Newbie 1810 - Super Vanilla (GAMEOVER)

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Post Post #650 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:23 am

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In post 644, Gorny wrote:
In post 627, MarioManiac4 wrote:I feel like Gorny is trying to lynch Osuka but isn't trying to sort Osuka.

What do you mean by sort?
find his alignment
it's less "this is my thought process @ osuka" and more "let's lynch osuka guys!!!!!!!!"
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Post Post #651 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:32 am

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UnaBombaH has graciously taken Locke's spot! 2 days have been added to the deadline
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Post Post #652 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:43 am

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I'll read up before going to sleep (in ~3 hours).
I started following this game before I was even asked to sub in, so I sort of know how things got rolling D1, but I'll try to read the whole game with fresh eyes, and I'll get back to you.

I DO NOT KNOW what the voting situation is currently, or what the deadline exactly is, and I don't want them to affect my judgement until I get this far, so give me some time.
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Post Post #653 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:50 am

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Vote Count 2.3
osuka
UnaBombaH
NotTheRealPaul (1) - MarioManiac4
Mjollnir (1) - RadiantCowbells
Gorny
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MarioManiac4


The deadline to lynch for day 2 is August 2nd at 6PM EST ((expired on 2017-08-04 18:00:00))

UnaBombaH has replaced Locke!

With 7 alive it will take
4
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Post Post #654 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:45 am

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In post 652, UnaBombaH wrote:I'll read up before going to sleep (in ~3 hours).
I started following this game before I was even asked to sub in, so I sort of know how things got rolling D1, but I'll try to read the whole game with fresh eyes, and I'll get back to you.

I DO NOT KNOW what the voting situation is currently, or what the deadline exactly is, and I don't want them to affect my judgement until I get this far, so give me some time.
if you're past page 3, that's already more than tb had done by the time he got lynched, so I'd call that a win.

any clue when you're gonna be done? I don't mean to put pressure or anything, just wanna have an idea.

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Post Post #655 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:46 am

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inb4 unabombah doesnt read page 2
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Post Post #656 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:51 am

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In post 655, MarioManiac4 wrote:inb4 unabombah doesnt read page 2
reads every page except for page 2
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Post Post #657 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:05 am

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...aaand anticlimax.

There's 12 days still left, but no good wagons yet.
I was frustrated with MafiaScum yesterday, so why not keep banging my head on the wall with another sub-in, in to a game where I have to respect/fear RC again..? :facepalm:

I'm worried of two possible scenarios, and most worried for the third one.
A) MM4 is scum, and TB townread him the most. His read probably was a genuine one, considering he flipped town, but I wouldn't pin MM4 as obv.town yet.
I evaluate MM4 gameplay quite highly based off of what I have read of him before (previous research for a previous game), and I feel he doesn't give too many obvious tells of his alignment/role.
His scumfinding and "hunch" (if I may say so), make him a very likely NK target to any scum who knows his potential, yet here he stands.
Combining that with his shaky vote on D2 (I feel like people haven't given him enough content to pounce on, so he had to "whiff something up" on NTRP) and my suspicions on him are set for now.
Just remember this later on, no matter what happens D2/N3.


B) RC is scum. This is an alternative to scenario A. I don't think RC can be read any further than MM4 by a newbie like me, so we have to look at his slot from another angle (for now).
ThinkBig scumread him the most, and yet I would've placed RC closer to the null-zone for now, considering his weirdish push-style is his own, and therefore NAI as far as I have read his games.
My problem here is sort of the same as with MM4. RC would've been as good a NK-target for scum as MM4, but here he stands too.

Also something I realized: I got the feeling from reading this thread in one go, that RC and MM4 seemed to trust each other.
Just a feeling I got while reading, and this leads to my worst case scenario.

C) MM4 and RC are both scum. If this is the truth, us newbies probably don't have a chance. :lol:
I'm getting a very strong gut feeling that RC/MM4 makes up for at least one scum, but worried it makes for two.
Why did this pop in my head? Because I first got the feeling that either is trying to pocket the other. But from town-perspective this doesn't make much sense, so I thought that one of them must be scum. This leads to a problem though: wouldn't a player of their caliber realize that they are being manipulated? I also couldn't quite grasp the root of my feeling, nor did I find one conclusive post from either to pinpoint it on.
It's just the general way I feel they interacted with each other D1.
Read their ISOs separately with this possibility in mind, and come up with your own interpretation.

So in my mind, atleast one of them is scum.
But if one of them is scum, they kill the other N1. In my opinion, they just do.
And thus I ended back to scenario C, and therefore I peed myself a little.

To base this specific theory (yes, I always have multiple) further onto something I will try to formulate questions to both, but they will have to wait until next post.

DISCLAIMER, DO NOT GET ME WRONG:
I can't scumread their posts, or find AI-slips of any sort
, but I credit that more to them being good players, rather than them being town.
I want people to keep their reads on them very much open.
Especially if TBs reads gave anyone a thought to outright trust MM4 or straight up tunnel RC.
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Post Post #658 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:07 am

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Oh, forgot to add this somewhere: VOTE: MM4 just to make it clear that I do not consider you obv.town just because the wabbit king said so before dying.
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Post Post #659 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:09 am

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Unabombah Echo may have wanted to kill me in one game but that doesn't mean I'm not a shit player. Me not being nightkilled means nothing. (If you want, you can look through my previous games to see how rarely I am nightkilled of my own merit.)
That said someone not being nightkilled is a really really bad reason to scumread someone on D2, especially in a non-mountainous game (It's likely that Scorp was killed for being a PR.)

pedit: HOW COULD YOU IM OBVTOWN :good:
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Post Post #660 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:12 am

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(If it helps, this is my best and most recent scumgame to date.)
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Post Post #661 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:15 am

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In post 659, MarioManiac4 wrote: That said someone not being nightkilled is a really really bad reason to scumread someone on D2, especially in a non-mountainous game (It's likely that Scorp was killed for being a PR.)
Explain this to me like I'm very new to the game, and I'll make my (for now)decision on you. Didn't Scorp flip VT? :]
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Post Post #662 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:16 am

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I meant that the Mafia may have thought he was one. I probably worded it badly. :P
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Post Post #663 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:22 am

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In post 662, MarioManiac4 wrote:I meant that the Mafia may have thought he was one. I probably worded it badly. :P
Oh, I understood you. And therefore my vote still stays. Atleast for now. I'll explain later once RC has chimed in, if he feels it necessary to comment my theory/laughable entrance.
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Post Post #664 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:22 am

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unabombah you post like a cartoon villain
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Post Post #665 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:24 am

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In post 664, MarioManiac4 wrote:unabombah you post like a cartoon villain
I LOVE IT. You should see me curl my moustache while I'm sitting in a long chair with my back towards you.
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Post Post #666 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:25 am

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I already got that image from "Oh, I understood you. And therefore my vote still stays. Atleast for now." :P
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Post Post #667 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:43 am

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In post 666, MarioManiac4 wrote:I already got that image from "Oh, I understood you. And therefore my vote still stays. Atleast for now." :P
Notice how I called my own entrance laughable..it's because I can sense how corny my own posts are, but I let them be just that.

Normal people in Finland go to sleep at this time on Sundays, but then again, I'm on my summer vacation. And I'm definitely not normal..
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Post Post #668 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:54 am

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Osuka, three hard hitting questions for now, if you would be so kind to answer them truthfully:

1. Did you consider ThinkBigs reads worth much/anything/nothing?
2. Do you think him flipping town changed your own previous reads at all?
3. Were you surprised of the first NK? (follow ups: if surprised, why? if not, why?)

Now realize something, I know if you lie, so please answer truthfully.
I'll evaluate you more thoroughly tomorrow, and return with a psychological profile for your cat.
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Post Post #669 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:12 am

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In post 296, NotTheRealPaul wrote:
In post 293, Mjollnir wrote:Holy fuck Osuka

VOTE: Osuka

For someone who was early saying how much he hated quicklynching, that is an EXTREMELY suspicious post you just made there.
lol mm ur not getting me mislynched tmr
I forgot to say this before actually but I think this post is really really suspicious for somebody who wasn't scumreading me before.
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Post Post #670 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:16 am

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In post 650, MarioManiac4 wrote:
In post 644, Gorny wrote:
In post 627, MarioManiac4 wrote:I feel like Gorny is trying to lynch Osuka but isn't trying to sort Osuka.

What do you mean by sort?
find his alignment
it's less "this is my thought process @ osuka" and more "let's lynch osuka guys!!!!!!!!"

Well I can't find his alignment since I'm not a PR.. maybe someone else can.
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Post Post #672 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:19 am

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VOTE: Gorny
Actually that's a very scumfuck post you have there.
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Post Post #673 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:23 am

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Mm4.... I think you're the scum fuck and have been the wheel time.

When I did my reads easier I commented that atleast one scum is hiding in my town reads, I have a feeling you're one of them.

VOTE: MM4

I'm not fooled by you.
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Post Post #674 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:31 am

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Fine. Let's dance.
Ever since the start of the game, you haven't been willing to scumread anyone. In , you didn't even list a scumread. In fact, despite your push on Osuka, I suddenly manage to be your first vote in this entire game, just after I voted you. Funny that.
Your push on Osuka is contrived crap. Saying Osuka is throwing RC under the bus because RC voted for TB under the Boon name? Like, that's not just unconvincing, it doesn't come from a natural thought process at all. I'm not sure whether saying Osuka is scum for posting TB wagon memes when the game was stalling is just as bad or worse. And, notably, despite
And now you just claim without a second thought about its effects, while painting finding alignments as something you'd rely on a PR to do.
And, after I make my vote on you, you suddenly have a feeling that I'm a scumfuck and place your first vote of the entire game on me. After all that beautiful setup on Osuka, too.

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