Open 694: Friends and Enemies (Game Over!)

[wavemode]

you're reaching

You believe Raya is town? How do you feel about her play thus far?

[GameNBurger]

Oh geez 4 pages already well atleast I won't have to pull teeth to get you guys to talk thatsfor certain

I'm gonna eat dinner so it'll take me a while to catch up

I saw echo namedrop me to defend him

Yeah he was like that in the last game but he was also scum sooooooooooooo

Do get with the times man

[Transcend]

VOTE: sun

[ConnorJC]

that's what i do *shrug*
check out my games boyyo

or ask game/transcend that's what i did in KAT

Is jumping on a wagon with literally no reasoning also part of your normal repertoire? It seems to be eerily missing in KAT where you first non-RVS vote was on page 13.

[Transcend]

It is possible that connor is lynchbait

Sun is just scum though.

[Transcend]

Don't like EchoVision, although we're well past RVS his posts are still basically joke posts with no analysis - like he's trying to appear active but stay out of any serious discussion.

Although I don't like maya's analysis, I think it's genuine and that maya is town.

Fenraiser hasn't posted much, but imo 24 is very towny.

that's what i do *shrug*
check out my games boyyo

or ask game/transcend that's what i did in KAT

You're asking me to defend meta for a game you were mafia in...

[SunChild]

People who've played with him, is Transcend usually this wrong this quickly?

[Transcend]

Scummy lol

[EchoVision]

you're reaching

You believe Raya is town? How do you feel about her play thus far?

Idk who Raya is or what they've done so idrk I'll look back soon

[EchoVision]

that's what i do *shrug*
check out my games boyyo

or ask game/transcend that's what i did in KAT

Is jumping on a wagon with literally no reasoning also part of your normal repertoire? It seems to be eerily missing in KAT where you first non-RVS vote was on page 13.

yeah it really is lmao. KAT was my first scum game so I decided not to do it that game

if you look at some of the newbies I've been in I usually just throw my vote around like a fucking baseball

my votes on you were for pressure, didn't really imagine that the wagon would rise that much and I just kinda kept it because as I mentioned before, pressure. However I didn't really get any reaction and now there's no point cause I told you it was pressure so UNVOTE:

[EchoVision]

Don't like EchoVision, although we're well past RVS his posts are still basically joke posts with no analysis - like he's trying to appear active but stay out of any serious discussion.

Although I don't like maya's analysis, I think it's genuine and that maya is town.

Fenraiser hasn't posted much, but imo 24 is very towny.

that's what i do *shrug*
check out my games boyyo

or ask game/transcend that's what i did in KAT

You're asking me to defend meta for a game you were mafia in...

yeah i realized i was scum after the fact when Game mentioned it lmao

[EchoVision]

People who've played with him, is Transcend usually this wrong this quickly?

him and his hydra buddies weren't this agressive when they were WW so for now he's off the hook and I'm sheeping him but since my vote isn't on Connor anymore it's going on you

VOTE: SunChild

not just a pure sheep, you can tell that I had issues with you before when I exclaimed you were reaching with shit and I didn't like it

[EchoVision]

I'm not too sure about his fluidity with Connor, he votes him and then less than 15 posts later he just kinda agrees that somebody was right on Connor so he unvotes.

If connor flips scum I'm okay with looking at this as a potential scum buddy. Would make sense if he voted it as an excuse "nah I sus'd him at one point I can't be his buddy"

If the lynch went through then he looks good because he was on the wagon, when the wagon started loosing steam he was like yeah i don't have to be here and dipped

[EchoVision]

That was on Raya btw ^

[ConnorJC]

I'm not too sure about his fluidity with Connor, he votes him and then less than 15 posts later he just kinda agrees that somebody was right on Connor so he unvotes.

If connor flips scum I'm okay with looking at this as a potential scum buddy. Would make sense if he voted it as an excuse "nah I sus'd him at one point I can't be his buddy"

If the lynch went through then he looks good because he was on the wagon, when the wagon started loosing steam he was like yeah i don't have to be here and dipped

So it's ok for your votes to make no sense but not raya's?

[ConnorJC]

People who've played with him, is Transcend usually this wrong this quickly?

I find this post a little scummy, but overall I'm reading Sun as mildy town for now.

[ConnorJC]

People who've played with him, is Transcend usually this wrong this quickly?

him and his hydra buddies weren't this agressive when they were WW so for now he's off the hook and I'm sheeping him but since my vote isn't on Connor anymore it's going on you

VOTE: SunChild

not just a pure sheep, you can tell that I had issues with you before when I exclaimed you were reaching with shit and I didn't like it

Why are you so worried about defending your vote, rather than actually giving reasons Sun is scum?

[ConnorJC]

I like wave so far, while it is fairly non-committal on reads I think its questions are genuine attempts to understand the game.

[EchoVision]

I'm not too sure about his fluidity with Connor, he votes him and then less than 15 posts later he just kinda agrees that somebody was right on Connor so he unvotes.

If connor flips scum I'm okay with looking at this as a potential scum buddy. Would make sense if he voted it as an excuse "nah I sus'd him at one point I can't be his buddy"

If the lynch went through then he looks good because he was on the wagon, when the wagon started loosing steam he was like yeah i don't have to be here and dipped

So it's ok for your votes to make no sense but not raya's?

my vote was for pressure as I stated before, he hasn't exclaimed any reasoning behind his vote and his unvote was just a "yeah you're right I'll unvote" hence my usage of the word fluidity

[EchoVision]

People who've played with him, is Transcend usually this wrong this quickly?

him and his hydra buddies weren't this agressive when they were WW so for now he's off the hook and I'm sheeping him but since my vote isn't on Connor anymore it's going on you

VOTE: SunChild

not just a pure sheep, you can tell that I had issues with you before when I exclaimed you were reaching with shit and I didn't like it

Why are you so worried about defending your vote, rather than actually giving reasons Sun is scum?

I wasn't defending it, I was stating that there was more to it than just a sheep because earlier in the post I mentioned something about sheeping trans

[wavemode]

@EchoVision - I asked because you said SunChild was reaching. SunChild was describing his suspicions of Raya. So you think he was reaching in those suspicions, and Raya is not scummy? But actually, it sounds like you have the same suspicions... so why did you say he was reaching?

[ConnorJC]

I realize this is early in the game, so this is really tentative, but I like Echo+Trans as scum partners.

- Echo's RVS vote was on trans, but he quickly switched off of it (Even though he stays on me for a long time with a "pressure" vote)
- Both are voting with a serious lack of logic (This is especially important because Echo is somewhat sheeping Trans, even though Trans has barely any analysis backed up by logic/scumhunting)
- Echo tried to lean on Trans to back him up on his self-meta read
- Trans dedicated a whole post to TRing Echo rather than lumping him in like with most of his TRs

While each of these individually are fairly weak, with all this piling up so early I'm getting a bad vibe from Trans and Echo.

[Flubbernugget]

Raya's seems incongruous too. Spends most of post 79 talking about other things, then jumps on Connorwagon almost as an afterthought because "he seems sheepy." Then unvotes when Flubbernugget tells her to.

Only three scum in the game, but half of you guys seem scummy.

This is pretty much why my vote stayed

[SunChild]

Sesq still hasn't contributed anything, and has jumped onto another bandwagon since the last time I complained about her doing that.
In wavemode's post 96, if he's been reading and has realized I'm an alt, 'Welcome to mafia' looks too commiserating - like he's trying to get on my good side. If at this post he still thinks I'm a newbie, it's null.
Echo is devoting more time to defending himself than I'd expect from a non-newb town. Plus, he's spamming even more than the ridiculously spammy meta which is apparently normal on MS these days, so he's awful for that regardless of alignment.
Is Kcdaspot in this game? He's listed as alive but still hasn't posted.

Let's lynch Transcend though. His play has been way too erratic and his reads too bad for the amount of pressure he's been getting, which is actually zero. Other than Echo saying he was less aggressive as part of a town hydra in another game, no one has said anything that would make me think this is normal townplay for him.

VOTE: Transcend

@ConnorJC, let's hold off on spending too much time talking about or voting based on interaction tells - remember, any given interaction set is as likely to be Mason as Mafia, and we may be pointing out the Masons to the Mafia if we go too hard on connections. Something to think more about after we have a flip or a claim. How do you feel about lynching Transcend on his own merits though?
@GameNBurger, bombcat, Flubbernugget: Let's lynch Transcend today, yeah? How do you feel about that?

[Sesq]

you just admitted you complained about it

and you expect me to kneel to your demands, new one?

blasphemous!

i still kinda think connor is scum but lol who knows