Mini Normal 1929 - Game Over

[Vedith]

@Vedith: Could you give up the fake claim and give your actual reads please? Otherwise I'm just going to assume that you're hard-townreading Carca, Tchill, and alban, and that 425 is your actual reads.

I'm not town reading them, they are town.

[Scorpious]

@Scorpious: It makes sense for Vedith to out here because having three clears is really powerful. It's a role that can't exist in this game though

Ok, I have never been involved with a game featuring a sensor. My info on it comes from the wiki and this game thus far.

Just so I am clear here. You do not believe it,and your reasoning is based on how the game would be set up, correct?

[Io]

So fake claiming does not equal scum.
Especially when it's so obviously fake like that. It can only be a joke and there's no reason to even take it seriously.

[Io]

Like you can take BP as a good example for town fake claiming.
BP's from what I've seen often claim Vigilante or Cop or something strong to get night killed.

[Io]

But it is a little ridiculous that Verdith is still trying to insist he's not joking.

[Io]

Either way there is no reason to vote him for an obvious fake claim.

[Carcalilly]

That's vedith for you

[alban]

So fake claiming does not equal scum.
Especially when it's so obviously fake like that. It can only be a joke and there's no reason to even take it seriously.

Joke or test.

[alban]

I hope it's the latter coz that'll mean there's some potential in all that razzmatazz.

[alban]

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Why_Mafia's case on alban seems fair. I still think alban's good outweighs his bad at the moment but I'd like to see him respond.

Would like to respond to what according to you is my good and bad. Elaborate, please.

Would like you to counter my scum case first

Not interested. I think you are one of those players who so badly wanna enter a game with a bang that that desperation results in tunnelling. Honestly, that post is a blob of fluff. You are seeing what you wanna see. Most of your points are NAI at best. How do I know that without even re-reading your post? Coz I am town, you silly.

[awesomeusername]

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Why_Mafia's case on alban seems fair. I still think alban's good outweighs his bad at the moment but I'd like to see him respond.

Would like to respond to what according to you is my good and bad. Elaborate, please.

The good is a lot of gut, but I think's mostly that you seem to be processing the game trying to read people, and it feels to me like it's coming from a town mindset. You've also been generating discussion in a way that I like.

The bad is more an accumulation of little things. I don't like 158. For all your probing, you haven't really given many reads, which could be fence sitting. I sort of feel like you've been coasting a bit lately, just asking people for stuff without giving much. What it comes down to, I think, is that a lot of your posts are pro-town and helpful, but are the sort of thing that scum can do too. I'd like you to respond to all of Why_Mafia's case, though.

Just so I am clear here. You do not believe it,and your reasoning is based on how the game would be set up, correct?

Correct.

@Ircher: Can you confirm that all roles in this setup are normal?

So fake claiming does not equal scum.
Especially when it's so obviously fake like that. It can only be a joke and there's no reason to even take it seriously.

I don't think it's a joke, it's gone on too long and he's using it to influence people's votes. What do you think of the people who believe the claim? Do you think that's alignment indicative?

[MarioManiac4]

Vedith is being Vedith lol

[awesomeusername]

Vedith is being Vedith lol

This is what's making me doubt myself. :/ You seem to have experience with him, do you think this is town Vedith or scum Vedith? And why?

[MarioManiac4]

i don't have any experience in metaing him for alignment lol but this is the kinda thing i'd expect him to pull. maybe more as town but i could see vedithscum doing it for the lols

[alban]

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Why_Mafia's case on alban seems fair. I still think alban's good outweighs his bad at the moment but I'd like to see him respond.

Would like to respond to what according to you is my good and bad. Elaborate, please.

The good is a lot of gut, but I think's mostly that you seem to be processing the game trying to read people, and it feels to me like it's coming from a town mindset. You've also been generating discussion in a way that I like.

The bad is more an accumulation of little things. I don't like 158. For all your probing, you haven't really given many reads, which could be fence sitting. I sort of feel like you've been coasting a bit lately, just asking people for stuff without giving much. What it comes down to, I think, is that a lot of your posts are pro-town and helpful, but are the sort of thing that scum can do too. I'd like you to respond to all of Why_Mafia's case, though.

I don't like your tr reasons, but like your sr reasons. They kind of fit into why ppl generally sr me.
158 was a joke.
Reads will come in due time. I can't force myself to give out reads and neither can you. If you pressurise me, I will either ignore it or give incorrect reads, both of which are not helpful. So my suggestion for now is to let me be. Yes, I know it comes across as fence-sitting, but that's how it is. Why_Mafia is not getting a response out of me. For two reasons. I don't like the quality of their case on me. And my observation is that the posts I use as my defence are usually used as bait/misdirections by the scums. My silence could be scummy, but is useless for scums. The verbose me is very easy to implicate. This is just the way it is.
After writing this though, I think maybe there's no harm in giving out a reads list. Here goes. Word of caution: this is pretty impressionistic. I will fine tune or even do a complete overhaul once I re-read and form some solid opinions. Till then:
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Vedith
Carcalilly
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Steel
Scorpious
Tchill
Mario
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Awesome
Io
Innocent
WhyMafia

[awesomeusername]

@Mario: Fair enough. I'm not actually scum-reading him very hard right now, but I'm not scum-reading anybody very hard right now, so I don't really know what else to do.

@albans: Yeah, I'm not surprised that you don't like gut as a reason. But fair enough, I'll let you prove yourself on your own terms.

Why are you scum-reading Io?

[alban]

Don't be offended.
When I read Io's posts, I picturise a master manipulator who is taking the game slowly and steadily to her desired destination.
Why do i think so? I don't have solid reasons. Mere impressions.

[WhyMafia]

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Why_Mafia's case on alban seems fair. I still think alban's good outweighs his bad at the moment but I'd like to see him respond.

Would like to respond to what according to you is my good and bad. Elaborate, please.

Would like you to counter my scum case first

Not interested. I think you are one of those players who so badly wanna enter a game with a bang that that desperation results in tunnelling. Honestly, that post is a blob of fluff. You are seeing what you wanna see. Most of your points are NAI at best. How do I know that without even re-reading your post? Coz I am town, you silly.

This just seems like a discredit and dismissal without having to deal with it lol

[Io]

Don't be offended.
When I read Io's posts, I picturise a master manipulator who is taking the game slowly and steadily to her desired destination.
Why do i think so? I don't have solid reasons. Mere impressions.

No I'm not offended, little stereotypical evil mastermind but still.
I think it's a little ridiculous level of paranoia, but not really like I have anything to comment on about it because it's just a feeling.

[Io]

So fake claiming does not equal scum.
Especially when it's so obviously fake like that. It can only be a joke and there's no reason to even take it seriously.

Joke or test.

I think joke.
Reaction tests are typically not so blatant.

[Ircher]

Llamafluff replaces I am Innocent.

[LlamaFluff]

@Vedith - One chance. Is the claim real - yes or no? If yes there is a borderline game breaking tactic here.

[Steel]

So, I've seen some things that might substantiate the claim after all.

For one, ircher has just posted yet his profile says last logged in was yesterday. That issue I had before may be indeed be nothing.
Secondly, within normal queue it appears there are normal roles, explicitly not allowed roles, and apparently things in between.

There can only be a maximum of one Non-Normal role in a Mini Normal game and two Non-Normal roles in a Large Normal game.

I have not seen anything say a day sensor is not allowed in normal queue, and it would also seem to qualify as the one weird role permitted in the game.

[Vedith]

@Vedith - One chance. Is the claim real - yes or no? If yes there is a borderline game breaking tactic here.

Llama! \o/
Can you advise which exact claim you mean?

[Steel]

Naturally if vedith has multiple shots we should utilize at minimum 2 of them before going back to the question of his alignment, although I think he is likely town with the claim now anyways.

Vedith can you use the ability multiple times in a day or is it once per day?