Micro 729: C-C9 Mafia | Game Over

[Draynth]

Day 1, Votecount 1

Mykonian (4)

: Papa Zito, Gorkington, Realeo, Edosurist

(L-1)

Realeo (1): Chamber
Gorkington (1): Bellaphant

Not Voting (3):

Tenshii, Mykonian, BTD6_Maker

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-07-22 00:00:00)[/area]

[chamber]

VOTE: gork

you guys are fast!

For the Edo comment? Had me scratching my head a bit too.

[Papa Zito]

It's his first post more than his second, I just wanted to see a bit more from edo before I voted.

What was wrong with his first post and what were you looking for from edo


@Bella hi did you somehow miss that we have Myko at L-1? That was your chance to hammer scum and you missed it.

[chamber]

It's his first post more than his second, I just wanted to see a bit more from edo before I voted.

What was wrong with his first post and what were you looking for from edo

Posts happened while I was posting, so by the time I had read Realto's post in question and was thinking about it, Edo had made his unvote move. It seemed really forced to me. I wanted to see how that ended up developing, mostly on Edo's end.

[Gorkington]

oh i misread what edo did.
nvm.

[Bellaphant]

For the edo comment and the first post just felt a bit off.

i mean, i could've hammered myko....

[Gorkington]

what exactly is your expectation of my earlygame bella?
because the only thing i'll concede is that im trying not to goof around as much.

[chamber]

what exactly is your expectation of my earlygame bella?
because the only thing i'll concede is that im trying not to goof around as much.

Doesn't this just sound like something scum would be worried about? The emphasis on what's conceded.

[Gorkington]

i really feel like you of all people should understand why i feel like being more serious in this game.
):<

[Papa Zito]

It's his first post more than his second, I just wanted to see a bit more from edo before I voted.

What was wrong with his first post and what were you looking for from edo

Posts happened while I was posting, so by the time I had read Realto's post in question and was thinking about it, Edo had made his unvote move. It seemed really forced to me. I wanted to see how that ended up developing, mostly on Edo's end.

So how did this end up with a Realeo vote?

[Bellaphant]

It just didn't feel relaxed, but ehhh.

[mykonian]

I keep tossing and turning so I should explain my hunch about Chamber.

Is there a breaking strategy in this? I haven't actually done the math yet. Just seems like nolynching a few times could give a lot of info.

For one, the trigger is that it's a theory post in the RVS. I don't quite know why but they end up being scum more often, I even did them more as scum. I think it might have been a tell back in the day, which creates some wifom if Chamber did it because he didnt care or he thought he could get away with it: w/e. This is what gets me to look at this post.

On top of theory being very non committal in terms of game involvement, it's a very nice way to look which way the wind blows, this is then again a very noncommittal way to breach the topic.

I get that theory is part of the game, but the most eggregious part is that it discusses a potential no lynch before the game has properly left the starting blocks. Say it is optimal, you've stifled a day of scumhunting. You can't form a serious wagon anymore. If you are town and you have this in the back of your mind, you'd first let people scumhunt, only to drop this bomb on them week two, introduce new thoughts, shake people up, and have a bunch of info to go off further into the game. I think Chamber town would have taken that extra chance to catch scum without a seconds hesitation.

vote chamber

[Papa Zito]

Well that certainly didn't give me any reason to move my vote.

[chamber]

I disagree, if no lynching is optimal you want to do it with as little other noise as possible. Scum aren't the only one that can drop tells. And I already said why I mentioned it in my first post (or at least indirectly did). I didn't want to think through how broken this setup actually was before rolling town, because it seems quite broken. The theory discussion is also a bit of a carry over from some in sitechat during signups. You weren't around for it but Gork was.

[chamber]

i really feel like you of all people should understand why i feel like being more serious in this game.
):<

I don't think the sentiment of wanting to be more serious is scummy though? It's just the way things were phrased.

[Edosurist]

In my experience, theory talk early on is NAI. It's not like they were they could derail RVS just by mentioning it.

Hey chamber, I still don't get what you found scummy about Realeo.

[Edosurist]

*It's not like they could...

[mykonian]

The theory discussion is also a bit of a carry over from some in sitechat during signups. You weren't around for it but Gork was.

I get you are baiting me here, but for one you claim to know nothing and ask of other people, yet already discussed the game before the game started.

[chamber]

Well that certainly didn't give me any reason to move my vote.

Do you think scum myko antagonizes someone not voting him while at L-1?

[chamber]

The theory discussion is also a bit of a carry over from some in sitechat during signups. You weren't around for it but Gork was.

I get you are baiting me here, but for one you claim to know nothing and ask of other people, yet already discussed the game before the game started.

The discussion then ended with the open question I posed here. It was never answered.

[mykonian]

In my experience, theory talk early on is NAI. It's not like they were they could derail RVS just by mentioning it.

Not the point. It's so you can say nothing of value (while giving the impression you do) while looking where the game is headed. I dont mind the subject, I mind the passivity it implies.

[chamber]

In my experience, theory talk early on is NAI. It's not like they were they could derail RVS just by mentioning it.

Not the point. It's so you can say nothing of value (while giving the impression you do) while looking where the game is headed. I dont mind the subject, I mind the passivity it implies.

The thing that annoys me a bit about this isn't your underlying suspicion. I agree that it can be a scumtell, I just don't care as town. But, do you actually think I failed to engage the town after posing it? Surely I could have waited 5 minutes without posting and divided into the game all the same if my goal was to only do nothing?

[mykonian]

Yes but then I don't have to complain about faking activity, I can just claim you lurked when you do it often enough!

[Edosurist]

I mean, that's not what the original point looked like to me, but sure. I apologize.

Even still, talking strategy hasn't been alignment indicative in my recent experiences. If anything, right at game start is when you would want to talk about theory before you could actually derail something or can see how the game is headed. Realistically, what advantage would chamber have to stall for such a short period? P-Edit, you suggest they would lurk, but that's not what happened here. If you mind passivity when it comes to early-game chatter, I don't see passivity from chamber here.

[chamber]

Yes but then I don't have to complain about faking activity, I can just claim you lurked when you do it often enough!

What sample are you using for lurking? I tend to be hyperactive in games when I'm engaged. This includes most games when they start (see here).