Mini Normal 1914 - Sunshine Mafia - Game Over

Nachomamma8 · Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:40 am

If he killed himself he would have to target scum to do so. If scum decided to kill him for some insane reason he'd still register motion because he would be targeted.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:54 am

In post 2252, MarioManiac4 wrote:
In post 2250, Nachomamma8 wrote:If he killed himself he would have to target scum to do so. If scum decided to kill him for some insane reason he'd still register motion because he would be targeted.
Yeah. So, really, the only way Vedith has motion is if he killed himself. Learning that he killed himself, we learn, "Oh, well then, Syn has to be scum, right?" Because she does.

Or he made the kill...?

Nachomamma8 · Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:01 am

In post 2251, MarioManiac4 wrote:The NoKill, although it grants us an extra mislynch, adds an extra layer of WIFOM that ends up bringing Syndesis out of the firing range.

And instead of just having to mislynch you, Dunker/Syn now has to mislynch you and me.

That is beyond dumb - that is absolutely nonsensical. This is the gambit equivalent of no lynching on day 1 to "throw scum off". You can craft a theory that makes slightly more sense than whatever alternative but considering your theory still requires a scumteam that very sincerely and completely fucked up, I'm of the school of thought that we thank them for the nice mislynch and move on. I don't understand how anyone can even pretend to climb into the minds of this scumteam.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:04 am

In post 2251, MarioManiac4 wrote:Think of the scenario you're suggesting; Vedith commits sudoku, Mafia kill a player- that's incredibly obvious, isn't it?

Like any theory that requires a scumteam killing one of their own at night to be "incredibly obvious" already has a bit of a bad premise. Vedith was in a better position that Syndesis was yesterday. Vedith was willing to put in more work than Syndesis was. Vedith sacrificing himself for her would be weird.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:39 pm

Intent to hammer.
I'll wait for Mario to write up his post on mulch but I haven't been remotely moved by anything that he's posted so far.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:46 am

In post 261, Mulch wrote:I'm actually going to UNVOTE: for now.

The things that originally pinged me about Marioo are this: but he got progressively better as the game went on. My thoughts here for whoever wants to see it.

Spoiler:
In posts 13 and 26, he memes but posts the same meme twice. This isn't suspicious but something that I want to note, because often times when I am scum I have trouble sounding natural in the meme phase. Of course, nothing concrete here.
In post 29, he jumps on someone for not doing a vote. I get that this is a classic scumhunt, but that's my problem with it here. He is acting aggresive, which is good, but it's for literally the easiest reason that anyone could think of.
In post 36, he gives a pretty weird explanation. So, the background for this post is that he voted LaLight before, something I thought was a meme. It turns out it wasn't, but it really really did seem like one. The fact that here he felt the need to explain his vote on Lalight is weird, although I like the fact that he did not feel the need to explain why he thought someone was scummy.

This is why Mulch started pushing you initially, so to say that his initial push was completely baseless is wrong unless you're making the argument that the reasoning for a vote needs to be given when it's made.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:50 am

His vote on you the second time was for "townreading too many people" initially, but I think that the more insightful observation was that you weren't really being confrontational (aside from the push on Drag which was just nonsense).

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:37 am

Those are my thoughts as well.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:33 am

Scum in PRs.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:22 am

I had intent to hammer on Mario yesterday before Dunker hammered + I said that I had three townreads yesterday and thought the path to winning lied in lynching outside of those three townreads.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:22 am

In post 2156, Nachomamma8 wrote:But really my inclination is to lynch Dunkernoodles now and see how I feel about Mario/Syndesis from there. Can't see myself voting IaI, TF, or Dany this game unless a bomb gets dropped.

Vote: Dunkernoodles

This is my full post.
This view hasn't changed.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:23 am

Neither of those posts are wrong; if scum didn't do whatever they did last night, they would have won with a Mario mislynch.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:57 am

I learned that Dunker/Syndesis was the scumteam. When lynching Dunker, I expected to learn that Dunker was scum.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:23 am

Not hammering yet. Will probably hammer soon.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:40 am

In general, I think it's good form to give time in situations like these; if Syndesis is town, she now knows the scumteam and knows that she can win the game if she can make a good case for it. If she's scum, she knows the odds are overwhelmingly against her at this point so she doesn't have motivation to demonstrate otherwise.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:07 am

Vote: Dunkernoodles

Nachomamma8 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:08 am

In post 2404, Dunkerdoodles wrote:well that was a long night.
anyways nacho is scum

VOTE: nacho

i guess iai wins if he's scum. highly doubt it tho

This is not the posting of a town player who has recently replaced into the game - he suddenly has you at 100% town, zero doubt at all - this isn't natural at all.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:10 pm

Unfortunate result, but probably shouldn't have ended any other way.
I would have liked a bit more time to argue my case - think that mush played pretty well overall but Dunker's scum motivation was fairly clear and obvious and the Vedith death night was something that happened from scum being silly and wasn't a night that I ever would have allowed to happen.