Open 694: Friends and Enemies (Game Over!)

[EchoVision]

@EchoVision - I asked because you said SunChild was reaching. SunChild was describing his suspicions of Raya. So you think he was reaching in those suspicions, and Raya is not scummy? But actually, it sounds like you have the same suspicions... so why did you say he was reaching?

his read wasn't a reach, I'm not arguing anything about the read

his

reasons

were a reach

iirc he was just taking apart a post and saying what he didn't like about it and since he didn't like it it was scum

[EchoVision]

Don't like EchoVision, although we're well past RVS his posts are still basically joke posts with no analysis - like he's trying to appear active but stay out of any serious discussion.

also, looking back at it, we're really not well past RVS... we're just over 100 posts into the game and there's still a couple people that we haven't heard anything from, if so it was one post

[Fenraiser]

i still kinda think connor is scum but lol who knows

Sesq seems non-committed to his vote on Conner. I don't like it. He hasn't posted much, but the little he has posted doesn't seem good at all.

UNVOTE:

I'm not really convinced on the the cases on Sun, and he has been contributing his suspicions and logic and they seem fine to me, and it seems that Transcend and Echo are trying to invalidate that and Sun's credibility.

I'll put more later.

[EchoVision]

I realize this is early in the game, so this is really tentative, but I like Echo+Trans as scum partners.

- Echo's RVS vote was on trans, but he quickly switched off of it (Even though he stays on me for a long time with a "pressure" vote)
- Both are voting with a serious lack of logic (This is especially important because Echo is somewhat sheeping Trans, even though Trans has barely any analysis backed up by logic/scumhunting)
- Echo tried to lean on Trans to back him up on his self-meta read
- Trans dedicated a whole post to TRing Echo rather than lumping him in like with most of his TRs

While each of these individually are fairly weak, with all this piling up so early I'm getting a bad vibe from Trans and Echo.

first off if you think trans and I are both this bad/obvious as scum if you end up in a game with one of us as scum you've got another thing coming...

my RVS vote was on trans because it was RVS? if you want reason then keep looking because it was

random

as it states in the name

Random

Voting Stage. Also staying on you for about 12 hours isn't a "long time". You seem to have a habit of blowing things out of proportion.

We're just over 100 posts into this game, if you want logic then go sub into a game that's in d3 because there's not much logic that you can get from 100ish total posts in a game

This third reason is complete ass cheeks as I also leaned onto GameNBurger as well? And both of them were in the game? I don't really understand how me acknowledging people that were in my last game enhances a scum read on me or trans?

What post did Trans dedicate to TRing me...?? I highly doubt it was anything over 3 sentences but Idek what the fuck you're talking about...

PEdit: Sesq is a female, not a he

Also if you guys really find Trans and I as scum buddies then go ahead and lynch me first. I'd much rather Trans stay alive for the sake of the town as he's a much better player than I am

[Transcend]

Sun is mafia

[EchoVision]

Sun is mafia

aren't we all

[EchoVision]

Sesq still hasn't contributed anything, and has jumped onto another bandwagon since the last time I complained about her doing that.
In wavemode's post 96, if he's been reading and has realized I'm an alt, 'Welcome to mafia' looks too commiserating - like he's trying to get on my good side. If at this post he still thinks I'm a newbie, it's null.
Echo is devoting more time to defending himself than I'd expect from a non-newb town. Plus, he's spamming even more than the ridiculously spammy meta which is apparently normal on MS these days, so he's awful for that regardless of alignment.
Is Kcdaspot in this game? He's listed as alive but still hasn't posted.

Let's lynch Transcend though. His play has been way too erratic and his reads too bad for the amount of pressure he's been getting, which is actually zero. Other than Echo saying he was less aggressive as part of a town hydra in another game, no one has said anything that would make me think this is normal townplay for him.

VOTE: Transcend

@ConnorJC, let's hold off on spending too much time talking about or voting based on interaction tells - remember, any given interaction set is as likely to be Mason as Mafia, and we may be pointing out the Masons to the Mafia if we go too hard on connections. Something to think more about after we have a flip or a claim. How do you feel about lynching Transcend on his own merits though?
@GameNBurger, bombcat, Flubbernugget: Let's lynch Transcend today, yeah? How do you feel about that?

wait when the fuck did this post get here, I didn't read this...? I'll read it when I get up cause it's 5:30 am right meow

[Flubbernugget]

12 is a tryhard post it's too much effort too early on

Funny, that's how I'd describe your posts.

This is actually an interesting post. I don't think Transcend realized he's giving himself a free pass tho

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: sun

Discrediting my efforts

Were you not discrediting efforts when you dismissed people as try hards?

[Transcend]

Maybe idk

Lynch sun

[ConnorJC]

Sesq still hasn't contributed anything, and has jumped onto another bandwagon since the last time I complained about her doing that.
In wavemode's post 96, if he's been reading and has realized I'm an alt, 'Welcome to mafia' looks too commiserating - like he's trying to get on my good side. If at this post he still thinks I'm a newbie, it's null.
Echo is devoting more time to defending himself than I'd expect from a non-newb town. Plus, he's spamming even more than the ridiculously spammy meta which is apparently normal on MS these days, so he's awful for that regardless of alignment.
Is Kcdaspot in this game? He's listed as alive but still hasn't posted.

Let's lynch Transcend though. His play has been way too erratic and his reads too bad for the amount of pressure he's been getting, which is actually zero. Other than Echo saying he was less aggressive as part of a town hydra in another game, no one has said anything that would make me think this is normal townplay for him.

VOTE: Transcend

@ConnorJC, let's hold off on spending too much time talking about or voting based on interaction tells - remember, any given interaction set is as likely to be Mason as Mafia, and we may be pointing out the Masons to the Mafia if we go too hard on connections. Something to think more about after we have a flip or a claim. How do you feel about lynching Transcend on his own merits though?
@GameNBurger, bombcat, Flubbernugget: Let's lynch Transcend today, yeah? How do you feel about that?

Fair enough, forgot about the potential to be mason. To be honest I'm really on the fence with Transcend. I don't like his play, but I honestly can see a misguided towny playing that way as well. That said, he's an experienced player and every post with just an accusation and no analysis looks worse and worse.

[Flubbernugget]

Don't like Sesq's 8, either. Fourth vote with no comment.

it's called RVS it's what we do here

I thought players that were new to this forum had to partake in at least one newbie game before going into other queues just so that they got used to site meta and shit even if they've played the game before but guess not grr hiss growl

4th on the wagon was a scumtell from the old MS days to my knowledge

[ConnorJC]

Don't like EchoVision, although we're well past RVS his posts are still basically joke posts with no analysis - like he's trying to appear active but stay out of any serious discussion.

also, looking back at it, we're really not well past RVS... we're just over 100 posts into the game and there's still a couple people that we haven't heard anything from, if so it was one post

Arguing a technicality like this is just plain scummy. You know that I meant we were out of RVS and exaggerated a slight bit.

[Transcend]

Sesq still hasn't contributed anything, and has jumped onto another bandwagon since the last time I complained about her doing that.
In wavemode's post 96, if he's been reading and has realized I'm an alt, 'Welcome to mafia' looks too commiserating - like he's trying to get on my good side. If at this post he still thinks I'm a newbie, it's null.
Echo is devoting more time to defending himself than I'd expect from a non-newb town. Plus, he's spamming even more than the ridiculously spammy meta which is apparently normal on MS these days, so he's awful for that regardless of alignment.
Is Kcdaspot in this game? He's listed as alive but still hasn't posted.

Let's lynch Transcend though. His play has been way too erratic and his reads too bad for the amount of pressure he's been getting, which is actually zero. Other than Echo saying he was less aggressive as part of a town hydra in another game, no one has said anything that would make me think this is normal townplay for him.

VOTE: Transcend

@ConnorJC, let's hold off on spending too much time talking about or voting based on interaction tells - remember, any given interaction set is as likely to be Mason as Mafia, and we may be pointing out the Masons to the Mafia if we go too hard on connections. Something to think more about after we have a flip or a claim. How do you feel about lynching Transcend on his own merits though?
@GameNBurger, bombcat, Flubbernugget: Let's lynch Transcend today, yeah? How do you feel about that?

Fair enough, forgot about the potential to be mason. To be honest I'm really on the fence with Transcend. I don't like his play, but I honestly can see a misguided towny playing that way as well. That said, he's an experienced player and every post with just an accusation and no analysis looks worse and worse.

Get used to it

[ConnorJC]

I realize this is early in the game, so this is really tentative, but I like Echo+Trans as scum partners.

- Echo's RVS vote was on trans, but he quickly switched off of it (Even though he stays on me for a long time with a "pressure" vote)
- Both are voting with a serious lack of logic (This is especially important because Echo is somewhat sheeping Trans, even though Trans has barely any analysis backed up by logic/scumhunting)
- Echo tried to lean on Trans to back him up on his self-meta read
- Trans dedicated a whole post to TRing Echo rather than lumping him in like with most of his TRs

While each of these individually are fairly weak, with all this piling up so early I'm getting a bad vibe from Trans and Echo.

first off if you think trans and I are both this bad/obvious as scum if you end up in a game with one of us as scum you've got another thing coming...

my RVS vote was on trans because it was RVS? if you want reason then keep looking because it was

random

as it states in the name

Random

Voting Stage. Also staying on you for about 12 hours isn't a "long time". You seem to have a habit of blowing things out of proportion.

We're just over 100 posts into this game, if you want logic then go sub into a game that's in d3 because there's not much logic that you can get from 100ish total posts in a game

This third reason is complete ass cheeks as I also leaned onto GameNBurger as well? And both of them were in the game? I don't really understand how me acknowledging people that were in my last game enhances a scum read on me or trans?

What post did Trans dedicate to TRing me...?? I highly doubt it was anything over 3 sentences but Idek what the fuck you're talking about...

PEdit: Sesq is a female, not a he

Also if you guys really find Trans and I as scum buddies then go ahead and lynch me first. I'd much rather Trans stay alive for the sake of the town as he's a much better player than I am

Nice ad hominem. I also love how you're trying to discredit everyone's logic by acting like the first 100 posts don't count or something.

Also, calm down, you're not getting lynched yet. I haven't even voted you or Transcend yet.

[Transcend]

Echo is obv town

Lynch sun.

[wavemode]

Echo is obv town

Lynch sun.

I need some meat on these bones. Tell me why I should consider Echo obv town.

[Flubbernugget]

I'm not interested in lynching either of your right now

[wavemode]

^ By that you mean Echo/Sun? Or who

[wavemode]

Raya's seems incongruous too. Spends most of post 79 talking about other things, then jumps on Connorwagon almost as an afterthought because "he seems sheepy." Then unvotes when Flubbernugget tells her to.

Only three scum in the game, but half of you guys seem scummy.

you're reaching

I'm not too sure about his fluidity with Connor, he votes him and then less than 15 posts later he just kinda agrees that somebody was right on Connor so he unvotes.

If connor flips scum I'm okay with looking at this as a potential scum buddy. Would make sense if he voted it as an excuse "nah I sus'd him at one point I can't be his buddy"

If the lynch went through then he looks good because he was on the wagon, when the wagon started loosing steam he was like yeah i don't have to be here and dipped

Echovision, explain to me the difference between what Sun said about Raya and what you said. I ask because you seem to be scumreading Sun, and the basis seems to be that he had reachy, opportunistic reads? But as far as I can tell the two of you actually said the exact same thing about Raya. Can I get your analysis on this? And in no uncertain terms, do you currently consider SunChild as the most likely player to be scum?

[Transcend]

Because i town read echo

Lynch the sun, it gives people cancer

[Sesq]

i still kinda think connor is scum but lol who knows

Sesq seems non-committed to his vote on Conner. I don't like it. He hasn't posted much, but the little he has posted doesn't seem good at all.

VOTE: UNVOTE

I'm not really convinced on the the cases on Sun, and he has been contributing his suspicions and logic and they seem fine to me, and it seems that Transcend and Echo are trying to invalidate that and Sun's credibility.

I'll put more later.

muh pronouns

but in terms of actual posting, dont pretend like being oblique is an automatic scumtell because we both know that isnt the case

[ConnorJC]

i still kinda think connor is scum but lol who knows

Sesq seems non-committed to his vote on Conner. I don't like it. He hasn't posted much, but the little he has posted doesn't seem good at all.

VOTE: UNVOTE

I'm not really convinced on the the cases on Sun, and he has been contributing his suspicions and logic and they seem fine to me, and it seems that Transcend and Echo are trying to invalidate that and Sun's credibility.

I'll put more later.

This post is very towny, good analysis on Sesq and willing to scumhunt.

Offtopic: By the way, there's an unvote tag too

[Agent Sparkles]

Is Kcdaspot in this game? He's listed as alive but still hasn't posted.

Kcdaspot is in the game but hasn't picked up his role PM yet. He has about 24 hours left to respond.

[Transcend]

hey mod!

have a page top ^^