What? I'm not advocating for the strategy, I'm advocating for him to engage the game. I'm not happy that he's not engaging the game. I just don't think being minimalist in engaging the game is scummy when you are advocating a strategy that depends on town roles remaining hidden.
In post 248, chamber wrote:You are forcing him to prove it by calling him scum for believing it. What else do you expect him to do?
Drop the nonsense and play mafia?
If there's actual math involved why the hell is that only being conjured up now. Surely all that reasoning existed when he came up with the Grand Plan. Surely he's not just making shit up on the fly.
In post 250, chamber wrote:I'm not advocating for the strategy, I'm advocating for him to engage the game. I'm not happy that he's not engaging the game.
given that you are explaining away problems for him, I doubt this. This:
In post 234, chamber wrote:@BTD: You should start engaging the game from other angles bud, we are lynching and you want to be part of that.
isn't a complaint. It's you coaching and I don't like the tone of it one bit.
Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.
In post 248, chamber wrote:You are forcing him to prove it by calling him scum for believing it. What else do you expect him to do?
Drop the nonsense and play mafia?
If there's actual math involved why the hell is that only being conjured up now. Surely all that reasoning existed when he came up with the Grand Plan. Surely he's not just making shit up on the fly.
right
Of course there is actual math. I doubt he's run the numbers and is operating off of gut. Same thing I was in post 1. I was too lazy to run the numbers past realizing that getting to day 3 with 5 results (including the 2 cops) is a guaranteed auto win, and that it could be an auto win with as few as 4, but I believe 3 is the most likely outcome. 3 is no better than just lynching. Unfortunately again, I think this all got taken off the table when 1 of the cops made themselves super obvious.
In post 250, chamber wrote:I'm not advocating for the strategy, I'm advocating for him to engage the game. I'm not happy that he's not engaging the game.
given that you are explaining away problems for him, I doubt this. This:
In post 234, chamber wrote:@BTD: You should start engaging the game from other angles bud, we are lynching and you want to be part of that.
isn't a complaint. It's you coaching and I don't like the tone of it one bit.
If I was happy with him not engaging the game why would I be telling him to engage the game? I don't think he's scum for it. There is space to no think hes scum for it, but still be unhappy with his play.
In post 254, chamber wrote:If I was happy with him not engaging the game why would I be telling him to engage the game? I don't think he's scum for it. There is space to no think hes scum for it, but still be unhappy with his play.
Not engaging with the game, except for the single instance where he could defend himself in a roundabout way, is not scummy.
You are bending yourself in strange ways to make this one work.
Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.
In post 248, chamber wrote:You are forcing him to prove it by calling him scum for believing it. What else do you expect him to do?
Drop the nonsense and play mafia?
If there's actual math involved why the hell is that only being conjured up now. Surely all that reasoning existed when he came up with the Grand Plan. Surely he's not just making shit up on the fly.
right
There was mathematics involved in it. Calculating the exact probability is a very long process, which I am in the middle of (and even then I am still making some simplifying assumptions). It mostly involves checking a huge number of cases and subacases. I mainly used heuristics to arrive at the conclusion that my breaking strategy is very likely to work.
I study mathematics. I am not going to simply make up rubbish.
"one of these days i'll read you correctly" - Transcend, Micro 714
I'd be super surprised you'd be scum together, it makes way more sense if you are and stuck to a read you knew to be true despite evidence. Or you are just being weird and I can't read you for shit and he's scum after all. But this situation is
wrong
.
vote chamber
Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.
I'm not bending at all. I think you are scum so it's not surprising that you are pulling accusations out of your ass, but if you are town you don't understand what I'm saying. Full stop.
Nah, it's what you don't say. I press you twice on the fact that btd takes one single deviation from his nonengagement, he comments on one scenario, to defend himself by proxy, and twice you refrain from comment to keep your positive outlook of him intact. There's no confusion.
Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.
In post 259, mykonian wrote:Nah, it's what you don't say. I press you twice on the fact that btd takes one single deviation from his nonengagement, he comments on one scenario, to defend himself by proxy, and twice you refrain from comment to keep your positive outlook of him intact. There's no confusion.
I ignored it because it doesn't make any sense to me? I don't think he's done anything that I'd define as engaging the game.
In post 222, BTD6_maker wrote:Realeo, it looks as though Mykonian is worse here. Mykonian seemed to be pushing Chamber at first simply for posting about theory and a possible breaking strategy (and there is one) in RVS. This does not imply scum. Instead, posting about breaking strategies is a lot more likely to come from Town. If you are Town and discover a breaking strategy, you want to say it in order to win. If you are scum, you would keep it to yourself in order to stop Town from using it against you. I may go into more detail later.
Either way, we are No Lynching today and tomorrow.
In post 179, Gorkington wrote:like, what would have been the town way to go about that?
would town him have gone through all of the pros and cons of what town would do vs scum would do? why is it not just him taking a step back and thinking "what will scum do to fuck with whats going on?"?
are you actually confident that scum is more likely to do that than town or are you just spitballing here?
Do you see the town point of view turn up in his post at all?
Even if your first thought is how it could go horribly wrong through a certain line of scum's, how's not your next thought: "well how can I fix this". In this case, say you predominantly direct people to target their scumreads. For one, you get a claim situation where you can criticise people, the second, you avoid tenshii's line. And it's dead obvious first solution (if scum follow his strategy, they shoot in their mislynch pool), but he doesn't even give it a thought. I don't know if it's
the
solution, but then you can talk about it.
I don't understand how you can look at a post that makes the choice to think about the setup, and the only features the scum side of things, no interest in advancing what town could do about it, and consider this perfectly fine. It's as unnatural as it gets.
You're literally doing what you're pushing me for. Why aren't you continuing off of my thought process and trying to figure out a solution to fix it?
You've barely posted at all and are now posting a V/lA for 40% of the remaining time. I'm tempted to just lynch you if you are going to be even less active during that period.
In post 222, BTD6_maker wrote:Realeo, it looks as though Mykonian is worse here. Mykonian seemed to be pushing Chamber at first simply for posting about theory and a possible breaking strategy (and there is one) in RVS. This does not imply scum. Instead, posting about breaking strategies is a lot more likely to come from Town. If you are Town and discover a breaking strategy, you want to say it in order to win. If you are scum, you would keep it to yourself in order to stop Town from using it against you. I may go into more detail later.
1. But why the conclusion is scum!Myko instead of stupid!Myko?
2. I have won a game as scum simply because I posted the game breaking strategy (to be precise, pointed out a bettery strategy). For meta divers, check The Purge in my wiki. Game breaking is the ultimate wifom as scum because "there's no way town would do that."
I'm somewhat convinced that Chamber v myko is T v T.
VOTE: Gork
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
