Mini Normal 1925: Complete

[Robbnva]

I'm going to bed. I'm not going to get into an argument about reaction tests. It's obvious you've missed the point

[Robbnva]

but your scumread on me is based off of him being town.

Like I'm completely lost how you came to this conclusion when I've called out multiple posts of yours as scummy and said that I don't see you genuinely scum hunting.

Make a case.

No because that would be redundant. Redundancy is a bad thing imo. Why I scum read ircher is also available in the game thread as I've also called out his scummy posts like I did yours.

[Elena Fisher]

Catching up tomorrow or tonight depends how tired I am

[firecrocer]

Meeeeh

Ircher:

Seems like he townreads MM4 just because he agrees with him.
Former says hello and gets upset someone didn't recognize him, then

votes Ircher

for muddying the waters, says some stuff about spammy threads and then MM4 votes for former.
So Ircher likes MM4 for voting Former who just voted him and says it's a "great vote"

VOTE: Ircher

[Ircher]

@Drum -- I'm not gonna reference the meta specifically cuz it's unethical to do so.

[Ircher]

Also, @Drum:

Why should I out whether I am Vengeful or not?

[Ircher]

Meeeeh

Ircher:

Seems like he townreads MM4 just because he agrees with him.
Former says hello and gets upset someone didn't recognize him, then

votes Ircher

for muddying the waters, says some stuff about spammy threads and then MM4 votes for former.
So Ircher likes MM4 for voting Former who just voted him and says it's a "great vote"

VOTE: Ircher

Regardless if this is the case or not, please explain how this narrative makes me scum.

[Zachstralkita]

His reaction was far from null imo. If nothing else it got a push out of RVS, but I think it may have bagged us a scum.

You're literally going to tear a ligament if you reach any harder



Besides that,

VOTE: DrumBeats

[Formerfish]

@ Former - Why was it a TvT interaction?

First, holy shit i just figured out a faster way to quote, how did i not know about highlighting something and then hitting quote before?

I saw this as a tvt because I have seen creature play before and he pulls this kind of stupid shit all the time as town. Its a red herring that scum often takes the bait from. I'm seeing Rob as town because while I dont agree with his actual reasoning, I can see why creature would piss him off and would want him dead. I do that for stupid reasons too sometimes and its because of the tunnel.

[Elena Fisher]

Page 7

I'd do normal quotes but that's a bit of work with that wall so
In post 156 We get lines like this from Drum

there is nothing scummy about starting the game off with a simple 'sup" - but I can see where somebody might get a slight scumread from it.

Please tell me why people would scumread this? I have my own reasons but I'd like to hear yours.

This isn't town trying to sort a player. This is town or scum trying to discredit a player and push a policy lynch on them, without the policy actually being fulfilled. I'm leaning towards scum, but I can see the same actions from a townie who likes to tunnel too much

Lots of hedging and safe bet posting but regardless what makes you lean scum on Rob for all this

I want to say I think Rob is town and is getting set up to ml I agree with whoever said he was a chop chop srs player I understand from his pov why he thinks the things he's saying aren't scummy and I don't see reason for rob to just attack anyone who goes against him he'd be painting a giant target on him that he has no need for so early in the game mafia want to blend in and this certainly isn't blending in at all.

I did like drums 160 it seems like he's trying to solve rob no matter how complex it is so mixed feelings given I didn't like 156 but I'd much rather focus on others besides them I think scum are most likely going to hide behind them and most likely do the work for them this game

@Rob

Do you not work with people who lie because you think it's scummy or you just dislike it? Everyone lies town or scum it can be useful in many cases I'm confused by why you hate it so much
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@Robb - who can you trust this game so far? I really would like to work with you, but I need you to work on breaking out of dumbass death tunnels.

So I assume this means you tr Rob? Why's that

It's hard to move off to somebody else when the only serious discussion surrounds one topic. Don't worry I won't death tunnel but until some discussions happen about something else I'm limited. There are lots of players who need to contribute so once they do I can assess them.

I started the game off trusting everyone. I don't currently trust anyone voting me cause none of them have a valid reason. Nothing I've done is alignment indicative. It's not even scummy.

I definitely don't trust ircher cause he's given bad advice already. Former fish is another I don't fully trust either.

The good thing is these other players can start doing things to improve their standing with me. The only player who can't is creature

First of all another reason I tr rob in the bolded it screams geniune but the main reasons I quoted this was to tell you rob we all have those thoughts on ourself I do too I can look at some of my posts and go "This looks super towny!" and others can scumread them and I'll be baffled the thing you have to do is try to figure why they find it scummy because you're clearly bias torwards yourself as is everyone in the game not just distrust everyone voting you

Marios posting on this page just makes me wince I don't like it I've glanced at other games from him and he's much more cocky and aggro as town here he seems to just be coasting without a care to do anything Page 9 here we go

[Ircher]

Former, can you offer reads on people besides Robbnva and myself?

[Elena Fisher]

Page 9

I am town

lynch all liars

What is the point of posts like these you sr Rob I guess? Why you haven't really done anything this game.

@Ircher

I remember you townreading Mario very hard why is that I'm not seeing it at all

I'm going to go on record here and say that I do not support lynching all liars. There are three kinds of lies in games: Lies that help town, lies that hurt town, and lies that are not alignment indicative and are null in nature. In Micro 723, I was a full cop. I claimed 1-shot cop on d2 in order to get 2 confirmed townies and avoid the night kill. The gambit worked and I was able to clear another player n2. I had the game nearly solved until BBT came in and fake claimed 2-shot redirector. This caused me to panic and lynch him instead of the scum that was already caught. That's an example of a lie that hurts town.

Another example of a lie that hurts town is in Mini Normal 1919 when Boonskiies faked an innocent on Fykus (who was actually the last remaining scum). His lie could have costed town the entire game had he not have admitted that he was lying.


Creature's lie fits into the third category. His lie is neither harmful to town nor helpful to town. It is NAI.

I believe in lynching all liars when the lie hurts town.

Sadly, I have seen town lie far more often than scum.

The bolded doesn't make much sense to me if town lie more than scum (and I somewhat agree) does that mean you policy lynch everyone you see some people are stupid and do some dumb things that hurt town I don't think saying it goes into 3 categories is right I think it's mostly the reason why they made such a lie is the thing to look at

In post 207 fire says:

I'm leaning Ircher as town, although

we don't really have a lot to go off of at this point.

I think his thing in the beginning is leantown, a way of getting reactions to sort players.

Or i'm falling for his trap, also likely.

His readlist is protown, helps us see his logic and where his head's at.

I don't see why he was suspicious of grat and I asking about the game setup, and seemed very aggressive about it.

I'd like to hear more from Grat and MM4, what are your reads?

Disclaimer: Still not all the way caught up

Let's talk about the bolded first. All this is once again hedging (if you can't tell already I really hate it ) A lot of Okay I think this

but

I hate this a lot it can come from town it just always pings me for people to leave a back pedel I have more reasons why on this but it's in my best interest to not explain that. Now the blue. Why does this make him prob town? I thought the readlist was NAI I'd assume scum make the same reads list as town what makes this list so good it's more likely to come from town then it is scum? Now the black
That line along with the asking about the game set up is the 2 major things I dislike about fire I don't see why town needs to know if the game is an open or not I don't see how it helps them much at all because an open set up tells you who the pr's are and mafia needs to know this more then town I don't see why you need to put "I'm not caught up yet" unless you're scared to be grilled or something along those lines it's just not good to me


I hate that reads list from mario it's just...Where did that come from
VOTE: Mario
Not much from page 10 I feel the need to comment on

[Ircher]

Deceitful
Red
Usurper
Malignant
Belligerent
Evil
Avid
Tough
Scum
VOTE: DrumBeats

[ThinkBig]

VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Ircher

Die scum die!

[ThinkBig]

Robb/Ircher = Never a team
Robb/Creature = Never a team

[Ircher]

Robb/Ircher = Never a team
Robb/Creature = Never a team

Explain.

[Ircher]

@Elena -- I had an early strong townread on Mario.

Mario is still a townread; nothing has made me change that, but not quite as strong as in my readslist earlier.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Ircher

Die scum die!

why is this a thing

{elena, formerfish, firecrocer}- let's choose one

[ThinkBig]

VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: Ircher

Die scum die!

why is this a thing

{elena, formerfish, firecrocer}- let's choose one

I choose Ircher!

[ThinkBig]

Robb/Ircher = Never a team
Robb/Creature = Never a team

Explain.

Robb's interactions between you and creature does not seem SVS to me. Robb's interaction with Creature screams TVT and his interaction with you screams SVT with you being scum. A red flip on you clears Robb IMO.

[MarioManiac4]

why is this a thing

seriously why is it ircher is obvtown

[ThinkBig]

Icher is not obvtown.

[ThinkBig]

Why is Ircher town?

[MarioManiac4]

Why is Ircher scum?

[Zachstralkita]

{elena, formerfish, firecrocer}- let's choose one

explain through what computations you arived at this