Dunnstral]

Dunn doesn't really get it..

[Dunnstral]

also vij probtown

I'very told u before that I intentionally use lmao a lot and no caps to coast on garbage town reads like this one. Do better.

this ^ is probably scum. i have yet to see town scoff off early townreads on them... this is scummy self-consciousness
-kraska

Oh no

Is blanche scum

[Blanche]

UNVOTE: Carcalilly
172 reads townish to me, and the last few posts do make her look like an easy push

sometimes scum are easy pushes and this is one of them

why does 172 read like town? it's not like she didnt already know what she found, and she's confusing "mountainous" with "mountainish" which seems odd to me

like her setup spec thought process is really janky and doesnt add up

also vij probtown

I'very told u before that I intentionally use lmao a lot and no caps to coast on garbage town reads like this one. Do better.

this ^ is probably scum. i have yet to see town scoff off early townreads on them... this is scummy self-consciousness
-kraska

Oh no

Is blanche scum

dunn i thought you were sensibl e.... or that we were at least a gree'n on things.... :/

dont tell me i have to worry about you too




anyway i have to handle the first sock puppet head im worried about but i'll talk to you later

(although i do kind of disagree with kraska's read here on vij and i would like to talk to her about it in the pt)

[shaddowez]

Sorry for being late to the game.

Dunn

- What makes you think the game is 9:4? Considering there's a town role that can lose us the game, don't you think that having such a small townpool makes this extremely scumsided? Also, if you're "worried" about Zach, why aren't you interacting more and trying to actually get a read?

i have yet to see town scoff off early townreads on them

Actually, I'm the exact opposite. If somebody forms a TR on me with no good reason, I'm suspicious.

I don't like how dwlee pops in for 1 post and purely responds to a post about him.

I've got a town read on Lycan for his interactions around the carca read. I really like Vedith's 144 and 156. They both dig into motivation and reasoning.

Blanche seems to be forming some pretty strong opinions, yet not really trying to drive a wagon, they're just jumping around wherever there seems to be any sort of traction. Their interaction about Zach paying more "attention to detail" is weird, and they have a lot of posts, but not really much in them.

VOTE: Blanche

More to come in a bit.

[Blanche]

This is the first post you make.

nope - the vote above it is and is equally important if not more.

unless you're vedith.

call it a trifling detail if you want but that rvs post is the most important post of this game

This was a joke to me - from your later posts we see that it apparently isn't

i'm aware you thought that your vote is a joke but i legitimately thought that you would pick up on why i'm not a good vote from your point of you from my first two posts. i'm mistaken, and that's fine I guess but now I have to find another way to help you piece this together.

So my response to this initially is what the fuck are you talking about? Was the impression that you can read me? Are you underestimating my scumplay or my townplay? Where is the logical basis to actually hold this off of one RVS vote?

both of these are in response to a fucking obvious RVS vote LMFAO

The impression was actually that you can read me - if i have to be more obvious about it i can try but i'm not sure if it's sensibl e for me to. but i really dont want to underestimate your abilities here.

the vote was more to get your attention and at least show that you're who i'm focusing on. not an indication of a scumread.

Yeah, don't do this town leader bullshit with me, I don't follow it from anyone

I know you kinda play like you're obvtown but I never usually take issue with that because I usually tr you.

If your behavior is scummy to me I'm going to seek clarification and possibly vote you. If in lieu of substantive responses(which I need to sort) you act like you're obv town and I'm just the one that doesn't know it, I'm going to lynch you.

in that case you're going to find yourself extremely confused most of this game - your opinion here is fine normally but this game is not going to be played conventionally and you will have to adapt here.

if you need to sort me that's fine, just... expect me to continue to be off for as long as you're confused about this (and i'm "worried" about you). once you townread me what i'm doing will be crystal clear.

Literally zero clue what this even means. Was bolded referring to my "super scummy" RVS vote on you?

Also look at the top of this post : "The REACTIONS that followed later"

We'll get to that

bolded refers to the fact that kraska saying you would pick up on what we planned not happening and that i still need to adapt.

Great, you're way more skilled than me. You didn't explain anything though so your reply to the question means jack shit in terms of my question being answered and you are trying to maintain that it does?

i didn't want to answer it

on the grounds it might be incriminating

(ethel rosenburg quote lms if u got it)

when carcalilly and vedith flip scum you'll see why my posting caught scum off balance. i'd love to say more but i cant

anyway, i'll case vedith right after this

pedit: and here's someone else to be worried about

[Blanche]

Blanche seems to be forming some pretty strong opinions, yet not really trying to drive a wagon, they're just jumping around wherever there seems to be any sort of traction. Their interaction about Zach paying more "attention to detail" is weird, and they have a lot of posts, but not really much in them.

More people need to post before I seriously push Carcalilly and Vedith but those are the only acceptable lynches today at the moment.

My early game generally consists of pushing wherever the people I want to sort are pushing - hence my vote on you and then Carcalilly. I don't see how this is scummy.

And anyway, you're not lynching us this game - we're as innocent as ethel rosenburg

[Vedith]

Gigga, you call me scum every game.
You know when the boy calls wolf in that book?

Yeah, you're that annoying little shit.

[Blanche]

I really like Vedith's 144 and 156. They both dig into motivation and reasoning.

They really don't.

144 is run of the mill mudslinging. Vedith is scum and has really no reason to question the godfather mechanic - asking me what he thinks I gained from it is a product of that thought process. To town, knowing that I'm bringing attention to it is key to solving the game.

I also never asked him to vote Carcalilly and I don't care where he decides to vote. He's trying to rile up a reaction from me to mudsling even more.

His response to 152 in 156 I'm also not really sure how this is "really getting into my motivations"? I already said why I don't care where he votes, it's like page 9. The game still needs to flow organically to find interactions between scum so that I don't have to do all the heavily lifting for the rest of the town.

His questioning is scum motivated.

pedit: keep trying vedith

[Zachstralkita]

also vij probtown

I'very told u before that I intentionally use lmao a lot and no caps to coast on garbage town reads like this one. Do better.

this ^ is probably scum. i have yet to see town scoff off early townreads on them... this is scummy self-consciousness
-kraska

Oh no

Is blanche scum

LMFAO

VOTE: Dwlee

you don't know who I am but I know who you are

That is a bit freaky.

On subject, I don't think carcalilly talking about the setup is a scumtell like people seemed to have reacted to it as.

No one is taking issue with her talking about the setup though it's the specific way she did it..

"What does town have to combat scum" = "What information can we give away"

UNVOTE: Dwlee

Carca scummier anyway

I'm scummier than scum.

this doesn't help lol


What are your scumreads looking like?








@Blanche okay guess I won't night dayvig you haha which is impossible in this setup! haha!

[Zachstralkita]

144 Vedith town imo

[Blanche]

144 Vedith town imo

bad read but we can get carcalilly first

vedith is still a pretty transparent partner (his scumread of me came out of nowhere until i started pushing her, he was showing hints of scumreading gingham dog's vote of carca too)

[Zachstralkita]

Wait did you refer to us as motherfucking sock puppets?


We don't have to take this behavior Dunn,

we can seize the memes of production and eliminate Blanche