Open 688: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Titus]

If you suggest copping me one more time rather than copping Math, my townread on you will be completely obliterated. That is hands down a waste unless Math flips scum. Your "strategic" thinking has been nothing more than circular logic. Every cop theoretically (although unlikely) could be town.

You seem to have this crazy misconception that we aren't lynching Math today and that they aren't flipping scum. Both are likely occurrences, therefore you are a good Cop target. We obviously wouldn't Cop you if either didn't happen, but like I said, I'm talking likely.

There's nothing circular about my strategy, other than the fact that it is a cycle that can be repeated in order to gain information and catch scum.

But it just defers the issue to another person. All I see happening is "okay now this person says Titus is town, do we believe

them

?"

Yes. Then we lynch that person. Anyone with an innocent gets the rope. Guilties get lynched, but if they aren't scum, the Cop gets lynched. Any Cop that doesn't claim a result by Day 6 gets lynched. Any Cops that have been sitting on reports need to report them immediately or get lynched for it later. As I said, there will be a full framework in order to ensure that we actually lynch scum, confirm town, and Doc the right target. I just need some time to lay it out. I want to try to do it sooner, rather than later, that way we can find any holes in it and make sure it's viable.

We could easily do full framework now.

Each cop claimer gets assigned a doctor (not me) or Math to check while being as consistent with their reads as possible. Zero overlap.

[Kelvin Smith]

Ohhhhh, okay. I think I know who Navy is now.

[Gamma Emerald]

unfortunately I think this is town!navy
that means agent is scum b
{agent, math, Titus} is probably the team
least confident on Titus, but her shoving mass claim down wasn't great
also, this is ironic but her sesq read in hindsight was bad and she was the main cause of the rope
and her naked voting me when I'm obv town is also not very dope
I still see town!Titus because her interactions with me yday felt somewhat real
but I don't know who the third scum would be and either way she has time to show that since she's third lynch ya feel

Man this team would be alright if Titus weren't there

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello Annie.

Tell me how you missed any indication Sheep claimed Doctor.

[Vedith]

Wait, did Gamma replace back into the spot he had?

[Kelvin Smith]

If you suggest copping me one more time rather than copping Math, my townread on you will be completely obliterated. That is hands down a waste unless Math flips scum. Your "strategic" thinking has been nothing more than circular logic. Every cop theoretically (although unlikely) could be town.

You seem to have this crazy misconception that we aren't lynching Math today and that they aren't flipping scum. Both are likely occurrences, therefore you are a good Cop target. We obviously wouldn't Cop you if either didn't happen, but like I said, I'm talking likely.

There's nothing circular about my strategy, other than the fact that it is a cycle that can be repeated in order to gain information and catch scum.

But it just defers the issue to another person. All I see happening is "okay now this person says Titus is town, do we believe

them

?"

Yes. Then we lynch that person. Anyone with an innocent gets the rope. Guilties get lynched, but if they aren't scum, the Cop gets lynched. Any Cop that doesn't claim a result by Day 6 gets lynched. Any Cops that have been sitting on reports need to report them immediately or get lynched for it later. As I said, there will be a full framework in order to ensure that we actually lynch scum, confirm town, and Doc the right target. I just need some time to lay it out. I want to try to do it sooner, rather than later, that way we can find any holes in it and make sure it's viable.

We could easily do full framework now.

Each cop claimer gets assigned a doctor (not me) or Math to check while being as consistent with their reads as possible. Zero overlap.

I'll have to think about whether or not that will work, but it sounds like a bad plan. First problem I spot is that scum are just going to kill Cops of people that they don't want result. Also, lack of overlap is actually really bad in some ways, because it means that we can never check that person again if the Cop assigned to them is scum.

Anyway, it looks like important stuff is out of the way right now, so bed for reals. Wanna sleep at least 4 hours, ideally.

[Titus]

Wait, did Gamma replace back into the spot he had?

Yes

[Titus]

If you suggest copping me one more time rather than copping Math, my townread on you will be completely obliterated. That is hands down a waste unless Math flips scum. Your "strategic" thinking has been nothing more than circular logic. Every cop theoretically (although unlikely) could be town.

You seem to have this crazy misconception that we aren't lynching Math today and that they aren't flipping scum. Both are likely occurrences, therefore you are a good Cop target. We obviously wouldn't Cop you if either didn't happen, but like I said, I'm talking likely.

There's nothing circular about my strategy, other than the fact that it is a cycle that can be repeated in order to gain information and catch scum.

But it just defers the issue to another person. All I see happening is "okay now this person says Titus is town, do we believe

them

?"

Yes. Then we lynch that person. Anyone with an innocent gets the rope. Guilties get lynched, but if they aren't scum, the Cop gets lynched. Any Cop that doesn't claim a result by Day 6 gets lynched. Any Cops that have been sitting on reports need to report them immediately or get lynched for it later. As I said, there will be a full framework in order to ensure that we actually lynch scum, confirm town, and Doc the right target. I just need some time to lay it out. I want to try to do it sooner, rather than later, that way we can find any holes in it and make sure it's viable.

We could easily do full framework now.

Each cop claimer gets assigned a doctor (not me) or Math to check while being as consistent with their reads as possible. Zero overlap.

I'll have to think about whether or not that will work, but it sounds like a bad plan. First problem I spot is that scum are just going to kill Cops of people that they don't want result. Also, lack of overlap is actually really bad in some ways, because it means that we can never check that person again if the Cop assigned to them is scum.

Anyway, it looks like important stuff is out of the way right now, so bed for reals. Wanna sleep at least 4 hours, ideally.

And if they kill based on hiding info, they cannot hide all of it.

If there are 2 cops tonight, scum cannot kill them both. They won't know which one leads to a certain result.

[Gamma Emerald]

The lylo thing is a lie. You couldn't have done that because you were dead before lylo in Spring Fever.

That was UpickinFreezer

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait, did Gamma replace back into the spot he had?

Hell yes. I'd been given that option before. Once I replaced back into a hydra, once I wanted to replace back in but the slot never opened.

[Gamma Emerald]

math disappearing after hard softing something thst had no reason to be softed is odd. it's a bit of a bother.
also... I find it unlikely Titus would he her check. this is just wifom, but like, didn't she town read Titus + woldnt you wanna save your check for someone you needed help reading aka not your brother?

Hey, I'm a woman.

Second, you haven't seen Math and I tunnel each other.

I have seen you tunnel math correctly.
I have not seen math tunnel you directly.
I have also not seen scum!Titus in a long ass time and I've never lost to scum!math (on my account that doesn't rhyme)

If I gave I shit I could use this to hunt down who this guy is
But I'm not angry at him so I don't give a shit

[Vedith]

Hell yes. I'd been given that option before. Once I replaced back into a hydra, once I wanted to replace back in but the slot never opened.

Right now I have no idea who is who, and who was who.

[Gamma Emerald]

so the scum team is me/vedith/Paul?
the game is done, Titus solves it yall!

Itlepip not Paul.

This seem kinda, um, totally bonkers. The main people who pushed MCM after his switch were me Titus and Vedith iirc, maybe Sesq. This means Titus was sheeped by scum on scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hell yes. I'd been given that option before. Once I replaced back into a hydra, once I wanted to replace back in but the slot never opened.

Right now I have no idea who is who, and who was who.

I'm myself and itlepip
RC is AS and both are scumfucks
Kelvin is MCM and I think they're Town rn
Navy is Sheep and could be scum but I'm not certain there

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE: Titus

I'm inclined to agree with Titus that Math is a better lynch, since a town flip confirms Titus and a scum flip puts scrutiny on her. Not saying that's the lynch of the Day, of course. Need to gt a better handle on things first.

Do you have reasoning beyond the "confirm Titus possibly" idea?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Kelvin,

Look, let's be frank here. I don't think either you or Math is scum. I think you're both being stubborn. I'd still lynch you over Math because Math can never vote me and does nothing for PoE.

Creature was the first death after massclaim. Let's just lynch whichever n1 doctor didn't heal Creature and is not you.

That would be RC or navy
So my primary scumread or yours

[Gamma Emerald]

This is the final straw. I haven't done anything? Fuck off, Kelvin.

Mod, replace me.

While I don't replace out at it, I do feel "doing nothing" is the worst logic this site has ever seen. It's a no-effort statement and is usually totally wrong.

[Gamma Emerald]

This game really can't afford anymore replacements, but if I have somehow offended you and this wasn't merely a misunderstanding, let's try to work this out, please. My intent wasn't to attack you. To be clear again, I have not read anything prior to replacing in, nor do I plan to. And since I have replaced in, we have had little to no interaction with each other. Under those limited criteria, I feel it's fair to say you've done little to impact me during this period.

@Almost50:

If alban doesn't rescind his request, replace me instead. I'm not going to be responsible for forcing another player out of the game.

I'm not going to call Kelvin conftown for this but this seems towny.

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't replace me. I'm still reading. On weekends I can't contribute much.

WRT some recent posts I prefer to lynch Navy than AS. This could change when I finish reading, but meanwhile you have my support on that lynch, Vedith:

VOTE: Navy

How much have you "read"?

[Vedith]

NJAC hasn't read shit and for 2 days has been saying he will.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Titus: did you read D1?

Nope
Learn to deal with it.

[Kelvin Smith]

Spoiler: Titus's Cop Plan

If you suggest copping me one more time rather than copping Math, my townread on you will be completely obliterated. That is hands down a waste unless Math flips scum. Your "strategic" thinking has been nothing more than circular logic. Every cop theoretically (although unlikely) could be town.

You seem to have this crazy misconception that we aren't lynching Math today and that they aren't flipping scum. Both are likely occurrences, therefore you are a good Cop target. We obviously wouldn't Cop you if either didn't happen, but like I said, I'm talking likely.

There's nothing circular about my strategy, other than the fact that it is a cycle that can be repeated in order to gain information and catch scum.

But it just defers the issue to another person. All I see happening is "okay now this person says Titus is town, do we believe

them

?"

Yes. Then we lynch that person. Anyone with an innocent gets the rope. Guilties get lynched, but if they aren't scum, the Cop gets lynched. Any Cop that doesn't claim a result by Day 6 gets lynched. Any Cops that have been sitting on reports need to report them immediately or get lynched for it later. As I said, there will be a full framework in order to ensure that we actually lynch scum, confirm town, and Doc the right target. I just need some time to lay it out. I want to try to do it sooner, rather than later, that way we can find any holes in it and make sure it's viable.

We could easily do full framework now.

Each cop claimer gets assigned a doctor (not me) or Math to check while being as consistent with their reads as possible. Zero overlap.

I'll have to think about whether or not that will work, but it sounds like a bad plan. First problem I spot is that scum are just going to kill Cops of people that they don't want result. Also, lack of overlap is actually really bad in some ways, because it means that we can never check that person again if the Cop assigned to them is scum.

Anyway, it looks like important stuff is out of the way right now, so bed for reals. Wanna sleep at least 4 hours, ideally.

And if they kill based on hiding info, they cannot hide all of it.

If there are 2 cops tonight, scum cannot kill them both. They won't know which one leads to a certain result.

I don't think this was worded well, but the underlying concept might not be bad. I'll certainly put some consideration into it.

[Kelvin Smith]

Hell yes. I'd been given that option before. Once I replaced back into a hydra, once I wanted to replace back in but the slot never opened.

Right now I have no idea who is who, and who was who.

Playerlist

jjh927

Creature*

Sesq
Mathblade

Hellfire Missile**

RadiantCowbells

Agent Sparkles**

Pyra*

NJAC**

TheYankeeReaper*

CommKnight
Gamma Emerald

itlepip*

Gamma Emerald

Titus

aronagrundy

*
Navy**

Cooperative Sheep*

alban**
Vedith

LunaeCinere*

NotTheRealPaul
Kelvin Smith

MuttonChopMagic

ShadedMelee**

[Kelvin Smith]

so the scum team is me/vedith/Paul?
the game is done, Titus solves it yall!

Itlepip not Paul.

This seem kinda, um, totally bonkers. The main people who pushed MCM after his switch were me Titus and Vedith iirc, maybe Sesq. This means Titus was sheeped by scum on scum.

I'm sorry, I don't follow what you just said. Once more, please.

[Kelvin Smith]

UNVOTE: Titus

I'm inclined to agree with Titus that Math is a better lynch, since a town flip confirms Titus and a scum flip puts scrutiny on her. Not saying that's the lynch of the Day, of course. Need to gt a better handle on things first.

Do you have reasoning beyond the "confirm Titus possibly" idea?

I'm not sure what you're asking.What do you mean by reasoning? I mean, logically speaking, if Math flips town, then Titus must be town, since Math claims to have Copped Titus and gotten an innocent.

On the other hand, Math flipping scum does nothing to confirm Titus as either town or scum, so Titus arguably needs to be checked again.