Micro 729: C-C9 Mafia | Game Over

[Gorkington]

VOTE: Mykonian

[mykonian]

I suppose the revote while already on the wagon is supposed to have a meaning? Feel free to elaborate.

[Papa Zito]

Seems random, but sure.

vote btd

Ok I appreciate the support but I thought I was part of your scumpool so what gives.

[mykonian]

Well that's pretty pointless at the time where I could happily see half the game turn up as scum. As for BTD:

BTD happily latches on to the theory discussion and doesn't feel like discussing reads whatsoever. At that point it's basically pointless to even talk about him being noncommittal isn't it? Everybody knows, it's

strategy

I feel there's too many posts that I would just love to get away with if I were scum. Say, BTD's, that has to be the easiest two posts to make as scum. Didn't have to antagonise anybody, seems perfectly reasonable given it was more or less discussed already, didn't have to take a single risk. I know nothing about him and I don't want it to stay that way.

First quote gives my problem with the choice. Of all the ones to make, I don't see which makes btd the one to go for. He's scummy, but what makes him the scummiest to you?

[Gorkington]

see myko part of the problem is that i feel like you dont actually believe anything youre pushing.
the jumping from person to person while also pushing a level of conviction there feels weird and then these people dont do anything to alleviate your read on them and your response is to fold to pressure and move on to someone else.
it really just kind of feels like youre searching for something that sticks more than actually trying to find scum here.
:/

[Gorkington]

can you rank your scumreads? the ones youre most confident in to the least.

[Papa Zito]

Well I dunno if you've got a hierarchy or something going, it just struck me as odd that you'd be willing to shift just cuz I asked.

Lack of presence and lack of game solving make them the top candidate to me. They opened saying "I am trying to break [the game]" and then proceeded to completely fail in breaking it. For someone who's trying to project as a cerebral player their analysis fails to take some very important things into consideration (both cops getting NKed, lack of info from 2 days worth of day play) and even though they note some weaknesses in their own arguments they continues to push the notion anyway. There's an agenda here and I don't think it's a town one.

[mykonian]

see myko part of the problem is that i feel like you dont actually believe anything youre pushing.
the jumping from person to person while also pushing a level of conviction there feels weird and then these people dont do anything to alleviate your read on them and your response is to fold to pressure and move on to someone else.
it really just kind of feels like youre searching for something that sticks more than actually trying to find scum here.
:/

I know where you are coming from and it's not that way. But if I explain that I'm diving well into selfmeta and at that point it probably serves you better if you look for yourself? First page of my wiki should be a decent start as it has some stats, as well as my mafia card in MD which I'm still supposed to add to my wiki.

can you rank your scumreads? the ones youre most confident in to the least.

I don't have them like that in my head, but if I had to say now:

tenshii

chamber

realeo
btd6

zito

I like that zito takes new roads into the game (one of my very problems with tenshii, that his focus is where the towns focus already lies), my biggest issue was how long it took for him to start. I run the real danger there that I'm making one eye king in the land of the blind. I think tenshii above chamber because the stubbornness that bothers me isn't exactly unlike chamber, question becomes more if he's employing at this point. He did close down under the pressure, which could be him being fed up or him finding a convenient moment to not have to say as much anymore. "Meh". It's a more dubious read now than it was at the start of the game. BTD6/realeo bother me because there's no movement from these, very similar even if the post count is completely different. There's no intention to make a change.

I'm forgetting eso which isn't a good sign either. I'd have to reread to know what he's done. He can sit above realeo, because he's under my radar. You are town, bella is absent.

[Papa Zito]

my biggest issue was how long it took for him to start

I run into this sentiment all the time.

Just because I didn't write that paragraph the second I put my vote down doesn't mean I wasn't thinking it at the time. Pls see here for a very strong early influence on Zito's playstyle.

[Gorkington]

UNVOTE:
my vote is for sale
i want to hear some good offers for it

[mykonian]

Not like that. It's this post:

Well that certainly didn't give me any reason to move my vote.

Do you think scum myko antagonizes someone not voting him while at L-1?

I thought he was writing 3 paragraphs about a joke post but apparently this is actually a thing so I'm just letting whatever this is play out.

What you describe is thinking someone is scum, showing it, but not saying anything about it. What I see is saying something about a suspicion (you misread the situation), and not having an alternative suspicion to go from. It's not keeping information from us like thesp describes, it's not having the information as of yet and waiting for the game to come to you.

Pedit:

Dear gork. I have on offer a scumbag extraordinaire. Rarely seen such a specimen in this part of the world. I went to great lengths to procure him just so that this little village might experience the delights of the far west? (lets assume he's murican). I know you've heard about him, I know his call has tempted you, so come on over and be a little crazy for once: vote tenshii.

[Papa Zito]

What you describe is thinking someone is scum, showing it, but not saying anything about it. What I see is saying something about a suspicion (you misread the situation), and not having an alternative suspicion to go from. It's not keeping information from us like thesp describes, it's not having the information as of yet and waiting for the game to come to you.

Not entirely, no. I have suspicions and townreads that I haven't voiced at all because I don't think it's to the town's benefit to do so at this time.

You're calling for Tenshii votes when you're on the BTD wagon? You're playing a weird game myko.

[mykonian]

Makes perfect sense to me But feel free to make a counteroffer!

[Papa Zito]

Well I've already called for more BTD votes and I even laid out why I'm there a few posts ago so that clearly wasn't what Gork's looking for.

Being on one wagon (which you listed p far down on your hierarchy btw) and then calling for votes on someone else doesn't make a ton of sense to me no.

[Gorkington]

im looking for a wide variety of offers before i sell.
if i act too soon i could get less than what my vote is worth!!
):

[mykonian]

the secret to maximising profit is increasing turnover.

[Papa Zito]

What if more than 3-4 people were playing this game.

Can you imagine.

[Gorkington]

it can be hard to keep up in this current meta.

[mykonian]

well you two are here. Without peeking, what do you know about eso?

[Gorkington]

he was fine when he started and now he isnt here.
pretty big bummer.

[Papa Zito]

well you two are here. Without peeking, what do you know about eso?

I had to peek cuz we don't have a player named eso in the game :3

He's still a big fat question mark in my book. Apparently he committed to content today so I'm hype for that.

[mykonian]

edo*

And yeah, after peeking earlier, he did start fast and loose, then disappeared. Not much solid from there yet.

[BTD6_maker]

Realeo, it looks as though Mykonian is worse here. Mykonian seemed to be pushing Chamber at first simply for posting about theory and a possible breaking strategy (and there is one) in RVS. This does not imply scum. Instead, posting about breaking strategies is a lot more likely to come from Town. If you are Town and discover a breaking strategy, you want to say it in order to win. If you are scum, you would keep it to yourself in order to stop Town from using it against you. I may go into more detail later.

Either way, we are No Lynching today and tomorrow.

[chamber]

We aren't no lynching. The strategy was only viable before people spoke this much. Now at least one cop is obvious and is getting nightkilled. Which ruins the whole thing.

[Gorkington]

if youre upset about us not doing the no lynch strategy we could lynch you so that you dont have to look at the game anymore?