OPEN 687: JUNGLE OLIGARCHY (GAME OVER)

[CommKnight]

Votecount FINAL

• (LYNCH)

  Dunnstral
  - Vedith, Realeo, havingfitz, RadiantCowbells
  
  (1)

  CommKnight
  - Dunnstral
  
  (0)
  Realeo
  
  (2)

  Vedith
  - CommKnight, kmd4390
  
  (0)
  RadiantCowbells
  
  (0)
  kmd4390
  
  (0)
  havingfitz
  
  
  (0)
  Not Voting
  
  With
  7
  alive, it's
  4
  to lynch.
  Deadline in
  (expired on 2017-07-10 23:00:00)
  (July 10^th).
  
  
  Mod Notes:
  Mod will be V/LA this weekend. Apologies if things go a little slower.

Even on D4 KMD was not on mafia wagon. I don't think he's wolf, he'd have gladly voted Dunn over Vedith if that were the case.

VOTE: Vedith

Honestly this vote count speaks louder than the some crud scum will make up today to survive.

RC is town or mafia. Not wolf.
KMD is town or mafia. Not wolf.

That leaves fitz, Vedith and Realeo for wolves. I can bet you Vedith is indeed wolf. But who his buddy is out of fitz and Realeo is something we'll have to figure out tomorrow. If mafia doesn't work with town today him and his faction loses. So Vedith lynch is the best lynch.

[CommKnight]

So the question remains, who's gonna hard defend Vedith today?

[Kmd4390]

Comm remind me why you don't think radiant is wolf.

[CommKnight]

Comm remind me why you don't think radiant is wolf.

He's been actually trying to solve the game and push lynches onto scum. Plus he wasn't really heading the Dunn lynch.

Now tell me more about your reads on Fitz.

[Kmd4390]

Going back to that first night I was on the list and didn't die, I think gamma would have kept me alive. I was townreading him and I don't think I ever said anything that would suggest otherwise. That day, I started to think the wolves were players I'd been townreading. Gamma, realeo, and hellfire all fit there. Havingfitz voting me yesterday for being at work didn't sit right either.

[Realeo]

If neither of KMD or RC is werewolf, how do you explain nightkill of Dave and RC switching with you, Commknight?

[RadiantCowbells]

If neither of KMD or RC is werewolf, how do you explain nightkill of Dave and RC switching with you, Commknight?

Realeo, why would this matter?

[Realeo]

I'm testing the possibility of Kmd/Vedith. Because why werewolf decided to kill dave when they can kill kmd and dave can mislynch hellfire.

[Realeo]

The logical conclusion of that is probably "RC/KMD" is werewolf, but then they retracted RC which probably shouts "Mafia RC" but now BTD pushed RC.

The problem of that night kill is that both faction plays not optimally.

[RadiantCowbells]

Please don't do a Titus thing where you assume that you could correctly predict faction's night actions. You have no idea what either faction was thinking at night.

[Realeo]

Uh ok. The conclusion was RC is town but now you stopped my thought experiment so yeah.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay if the conclusion is that I'm town then do whatever you want.

[Realeo]

But I still need help testing Kmd/Vedith. If it doesn't fly, then I prolly go for kmd/fitz.

Let me pull quotes later.

[Realeo]

Since you reread RC, then you would prolly remember that I scumread Umlaut/Vedith.

Vote Vedith

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^this was your slot, vedith. Trihexa was obvscum, but we (myself included) got distracted by theta being scummy town. Day 1 lynch was pretty bad, but we were missing if we'd done theta anyway.

N1 mafia gave a list of hellfire, dave, and delta. Delta died after being basically invisible Day 1 while people had mixed views on hellfire and dave.

Day 2 we lynched theta. Town.

N2 list was hellfire, dave, and myself. Same as N1 but with me added in. Dunn was the only one scumreading me if I'm not mistaken. Dave was killed. Town.

Now scum outnumber us. We're probably lynching you or hellfire. Dunn is also possible maybe.

The case on hellfire is basically that he was on mafia's list both nights and fits the profile if scum put themself on the lists.

The reason why I made him scumread him was Vedith scumread kmd specifically werewolf for simplistic reason.

I mean, if Vedih scumread kmd

in general

that makes senses.

But Vedith scumread kmd

specficially werewolf

for just that, that's weird.

Which is why Commknight's argument "Kmd can't be bussing vedith" doesn't fly because Kmd-Vedith bussing already happened since D4.

Which also explains why Vedith is happy to jump to both Hiraki and Dunnstal.

[Realeo]

Methink me happy pinning Comnknight as mafia.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well Vedith isn't mafia at the very least

[Realeo]

Ah, you're not engaging again

[RadiantCowbells]

Honestly I was using really strong rhetoric to see if I could coax a claim from Vedith.

[Realeo]

I mean, it explains the inconsistency why Kmd scumread Vedith and his replacements

from D1 but (almost) never vote them

.

[Realeo]

With that post above in mind

So is anyone actually against kmd WW?

is this still in play? I assume you're going to offer kmd as counter wagon for RC.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Vedith

[Kmd4390]

I mean, it explains the inconsistency why Kmd scumread Vedith and his replacements

from D1 but (almost) never vote them

.

I've spent more time voting vedith's slot than any other in this game. I voted theta a couple of times and hiraki the day he was lynched. Other than that I've pretty much always been on trihexa/firescreamer/umlaut/vedith or no one at all. If you're suspecting a me/vedith team, at least acknowledge it would have to be a game-long hard bus.

[Vedith]

With that post above in mind

So is anyone actually against kmd WW?

is this still in play? I assume you're going to offer kmd as counter wagon for RC.

VOTE: kmd

[Realeo]

I've spent more time voting vedith's slot than any other in this game.

Sure. But Vedith has only entered the game like at page sixties so you only voted Vedith's slot for 1/4 th of the game when you have scumread him the entire game. You voted Trihexa at the beginning at the game but then poof.

That's a long time for a read to develop into a vote.
That's a long time for a read to not change.

Pretty sure we already talked about this previously.

If you're suspecting a me/vedith team, at least acknowledge it would have to be a game-long hard bus.

I will acknowledge that it's a game-long shade throwing. game-long hard bus belongs to Dunn/Gamma.

With that post above in mind

So is anyone actually against kmd WW?

is this still in play? I assume you're going to offer kmd as counter wagon for RC.

VOTE: kmd

Hmm. So you actually mean it.

[Realeo]

VOTE: Vedith