Mini Normal 1917: :X Mafia (Game over!)

[Grendel]

*@Backhand*

Results:

N1 forgot to watch

N2: Watched MCM and saw motion

I dont see who made motion on what so pretty much I can only check BT claims and make sure they are in fact VT :/

Do you really see NTRP's buddies forgetting to tell him to use his powers?

[kraska77]

Guys no-one unvotes pls

Grwndel is scum because:
- the defeatist attitude on early day 2 did not make sense given the game state; only one town dead and no nightkills, plus no-one was really pestering him other than me, and I was voting nero not even him
- very passive play on day 1, grendel did not put any effort into getting wagons going on his scumreads, it's like he made sure none of his votes transpire into lynches. Made non-controversial votes ,like his vote-park on pp, and had NOTHING to say about me/Nero competing wagons
-Lots of vote hopping and scrambling today, one minute giga is scum, next it's Hiraki, then back to backhand

[Grendel]

Guys no-one unvotes pls

Grwndel is scum because:
- the defeatist attitude on early day 2 did not make sense given the game state; only one town dead and no nightkills, plus no-one was really pestering him other than me, and I was voting nero not even him
- very passive play on day 1, grendel did not put any effort into getting wagons going on his scumreads, it's like he made sure none of his votes transpire into lynches. Made non-controversial votes ,like his vote-park on pp, and had NOTHING to say about me/Nero competing wagons
-Lots of vote hopping and scrambling today, one minute giga is scum, next it's Hiraki, then back to backhand

You don't get it.

I'm not trying to dishevel my wagon. At this point my lynch is optimal b/c you are going to continue to be useless until I'm gone.

[kraska77]

Paul does your thing detect motion on mcm or only motion by the person you watch?

[Cheetory6]

Would be both kraska.

[Backhand]

*@Backhand*

Results:

N1 forgot to watch

N2: Watched MCM and saw motion

I dont see who made motion on what so pretty much I can only check BT claims and make sure they are in fact VT :/

Do you really see NTRP's buddies forgetting to tell him to use his powers?

He could forget to submit even if they did remind him, but I doubt NTRP is scum just based on his interactions with nero. Hiraki being a potential scum even if he's telling the truth about being a backup is more likely, as you said. I do think we've collectively kind of put NTRP in the Cleared pile and that shouldn't be the case.

A little surprising that our alleged rolestopper didn't target MCM Night 2, though.

[Grendel]

I have to go,

I'll be back roughly five hours to give reads then Cheet can hammer.

I was hoping the have longer to sort my reads and give further directives to town to not be stupid. But I don't think that town will give me the breathing space to do that in any meaningful facet.

[Cheetory6]

I mean, take the time you want.
I'm not in a rush.

[kraska77]

Would be both kraska.

okay...useless result then
We should make a pool for Paul to check in
{Hiraki, backhand, vedith, giga, ccc} ???

[kraska77]

A little surprising that our alleged rolestopper didn't target MCM Night 2, though.

? Rolestopper isn't like j.k. mcm can still send actions, only actions on him are stopped

[Backhand]

A little surprising that our alleged rolestopper didn't target MCM Night 2, though.

? Rolestopper isn't like j.k. mcm can still send actions, only actions on him are stopped

But then Paul would not have received a result.

[kraska77]

oh...
yeah
Good catch
Dhjdjdk
Should we lunch vedith then?

[kraska77]

This really feels like town vedith tho....

[NotTheRealPaul]

No I didnt realize that lol. I thought I got to see who did motion on what and if motion occured who did it on whoever I was watching. Thus why I was surprised at lack of info :/

Watched MCM cuz I was TRing him pretty hard and he was conftown so I thought scum might shoot and Id find out who scum is.

[NotTheRealPaul]

Sorry for being a newb

[NotTheRealPaul]

Also Kraska iDK who did motion only that there was motion

[Cheetory6]

It's okay, at best we would maybe have gotten a guilty on someone, but it would be kind of unlikely and only a soft-guilty.
You're also being really town, so, at least you've got that going for you.

[kraska77]

No I didnt realize that lol. I thought I got to see who did motion on what and if motion occured who did it on whoever I was watching. Thus why I was surprised at lack of info :/

Watched MCM cuz I was TRing him pretty hard and he was conftown so I thought scum might shoot and Id find out who scum is.

There's a wiki you can check in the future if youre not sure what your role does
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Main_Page

[Backhand]

oh...
yeah
Good catch
Dhjdjdk
Should we lunch vedith then?

Maybe. I think there's no way that all four of Mystery Rolestopper/Backup Rolestopper/Motion Detector/Backup Motion Detector are town.

That would mean we have (Very Strong!) 2x Loyal Friendly Neighbor (if that's even what it actually is, y'know?) (Weak) Motion Detector, (Strong) Rolestopper, and two Backups? No way, plus we can be 95 percent sure scum don't even have a roleblocker, else they would have blocked one of NTRP/MCM last night.

[NotTheRealPaul]

@kraska thanks. I'll do that in future. I readrole PM and thought it was pretty OP, then I got myresults and I was lke wut

[MuttonChopMagic]

do not fucking hammer until I have time to post or it's a scum claim dopes

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ughkjhgfvhgchf

idk

hiraki is fakeclaiming if scum mind you

scum arent going to get a backup of a role they can't inherit in my opinion - unless someone can show me a game where that happened?

[Cheetory6]

scum arent going to get a backup of a role they can't inherit in my opinion

what?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

you can only inherit a role as a backup if it's the same alignment as you

i was a UB in my first non-newbie game (Open 649) and I didn't know that the normal guidelines didn't apply to opens and thought i could lynch an obvtown neighborizer to turn into a friendly neighbor

[MuttonChopMagic]

town!md and scum!bumd is possible and not something that should be discounted
it is a legitimate thing that happens. gives scum an edge on guessing what town power exists while adding some confusion that's amounted

I'll reply to relevant stuff in a bit cause right now I'm taking a shit