Open 688: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[MathBlade]

...RC I have told Titus this and she doesn't get it. I am getting ready for bed please don't fight I don't want to read miles of RC Titus Spam in the morning.

[RadiantCowbells]

we both agree with the assessment that this game suffers from too many cooks in the kitchen but you're refusing to any sort of compromise that isn't literally just your reads being followed.

sorry do you think that you're just better than me and kelvin and others and our reads dont matter? like even contingent on someone being proven right you are just like nah my reads go

[MathBlade]

we both agree with the assessment that this game suffers from too many cooks in the kitchen but you're refusing to any sort of compromise that isn't literally just your reads being followed.

sorry do you think that you're just better than me and kelvin and others and our reads dont matter? like even contingent on someone being proven right you are just like nah my reads go

?? Why are you yelling at me when I am compromising on Navy and have been trying to get you and Titus to work together ??

[alban]

Kelvin, I was waiting for you to present a case on Mathblade. It doesn't help that you keep touting your case on Math as a strong case. It might be so for you, but it's not for me, and if you want my vote on Math, you need to revise your case. I am not averse to their lynch even without your reasons coz they have been on my radar, but since your whole plan seems to rest on Math lynch, you should try harder to present your case. Right now, the attitude is take it or leave it, which isn't helping anyone.

Titus, you need to present an equally strong case on why not Math.

Both of you have done it in bits and pieces, but it's scattered. So if you could present it here in a concise manner, it will help.

[Kelvin Smith]

no. on principle I refuse to vote with you and implicitly acknowledge that what you are doing here is okay.
its not. you talk so much about cooperation and town unity but all it ever seems to mean to you is everyone doing what you want.

we both agree with the assessment that this game suffers from too many cooks in the kitchen but you're refusing to any sort of compromise that isn't literally just your reads being followed.

sorry do you think that you're just better than me and kelvin and others and our reads dont matter? like even contingent on someone being proven right you are just like nah my reads go

^Fucking this! You know what? I'm willing to fucking die on my sword for this if you and Paul are.

UNVOTE: Navy
VOTE: MathBlade

I don't know if others will come around on this vote, but I don't even care at this point. If anybody wants to listen to my ravings though, Vote Math.

If Math Flips Town, all Docs on Titus and all Cops on Navy.
If Math flips scum, All Docs on Gamma and all Cops on alban.

I'd still rather Cop Titus than Navy if Math flips scum, but I'll give this one to RC.

[RadiantCowbells]

like I took your townread on math into account. and your scumread on navy. I have spent hours of RL time understanding the context of all of your reads and gotten to the point where I can read a couple of your posts and snap judge your alignment instantly.

you? 50 games in with several hydras and you've got shit for reading me. every time you have lynched me I've been town.

like I know exactly what buttons to press here if I were scum to get you to do what I want. you know that as well as I do. if you're going to make zero effort to try to understand how I tick the least you could do is show my reads some respect.

[Kelvin Smith]

we both agree with the assessment that this game suffers from too many cooks in the kitchen but you're refusing to any sort of compromise that isn't literally just your reads being followed.

sorry do you think that you're just better than me and kelvin and others and our reads dont matter? like even contingent on someone being proven right you are just like nah my reads go

?? Why are you yelling at me when I am compromising on Navy and have been trying to get you and Titus to work together ??

He was clearly talking to Titus. Clearly.

[Titus]

no. on principle I refuse to vote with you and implicitly acknowledge that what you are doing here is okay.
its not. you talk so much about cooperation and town unity but all it ever seems to mean to you is everyone doing what you want.

No. That's not it at all. I have tried to address Kelvin's concerns about Math PoEing us and divising a doctor plan. I am trying to get the best from people.

Now, if you can highlight a specific behavior you felt shut down conversation, ok.

But you never mentioned me not trying to work with others before in this game which kinda pings.

[Titus]

Kelvin, I was waiting for you to present a case on Mathblade. It doesn't help that you keep touting your case on Math as a strong case. It might be so for you, but it's not for me, and if you want my vote on Math, you need to revise your case. I am not averse to their lynch even without your reasons coz they have been on my radar, but since your whole plan seems to rest on Math lynch, you should try harder to present your case. Right now, the attitude is take it or leave it, which isn't helping anyone.

Titus, you need to present an equally strong case on why not Math.

Both of you have done it in bits and pieces, but it's scattered. So if you could present it here in a concise manner, it will help.

Ok.

Why not Math?

They get ridiculously omgusy as town. They are easily picked on. Math is floated as a strategic lynch which benefits no one as no one scumreads me and basically gives scum an excuse to lynch an innocent claiming cop whenever. The argument check Titus again, that slot gets lynched.

PoE works better when equally restrained. Scum are not going to bus Navy alban. That slot is never showing up or getting replaced.

[Titus]

like I know exactly what buttons to press here if I were scum to get you to do what I want. you know that as well as I do. if you're going to make zero effort to try to understand how I tick the least you could do is show my reads some respect.

I am by planning around them for if I am wrong but I am not lynching in cop claims when confirmed scum in doctors. Period barring a scumclaim from Math which does not exist.

[Titus]

we both agree with the assessment that this game suffers from too many cooks in the kitchen but you're refusing to any sort of compromise that isn't literally just your reads being followed.

sorry do you think that you're just better than me and kelvin and others and our reads dont matter? like even contingent on someone being proven right you are just like nah my reads go

?? Why are you yelling at me when I am compromising on Navy and have been trying to get you and Titus to work together ??

The only acceptable lynches today are doctors. The only decent one is Navy. RC would be my next choice.

[RadiantCowbells]

I agreed to lynch navy if you would start listening to my reads

if

you were wrong. on a read im not even sure is wrong given Alban's fit.

why am i required to continually make concessions to you when we disagree?

[Titus]

I agreed to lynch navy if you would start listening to my reads

if

you were wrong. on a read im not even sure is wrong given Alban's fit.

why am i required to continually make concessions to you when we disagree?

No. I am. Assigning the cops is making a concession Math could be scum. I gave my biggest TR the responsibility of checking you because I don't trust you, mainly because you cannot see town Math.

[alban]

Kelvin:
"If Math Flips Town, all Docs on Titus and all Cops on Navy.
If Math flips scum, All Docs on Gamma and all Cops on alban."

This won't fly.
1. If Math flips town, why should cops be on Navy? They should be on you or RC coz you are the ones pushing their lynch.
2. If Math flips scum, why should the cops be on me? They should obviously be on Titus who is fighting to stop their lynch.

[NotTheRealPaul]

alban townies can be wrong u dumbass.

[RadiantCowbells]

I agreed to lynch navy if you would start listening to my reads

if

you were wrong. on a read im not even sure is wrong given Alban's fit.

why am i required to continually make concessions to you when we disagree?

No. I am. Assigning the cops is making a concession Math could be scum. I gave my biggest TR the responsibility of checking you because I don't trust you, mainly because you cannot see town Math.

nah thats not a concession.

why should I even want cops spent on a slot i'm sure is scum?

[Titus]

I can't agree to follow your reads given a) I am not 100% on Navy and b) you're my second choice RC.

You can play to my emotions quite well as scum. We know this.

I also know I am vulnerable to pride.

Eliminate that so I can trust yoy.

[Kelvin Smith]

Kelvin, I was waiting for you to present a case on Mathblade. It doesn't help that you keep touting your case on Math as a strong case.

It might be so for you, but it's not for me, and if you want my vote on Math, you need to revise your case.

Here's the beauty of it: No I fucking don't. Like, what do you want from me? I'm sorry if the case doesn't make sense to you. Like, maybe that's cause it's a bad case, but maybe it's not?

I am not averse to their lynch even without your reasons coz they have been on my radar, but since your whole plan seems to rest on Math lynch, you should try harder to present your case. Right now, the attitude is take it or leave it, which isn't helping anyone.

If you aren't adverse to a lynch of Math, then join the wagon. If you are, don't. I'm not going to dance like your little monkey explaining it. I'm not coming to you with my hat in my hand and begging you to lynch Math. If you're town and you want an opportunity to lynch scum, then lynching someone is a good move. Lynching Navy doesn't confirm a townie, lynching Math does. It's not rocket science. One gives more utility than the other. I can't explain it any other way.

Titus, you need to present an equally strong case on why not Math.

Both of you have done it in bits and pieces, but it's scattered. So if you could present it here in a concise manner, it will help.

The thing is, Titus probably can't and won't, because I've been trying to get her to do it this whole time and her answers are always "Math is town because I say so" or "Navy is scum because of shaky reasons."

I can't speak for Titus, but I'm not making it any more concise than I have. If you want to throw the game away by mo lynching, go for it. I won't stop you and I won't complain about it. But if you're town, just remember the time that you could've lynched scum and didn't. Learn from it, then make better decisions in the future. Or don't. You people have killed whatever reignited desire I had to try to change the meta of this website. I'm probably out after this game. I keep trying to find ways to make this game tolerable and they don't seem to exist.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: titus

this is the best move for the health of the game.

[Titus]

I agreed to lynch navy if you would start listening to my reads

if

you were wrong. on a read im not even sure is wrong given Alban's fit.

why am i required to continually make concessions to you when we disagree?

No. I am. Assigning the cops is making a concession Math could be scum. I gave my biggest TR the responsibility of checking you because I don't trust you, mainly because you cannot see town Math.

nah thats not a concession.

why should I even want cops spent on a slot i'm sure is scum?

PoE and you're wrong. I'd bet the game on Math being town right now. I am not willing to bet the game on Math being scum.

It is a concession to use a cop on locktown reads RC. We need to merge this. I'm not letting a mislynch on Math happen.

Now, why is Navy town without talking about Math.

[Titus]

VOTE: titus

this is the best move for the health of the game.

No. You're just butthurt tiwn or scum pissed you cannot mislynch Math.

You can get pissed or we can work out a plan that clears you. I told you after other games, you aren't strongarming lynches on my TRs. You do that as scum.

[Kelvin Smith]

alban townies can be wrong u dumbass.

Let's cool it on the name-calling, please. But otherwise, this is pretty accurate.

[Titus]

Kelvin:
"If Math Flips Town, all Docs on Titus and all Cops on Navy.
If Math flips scum, All Docs on Gamma and all Cops on alban."

This won't fly.
1. If Math flips town, why should cops be on Navy? They should be on you or RC coz you are the ones pushing their lynch.
2. If Math flips scum, why should the cops be on me? They should obviously be on Titus who is fighting to stop their lynch.

Agreed.

If Math flips town and Navy is town, the game is over bc that slot isn't here and gets defended a lot. It's mislynch bait.

I don't mind being copped in the event Math flips scum, but they won't.

[RadiantCowbells]

no as scum I manipulate you into townreading the people I want alive and scumreading town. why can I snapread you but you have never even tried to learn to read me?

[NotTheRealPaul]

RC id vote with u but Titus wont go anywhere. Also Math is a better lynch info wise.

Rn I'll even lynch alban.

pedit: sorry im just very very very pissed. apologies alban. I wuz out of line.