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[Robbnva]

Dw Zach, I've got an eye out for you as well.

I've got issues with your list but Talk to me about ircher and Tb. Neither of them have contributed enough to this game to warrant a strong town read. Why are they town.

[DrumBeats]

I'd like to hear tb as well, but I'm with you on ircher.

[Robbnva]

Drum. What is your definition of a lie?

[MarioManiac4]

Dw Zach, I've got an eye out for you as well.

I've got issues with your list but Talk to me about ircher and Tb. Neither of them have contributed enough to this game to warrant a strong town read. Why are they town.

Ircher is town because he's seeing what I'm seeing the way I'm seeing it. That has happened before when Ircher was town, but I can't remember the last time scum saw what I saw the way I saw it. Maybe it never happened. Or maybe it happened one time on Epicmafia, IDK. The point is, it's rare.
Some players have distinctive styles you can pick up on. TB is town.

[Creature]

@Creature - Why did you find Robb's "sup" post scummy?

Not that I found it scummy. It's part RVS, part something I didn't expect Robbnva to say at his first post.

@Creature - Why not mention the Robb scumread at the time, especially given your first two posts?

I wanted to wait. Sometimes reads can change, and if I mention it it might harm my chances of getting a read.

[DrumBeats]

Drum. What is your definition of a lie?

A statement that is objectively false - and the speaker knows that when it is spoken.

Creature's is not a lie because it is not objectively false. He said he would not vote until he found something scummy, then he found your post scummy. Whether you agree with the read or not is another thing, but it is not a lie.

To clarify about the second part; you are calling me scum right now. You pull off the lynch and I flip town. Unless you are scum, you are not lying by saying I am scum, because you do not know that I'm not.

PEDIT:

Creature - why vote then?

[Robbnva]

Not that I found it scummy. It's part RVS, part something I didn't expect Robbnva to say at his first post.

You have to have a familiarity with me to know what I would or wouldn't do. I've probably started 10-15 games minimum with "sup"

Mario just found one on this account.

So do you want to stick with that or try for something better?

[DrumBeats]

I don't see what creature said as a lie. I find people who dont participate in rvs as scummy because it deprives ton of info later in the game. Going out on a limb here to say maybe creature feels the same way and when you came into the game without voting it was scummy to him. I probably would have waited a minute before voting you to see what you did in your next post, but have you played with creature before?

@ Former - right here. You gave him reasoning to use, which I wasn't thrilled with.

[Robbnva]

A statement that is objectively false - and the speaker knows that when it is spoken.

So given his original posts and his recent one and the knowledge that "sup" is something I do, Will you now concede that he lied? Cause that completely fits your own definition

[Creature]

Creature - why vote then?

To RVS.

[DrumBeats]

A statement that is objectively false - and the speaker knows that when it is spoken.

So given his original posts and his recent one and the knowledge that "sup" is something I do, Will you now concede that he lied? Cause that completely fits your own definition

Yes I would, albiet an NAI one - but how you jumped to that assumption without that information available and would not consider any other options is still sketchy imo.

[DrumBeats]

Creature - why vote then?

To RVS.

Then why even make your first post?

[Creature]

Wanted to see if I could get a reaction or something not-so-ordinary at RVS.

[Zachstralkita]

@ Zach - Do not act like the push on Robb is due to those three posts. I've said many times it's his reaction to it that was scummy. Creature's post was not a lie, yet Robb has been pushing it as if it were one.

You're holding the most inane position ever. Why are you engaging me on this?

"I'm going to wait for a scummy post to vote"

"sup"

"vote"


I see how he Robb thought that was a lie. "sup" is a greeting

I don't see how "sup" is scummier than anything else anyone posts in RVS.

@ Zach - Do you think Creature lied? If he did, why do you think that as opposed to a bad scumread?

what creature said is "I'm going to wait for a scummy post before voting"

He couldn't have "lied" because what he considers scummy is subjective. He can do something that we consider stupid but that's about it.


I don't scumread him this second he's probably lower null

[Robbnva]

A statement that is objectively false - and the speaker knows that when it is spoken.

So given his original posts and his recent one and the knowledge that "sup" is something I do, Will you now concede that he lied? Cause that completely fits your own definition

Yes I would, albiet an NAI one - but how you jumped to that assumption without that information available and would not consider any other options is still sketchy imo.

I made the jump because I used common sense. That's a really useful skill to have. I also never said his lie was AI.

It's just like all the reasons people are voting me aren't AI.

[Robbnva]

Wanted to see if I could get a reaction or something not-so-ordinary at RVS.

Probably a good idea to know the person you are reaction testing before reaction testing them.

[firecrocer]

I definitely don't trust ircher cause he's given bad advice already. Former fish is another I don't fully trust either.

So that's already 3 people you can't trust, and therefore can't work with. Are you willing to bet that those three people are scum? And if you don't then how are we going to get together and catch the scum!?

[ThinkBig]

VOTE: Robbnva

[Robbnva]

I definitely don't trust ircher cause he's given bad advice already. Former fish is another I don't fully trust either.

So that's already 3 people you can't trust, and therefore can't work with. Are you willing to bet that those three people are scum? And if you don't then how are we going to get together and catch the scum!?

Dude. Try reading the last part of the post you quoted and lmk if your question was even necessary

[Ircher]

Definitely anti-town.

This is re: my 77 It's anti town to not want to work with dishonest people? Man that's 2 terrible posts you've made. You have an issue with me wanting to policy lynch somebody, that's fair but there is absolutely nothing anti-town about refusing to work with a person you don't trust. In the real world would you invest your money with a person you didn't trust? Probably not. Would you buy a car from a guy who was dishonest? Most people wouldn't. So why is it any different in mafia? Why would you want to work with someone you can't trust? If you can do that cool, but I can't.

His lie really isn't that much of a lie; you are making a mountain out of a molehill and that's suspicious.

[Ircher]

from what I remember of creatures play he is capable of even get dumbest of reaction tests. You are the one who seems to have trouble moving on.

Oh I'm completely aware that was a reaction test.

I can't move on cause everyone keeps talking about it. If somebody asks me a question I'm not going to ignore it. At this point people should stop asking me about my vote and my perception of his lie cause I've explained it now multiple times.

If people think that makes me scum, I can't change that. I'll try and stop responding if possible but my personality doesn't really allow me to ignore things. It'll be a struggle for me.

Why are you playing the victim here?

1) You're the one who called Creature out for his "lie" at the beginning
2) Others are telling you it says nothing of his alignment
3) Now, you're stating that

everyone else

is the reason this is still being discussed.
4) You said you wanted to PL Creature cuz said lie makes him dishnest.

[Robbnva]

His lie really isn't that much of a lie; you are making a mountain out of a molehill and that's suspicious.

It's a lie though. Saying I want to start off policy lynching a liar until I find something better isn't making a mountain out of a molehill. EVERYONE who is making a big deal out of my vote are the ones making a mountain out of a molehill.

If you don't like me for a policy lynch vote that's fine. Don't like me. But to say it is scummy and that it makes me scum is complete BS and any experienced player should know that.

[Ircher]

I'm not going to waste my time reading your reason cause I will ultimately disagree with it. It's never anti town to be suspicious and refuse to work with known liars.

Even if the lie was insignificant

.

This is the number one issue I have with you at the moment.

[Robbnva]

I'm playing the victim cause I am the victim.

1. Literally nothing wrong with that. It isn't scummy and it certainly isn't AI and more important it's the truth.
2. I have already said myself the lie isn't alignment indicative. It's a fucking policy lynch. Do you even know what that means? Of course you do cause you aren't a n00b
3. Yes. That's what everyone is talking about. Even though I shouldn't have to, I'm always going to defend myself.
4. Yes. Because it does. Do you agree a person who lies is dishonest?

[Robbnva]

I'm not going to waste my time reading your reason cause I will ultimately disagree with it. It's never anti town to be suspicious and refuse to work with known liars.

Even if the lie was insignificant

.

This is the number one issue I have with you at the moment.

Why?