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Post Post #625 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:29 pm

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In post 624, Firebringer wrote:
In post 620, TellTaleHeart wrote:I'm being shitty and awful again so I'll go for a while.
Please explain what the colors mean.
This was a anti hero post.
Are u sure ur not account sharing?

In less joking manner, maybe take a break from this game for a bit?
The difference between me and Anti/Cheetory is that when they say they're being shitty and awful they're not
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being shitty and awful. They both have this distorted view of themselves as toxic cesspools when neither of them are.
I like to think I'm more realistic in my assessment.
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Post Post #626 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:33 pm

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You're not actually being shitty and awful at all and it's funny that you came to that conclusion about Anti/Cheetory having a distorted view of themselves you didn't extend that to thinking that maybe you were doing an equally poor job of judging your own toxicity. At your very worst in games I've seen you be annoying and pushy but I've never actually seen you be a dick and I don't think that's ever happened.
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Post Post #627 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:36 pm

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In post 626, Treblesome wrote:You're not actually being shitty and awful at all and it's funny that you came to that conclusion about Anti/Cheetory having a distorted view of themselves you didn't extend that to thinking that maybe you were doing an equally poor job of judging your own toxicity. At your very worst in games I've seen you be annoying and pushy but I've never actually seen you be a dick and I don't think that's ever happened.
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Post Post #628 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:36 pm

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In post 626, Treblesome wrote:it's funny that you came to that conclusion about Anti/Cheetory having a distorted view of themselves you didn't extend that to thinking that maybe you were doing an equally poor job of judging your own toxicity
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Post Post #629 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:38 pm

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I don't really have a read on Bins or Bulge right now but I feel like I would be explicitly scumreading them already if they were scum, which makes me think they're town.

Also, I'd like to point out that several people have framed Snarky as a lurker wagon. No one is pushing him as a lurker wagon. We're pushing him because he's taken boring stances that feel like an attempt to have stances for their own sake, there's information that he should have if he has done the reading that he claimed to, and that he's shown up whenever he gets mentioned which indicates that he's present but lurks the rest of the time. Like I've seen Snarky lurk before and I've townread him in games where he's done nothing. This isn't at all one of those games and if he's actually town then forcing him to do shit is good anyway. There's reasons to think that he's scum that are nothing to do with lurking: I have no issues systematically lynching everyone soft defending him by claiming that this is a lurker lynch if he flips scum. If you think that he's town, give an actual reason that isn't 'well he gets lynched a lot for lurking.'
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Post Post #630 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:41 pm

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Like you have two alternatives: leash the vig onto him and call it a day or ignore him and leave him to LyLo when he's objectively one of the worst slots in the game.

Everyone who is saying 'well hes lurking so bad lynch': what do you propose that we do about him?
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Post Post #631 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:41 pm

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I think I am the only one framing it as a lurker wagon.
So you could just say firebringer is framing this as lurker wagoj
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Post Post #632 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:43 pm

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OK. UNVOTE:
Now would probably be a good time to take inventory on where I am with everyone so I'll do that now.
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Post Post #633 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:44 pm

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In post 630, Treblesome wrote:Like you have two alternatives: leash the vig onto him and call it a day or ignore him and leave him to LyLo when he's objectively one of the worst slots in the game.

Everyone who is saying 'well hes lurking so bad lynch': what do you propose that we do about him?
Wait for the eventual replace out that is going to happen?
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"last time I was scum with Firebringer
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I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.

His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #634 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:23 pm

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Carcalilly, Treblesome, Radical Rat
Scorpious, TheFuzzyLogic99
Steel, Antitown, Firebringer
Lady and the Tramp
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havingfitz, Madvillain

Steel and Lady tiers make up the "null" region.
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Post Post #635 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:49 pm

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In post 634, TellTaleHeart wrote:Carcalilly, Treblesome, Radical Rat
Scorpious, TheFuzzyLogic99
Steel, Antitown, Firebringer
Lady and the Tramp
SnarkySnowman
havingfitz, Madvillain

Steel and Lady tiers make up the "null" region.
Why is Fuzzy Town?
Why is fitz Scum?
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Post Post #636 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:51 pm

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In post 634, TellTaleHeart wrote:Carcalilly, Treblesome, Radical Rat
Scorpious, TheFuzzyLogic99
Steel, Antitown, Firebringer
Lady and the Tramp
SnarkySnowman
havingfitz, Madvillain

Steel and Lady tiers make up the "null" region.
Why did you unvote madvillian then?
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"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.

His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #637 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:52 pm

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Aaaaa

Why do you townread Scorpious exactly? :(
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Post Post #638 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:15 pm

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In post 636, Firebringer wrote:
In post 634, TellTaleHeart wrote:Carcalilly, Treblesome, Radical Rat
Scorpious, TheFuzzyLogic99
Steel, Antitown, Firebringer
Lady and the Tramp
SnarkySnowman
havingfitz, Madvillain

Steel and Lady tiers make up the "null" region.
Why did you unvote madvillian then?
Because I'm looking to work with RC today.
Treblesome wrote:Aaaaa

Why do you townread Scorpious exactly? :(
The "psuedo strongman" part of the claim. I doubt he's capable of making that up on the fly.
To me, the only way Scorpius could still be scum is if he's not lying about his role but is still scum and I would only revisit that possibility if there ended up being an insane amount of power claimed later on.
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Post Post #639 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:24 pm

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Would you be willing to sort out multiple problems at once and force Scorp to target Snarky and lynch them both if the shot doesn't end up happening?
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Post Post #640 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:13 pm

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Yes
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Post Post #641 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:17 pm

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How confident are you in Mad scum? Can you give a little more detail?
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Post Post #642 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:20 pm

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In post 635, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 634, TellTaleHeart wrote:Carcalilly, Treblesome, Radical Rat
Scorpious, TheFuzzyLogic99
Steel, Antitown, Firebringer
Lady and the Tramp
SnarkySnowman
havingfitz, Madvillain

Steel and Lady tiers make up the "null" region.
Why is Fuzzy Town?
Why is fitz Scum?
I got a "too clunky/bad to be scum" feel on Fuzzy early on and I haven't seen a reason to think otherwise since. I haven't seen any great reads or anything else that stands out that makes me feel super confident about that read, which is why he's not in the top tier, but in my judgement his bumbling-but-not-in-an-ingratiating-way play is more likely to come from town than scum. A good example of what I'm talking about is . It seems like the really obvious thing for Fuzzy!scum to do here is shut the fuck up on roll over for the claim, why poke the beehive by bringing up something as out-there as scum vig? The only way that makes sense is if Scorpius is actually a scum vig but I'm not really entertaining that right now.

There were a couple posts from Fitz that pinged me. The first was which I read as a filler-y "here's something that looks like an opinion to fill space" post mostly because I can't figure out a reason why the grab ass "mason" claiming at the beginning was particularly bothersome. The post that really bugged me was the most recent, . Fitz obviously spent time thinking about this issue of how to deal with a revealed neighborhood, so it's striking to me that he came to the really anti-town conclusion to just brush it off. The mod confirming the alignment of three people is a pretty big boon for town. Why would you throw that away by lynching in the neighborhood? It's a pretty cut and dry deal but I feel like Fitz was trying to add "wifom...fog..." to it by labeling it as such.
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Post Post #643 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:40 pm

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In post 641, Treblesome wrote:How confident are you in Mad scum? Can you give a little more detail?
Not.
The thorn in my ass about Mad is Bins' brand of OMGUS. She never attempts to explain it or go into any kind of detail about it so I feel like its sole purpose is to discredit me and my read on her. I also hated Bulge's latest attempt to try to find a way onto pushing me. In terms of their other reads, Bulge's reads list is OK-ish... I guess? I don't know. Other than the Antitown read he didn't really explain anything. Looking back I'm not really sure what Bins' other reads even are so I can't really make a call on those.
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Post Post #644 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:49 pm

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Okay.
For the record: Apricity is sort of scumreading Villains but isn't following up because I'm not comfortable there. (At least, she was when she last posted in PT)
I trust your reads, and I don't strictly speaking townread them. If you're confident enough that they're scum to be
bossy
about my vote then I'll vote with you there.

That said, I agree with what you said about Fitz and think he's a lot more likely to flip scum than Villains, so I would be much happier voting them if Scorp/Snarky are off.
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Post Post #645 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:01 pm

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In post 638, TellTaleHeart wrote:Because I'm looking to work with RC today.
......

If this becomes a game where rc dictates lynches.
Ugh.
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Post Post #646 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:17 pm

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I agree with Villian or fitz lynch though.
I would go into more detail why, but I am lazy and I don't think I have anything "original" to say
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Post Post #647 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:17 pm

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In post 645, Firebringer wrote:
In post 638, TellTaleHeart wrote:Because I'm looking to work with RC today.
......

If this becomes a game where rc dictates lynches.
Ugh.
I don't understand why this is such an issue for you, especially when I've gone out of my way to try to not play single player mafia this game.
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Post Post #648 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:18 pm

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Don't get me wrong I don't think that you're faking. Regardless of alignment I believe that you're sincere but I don't know what exactly you want me to do differently here.

Can I get a readslist from you, unrelated?
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Post Post #649 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:19 pm

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I just don't like blind sheepijg, nothing to do with you.
But it wasn't really blind sheeping so I overreacted
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"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.

His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown

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