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[mastina]

Fortieth Votecount

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(First Votecount D5

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Not Voting - 5 (EeveeLution Army, Alisae, aronagrundy, ReplacedIn, iDanyboy)

With

5

alive, it takes

3

to lynch.

Day 5's deadline is Monday, August 14th, @ 4:30 PM PDT: (expired on 2017-08-14 19:30:26).

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[ReplacedIn]

GreyICE investigated FF N1 and got a "No result", there's 100% confirmation that there's a roleblocker in the game and is the scums final role.

The more you continue with the "arona could be mafia and we only have 2 real PRs!" the more I"m just going to shrugvote you.

So if you're town and actually going to refuse to read the pages in the game (Why the fuck replace in then???) then the least you can do is ISO Eeve/Myself/Massive/MMM/Chickadee and state reads.

[ReplacedIn]

All night actions thus far;

GreyICE investigates FF N1 - No result, LUV investigates Chickadee N1 (She'd claimed VT D1) - Result; She's not a VT, Arona was on Mulch N1

GreyICE & LUV claimed D2. LUV died N2.

GreyICE investigates iDannyBoy N2 - Town result, Arona was on GreyICE N3, Arona claimed D3.

So we know that Grey was RB'ed N1 and Arona was RB'ed N3 which means either scum have a full roleblocker that intentionally no-roleblocked GreyICE D2 to make FF look worse but by doing so they give us a clear in iDannyBoy so while it's plausible it's the lesser likely option or scum have an odd night roleblocker.

[Alisae]

Arona is never fake here for a few reasons, a) He's pretty obvious town for how he's played,

Um...
then explain how the play is town.
I haven't read,
so hand me a limb and help me out here.

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b) The manner he bread-crumbed his role doesn't come from scum

Lol only scum crumb doc.
Town crumbing doc is suicidal on so many levels.

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If Aronas scum that means this setup is 10-3 with the town power being Loyal Cop, Macho Neapolitan, Asceitc v Roleblocker + 2 Goons which uh, yeah, no. That's not something that's ever going to happen. Existence of Aronas role fits perfectly with LUV's and Arona claiming before any sort of mass-claim occurred just seriously never means he's mafia here. So yeah, you can drop that Arona = scum theory completely. We're also never no lynching.

Here's the thing
you're talking about the setup designer who gave the scumteam in a NORMAL mini a Loud Fruit Vendor (You can find that game Here).
If I need to explain the mechanics behind that role, I can do that, however a Loud Fruit Vendor for scum essentially says "Hey, this is me self-clearing myself to you."

I perfectly expect mastina to give scum some kind of power to mess with towns heads.

Not to mention didn't LUV die N2?
That gave Arona some time to prep a fakeclaim if they needed to via massclaim, no?
So hey
Why not claim before massclaim
it'd make Arona look more townier and all them to get to endgame. No?

And yeah I dropped my No Lynch theory because the idea I had was the Weak Doc gets a chance to invest someone going into MyLo. It's a play to get information.

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I'm

the ascetic, not Arona and I'd claimed I softed it before any claims occurred whatsoever this game and hard claimed it within ~2 minutes of GreyICE claiming while I was at work, can go and take a look at the context behind it but should be blatantly obvious from it that I'm town. And existence of an Ascetici is to minimise the chances of LUV/GI's role getting clears N1 to make the game autowin, just an ounce of logic and setup speculation pretty much confirms me as town but my play should do so as well. Literally a case of going Eve->You or You->Eeve wins the game 100% of the time.

Yeah, I caught you're an ascetic. But I'm saying you could be a scum!Ascetic.
That's not something you soft or play around with, because you're playing with fire. That's misleading and not helpful.
If you're ascetic, thats something that you should claim on Day 1 first thing.

[Alisae]

You're taking too many things for granted imo.


Let me teach you a lesson in setup design.
For pure WIFOM, a Mod could put say a Doc Enabler into the game
without any doctors.
Just for Pure WIFOM.

[Alisae]

GreyICE investigated FF N1 and got a "No result", there's 100% confirmation that there's a roleblocker in the game and is the scums final role.

The more you continue with the "arona could be mafia and we only have 2 real PRs!" the more I"m just going to shrugvote you.

So if you're town and actually going to refuse to read the pages in the game (Why the fuck replace in then???) then the least you can do is ISO Eeve/Myself/Massive/MMM/Chickadee and state reads.

Okay that makes sense.
And yeah sure
vote me
I will 1v1 you and destroy you.
Mister
Scum!Ascetic.
VOTE: ReplacedIn

[ReplacedIn]

I've played mafia for ~10 years and have designed over 200 setups, I'm part of the NRG. You're not going to 'teach me' anything about game design so don't bother.

[Alisae]

Oh you're an alt.
That makes things a bit more
entertaining.

Eitehr way I'm 1v1ing you.

[Alisae]

Where is your shrugvote.
Why are you so hesitant?

[Alisae]

Eevee is like, probably town by the way you're lining up that lynch btw.
Like I am
We're both probably town.

[ReplacedIn]

1a) Don't need to explain how his play is town when he's clear for other reasons, b) Weak doctors absolutely do need to breadcrumb, they target scum they die, they need to have that information left behind, it's not the role they're crumbing but the target, manner that Arona did it here doesn't come from mafia. c) Well aware how mastin designs games, well aware how games are designed, I'm saying that without Arona being town there's not enough town power to have this setup run, not even remotely enough and if the town power is this limited there's no roleblocker in the setup which we know there is, Aronas never mafia here. d) If Arons mafia and sees LUV dying as a macho he's going to expect a protective PR in the game and isn't going to claim one knowing he'd likely be CC"ed doing so. He's just never mafia here and the more you try and sway it as a possibility the worse you're looking.

2) You're not even remotely attempting to actually scumhunt or solve the game here, I've made it very clear where you need to focus, what you need to read, you're not doing any of that. If you're town here you're just continuing to prove you've learned nothing from the Newbie games I've seen you in. And I'l vote when I"m actually ready, I was planning on playing this day pretty slowly and treating it as a 3 way where I had to determine who was scum inside yourself/eeve as a sort of fun-challenge to myself.

[ReplacedIn]

Like this is literally a situation where it's a fact the final scum is between Eeeve/You/Myself.

There's not that much reading to be done, so at least actually y'know ISO those people and the flipped scum if you're town here.

[Alisae]

lmao clear
please do keep on insisting he is clear
I'm trying to bring up concerns while you're just like "lol nope, this is how the game goes. You have to do this. You have to help me out with my agenda."

Okay I mean
you can crumb the weak part sure
but the doc part?
No
you don't have to crumb that
that is suicidal


And um yeah, scum can claim doc to bait out a cc
that actually like
happens in games.


lmao you're comparing me to a newbie
man
this is entertaining


Man
if I was a newbie I would totally just suck up to you its like you know soooo much omg man
I could never be decent at setup spec if I was a newbie hahahaha

but regardless that's fine
I'll just push my reads.

And I mean

I am scumhunting
Atleast
I'm not scumhunting the person you told me to scumhunt
Wouldn't that just like
give you a win?

[Alisae]

Like this is literally a situation where it's a fact the final scum is between Eeeve/You/Myself.

There's not that much reading to be done, so at least actually y'know ISO those people and the flipped scum if you're town here.

I'll iso those people sure including Arona
if I feel like Arona is town by play then I will read her as such
/me hair flicks.

[ReplacedIn]

You're clearly incapable of actually reading anything properly.

I'm saying I've seen

you

in newbie games, not that you're a newbie. I've even offered you advice, you've not taken an ounce of into account.

Aronas never mafia here, he's never getting lynched here, you attempting to focus on him feels like scum trying to open up another option. You then proceeding to vote me when I'm trying to close that option down to you feels incredibly scum motivated and not you actually attempting to assess the game.

But I'm fine waiting for you to get around to ISO'ing those players and actually posting real thoughts, think that combined with Eeve's response should ultimately make the decision relatively straight forward for me.

[Alisae]

Oh wow this is easy
Hi Regfan
how are you today?

[Alisae]

man if you were in this game I would have NEVER replaced in I just cannot ever tolerate your posting.

[Alisae]

maybe because I'm ignorant?
/me shrug

[Alisae]

I mean like
the concept for Owner's Market seemed like a fun idea I wanted to try it out when I saw it so I respect you in that regard but man
the attitude I just cannot stand it
tho part of me thinks I brought this upon myself.

[ReplacedIn]

You've replaced into a slot which had 4 posts D1, only 1 being really content based, had 1 prod dodge post by it's replacee on D2 before posting some content and flaking on D3. Stop for a second and put yourself in our position, you're effectively in a slot that's done really nothing throughout the entire game here, I've tried to put the gamestate and situation as clearly to you as possible because ideally I'd like to resolve who it is between Eeve and yourself as easily as possible and given you both don't look great that's not a fun task here, you're the one that's constantly tried to push this in a tangent that's irrelevant and time wasting while you've not even done the reading to back up that stance (re; Arona). So, again if you're town just focus on reading the select few players.

[Alisae]

Sorry
didn't recongize it was fucking REGFAN I was talking to.
I mean
it makes sense considering the egotistical hostility you're giving me. No one else that I really remember talking to gives me that egotistical hostility-

Look
this isn't really important
I'ma go through ISOs now.

[ReplacedIn]

Like we're on D5 now and your slot has officially only played 1 of the day phases so far, you replacing in and saying you won't read the whole game then trying to argue with me about Aronas alignment while you've not even read his ISO or his interactions with the flipped scum is entirely you being unreasonable here.

[Alisae]

Yeah
I've totally been unreasonable in the past with you
you know this
like um...
Hold on
let me find it...
Here we go.

Man
I hate digging into my past on here it's
rather disgusting

But anyways

I call out TB correctly in that game
as you proceed to call me unreasonable and then threaten to policy lynch me for being unreasonable?

[Alisae]

Anyways, back to reading my this
Eevee person's ISO.

[mastina]

Oh hey I can do votecounts on time who knew?