Night and Day Mafia (Game Over)

[Titus]

Also no matter what. You are using two other players as an excuse to not actually comment on Nos.

You're not saying why YOU want Nos alive, nor why you want Nos dead.

This is exactly what 79CE is doing for BTD.

[Titus]

Titus, there is no reason to town read any of the 3 players.

Summary:
FKB, mafia theory, not actual reads.
Narna, came in, bounced.
Nos, random reads lists and frivolous comments, no explanations.

Also think about it, "Nos is probs scum but there are bigger scum to worry about," is exactly how scum get away with shit. People tunnel a read the entire day and then they don't care about anything else.

Nah, Nos isn't scum because I was told off the times I tried to wagon Frosted by the same players pushing him now.

Narna subbed in during Cali meet and bounced.

Nos has been pretty town with his reads and explanations, they just aren't what 79CE wants.

By that logic, Leonshade in nancys game isn't scum because I kept trying to wagon that and to no avail.

This is your Leonshade, Titus

Nah, it isn't. I like the effort though. Nos is just a last second compromise push by 79 because they don't want a BTD lynch.

[79 CE]

BTD can be sorted tomorrow and through night actions. He's V/LA and a chronic lurker as either alignment; lynching him today has always been fine for me if there were no better options, but Nos replaced in and didn't change his slot, RC replaced in and was scum, Rauth wasn't able to provide any reads at all and threw a panic vote on dramonic; there are better options than BTD on the table right now and Nos is the one that we are able to make happen. You're stuck in a narrative and it's not helpful.

[Titus]

Can we talk about BTD's claim being fake now Ginngie and how that's been glossed over?

[Titus]

BTD can be sorted tomorrow and through night actions. He's V/LA and a chronic lurker as either alignment; lynching him today has always been fine for me if there were no better options, but Nos replaced in and didn't change his slot, RC replaced in and was scum, Rauth wasn't able to provide any reads at all and threw a panic vote on dramonic; there are better options than BTD on the table right now and Nos is the one that we are able to make happen. You're stuck in a narrative and it's not helpful.

Nos can be sorted tomorrow and through night actions. He's been here and good posting rather than lurking. Lynching Nos who is providing content isn't fine with me. There are better options, like Rauth if you refuse to lynch BTD. RC isn't scum, nor is TWIE. Nor is Ginngie.

If you want Rauth on the table, vote him.

You're stuck in a lurkers get a pass narrative. It's not helpful.

[79 CE]

Nos is not providing content, nor did he claim Tracker.

[Titus]

I'm gonna cheat for a votecount here.

Also,

<<< DrCirno has been prodded. He has until this time to post: (expired on 2017-07-18 18:53:47). >>>

Sixty-first Votecount

:

(Fifth Votecount D2)

BTD6_maker - 5 (Vedith, Mathblade, Ginngie, QuantumRadius, Creature)

Mathblade - 2 (DrCirno, Bulbazak)

dramonic - 1 (A2)
Aronis - 1 (texcat)
Frosted Kelvin Bran - 1 (Titus)
Creature - 1 (dramonic)

Not Voting - 5 (Aronis, 79 CE, Rautherdir, BTD6_maker, Frosted Kelvin Bran)

With

16

alive, it takes

9

to lynch.

At deadline,

BTD6_maker

would be lynched.

Day 2's deadline is Wednesday, August 2nd, @ 1:30 PM PDT: (expired on 2017-08-02 16:32:47).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  
• 79 CE is V/LA for an unspecified period of time.
  
• BTD6_maker is V/LA through Sunday, July 16th.
  
• Mathblade is V/LA through Monday, July 17th.
  
• DrCirno has been prodded.
  

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount

(-2)

dramonic - 1 (

Bulbazak

,

Creature

, A2)

(+2)

BTD6_maker - 5 (Vedith, Mathblade, Ginngie,

QuantumRadius, Creature

)

(=0)

Aronis - 1 (texcat)

(+1)

Mathblade - 2 (DrCirno,

Bulbazak

)

(=0)

Frosted Kelvin Bran - 1 (Titus)

(+1/-1)

Titus - 0 (

QuantumRadius

)

(+1)

Creature - 1 (dramonic)

(-2)

Not Voting - 5 (Aronis, 79 CE,

QuantumRadius

, Rautherdir, BTD6_maker, Frosted Kelvin Bran,

dramonic

)

Last votecount was post 3000, page 121.

Spoiler: Player Vote History Day Two

• Mathblade(2):
  Creature==> BTD6_maker
  
• Aronis(0):
  
  
• 79 CE(0):
  
  
• Titus(2):
  QuantumRadius==> Frosted Kelvin Bran
  
• Vedith(2):
  Aronis==> BTD6_maker
  
• A2(2):
  BTD6_maker==> dramonic
  
• Ginngie(1):
  BTD6_maker
  
• Bulbazak(2):
  dramonic---> Mathblade
  
• Creature(2):
  dramonic==> BTD6_maker
  
• DrCirno(1):
  Mathblade
  
• QuantumRadius(2):
  Titus==> BTD6_maker
  
• Rautherdir(0):
  
  
• BTD6_maker(0):
  
  
• Frosted Kelvin Bran(0):
  
  
• texcat(1):
  Aronis
  
• dramonic(1):
  Creature

Spoiler: Players Who Have BEEN Voted Day Two

1. BTD6_maker:
   6 - A2, Vedith, Mathblade, Ginngie, QuantumRadius, Creature
   
2. dramonic:
   3 - Bulbazak, Creature, A2
   
3. Aronis:
   2 - texcat, Vedith
   
4. Mathblade:
   2 - DrCirno, Bulbazak
   
5. Creature:
   1 - Mathblade
   
6. QuantumRadius:
   1 - Titus
   
7. Frosted Kelvin Bran:
   1 - Titus
   
8. Titus:
   1 - QuantumRadius

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 2

On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 02:06p,

Bulbazak

voted

dramonic

in post 2787.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 02:25p,

texcat

Voted

Aronis

in post 2791.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 03:10p,

Creature

Voted

dramonic

in post 2807.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 03:21p,

Vedith

Voted

Aronis

in post 2808.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 03:24p,

A2

Voted

BTD6_maker

in post 2812.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 03:25p,

Vedith

Voted

BTD6_maker

in post 2814.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 06:10p,

DrCirno

Voted

Mathblade

in post 2836.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 08:22p,

Mathblade

Voted

Creature

in post 2858.
On Wed, Jul 07/12/17 @ 09:30p,

A2

Voted

dramonic

in post 2873.
On Thu, Jul 07/13/17 @ 11:22a,

Titus

Voted

QuantumRadius

in post 2924.
On Thu, Jul 07/13/17 @ 10:54p,

Mathblade

Voted

BTD6_maker

in post 2962.
On Fri, Jul 07/14/17 @ 02:55p,

Ginngie

Voted

BTD6_maker

in post 2983.
On Fri, Jul 07/14/17 @ 03:33p,

Titus

Voted

Frosted Kelvin Bran

in post 2985.
On Sat, Jul 07/15/17 @ 05:23a,

QuantumRadius

Voted

Titus

in post 3014.
On Sat, Jul 07/15/17 @ 08:16a,

QuantumRadius

Voted

BTD6_maker

in post 3065.
On Sat, Jul 07/15/17 @ 08:22a,

Creature

Voted

BTD6_maker

in post 3067.
On Sat, Jul 07/15/17 @ 08:35a,

dramonic

voted

Creature

in post 3070.
On Sat, Jul 07/15/17 @ 10:55p,

Bulbazak

unvoted

(

dramonic

)

, and voted

Mathblade

in post 3086.

So, let's break down the BTD post he just made.

It was a purely defensive post talking really only about him.

The purpose of the post as it was first stated was to see which votes on him were scum driven. He chose one out of all of them to analyze and the easiest to argue against.

So, if he was analyzing for scum-driven votes, you would at least think if he thought Alisae's post/vote was hot garbage, that he would push that.

YET, there is still no vote by BTD. He still isn't pushing anything or really anyone. He is playing defensive and just waiting for someone else to fuck up.

This is also actually not ego related but another reason I find BTD scummy, he willfully ignores interactions in the PT, so you would assume he just isn't reading it; however, he was reading closely enough that he knew that Titus was faking a guilty and went along with it, confirming that he was actively lurking and avoiding interactions.

With that piece of information, I add on to the fact that he has been paying close enough attention that he would be able to see, and afford the time to address my scum read/reasoning on him at any given time but he ignores it. I personally think he's ignoring it because he knows it's a losing battle and if you ignore something, sometimes a player will forget about you for a shiny new bone.

I am a Tracker, and on Night 1 I tracked MathBlade.

I have crumbed my result, but it would be good if MathBlade claimed their target so I could judge whether they are honest or not. Should I claim my result immediately? (Knowing whether MathBlade is lying may be good, but I also want to confirm my role without seeming to merely copy MathBlade's result, hence the crumb.)

Claiming is probably mostly safe for me, given that there are probably more powerful roles scum would want to kill first instead of me.

So have a vote
VOTE: BTD

Unfortunately, I checked the PM again and I found that I got No Result.

The result I somehow thought I had got was "went nowhere".

Here is the crumb:

It looks as though a wagon has formed on me. This wagon is

going nowhere

because I am confirmable. However, I can analyse my wagon to see which votes are scum-motivated and which ones aren't.

Full context for you.

[Titus]

Nos is not providing content, nor did he claim Tracker.

Nos is providing content and didn't obviously fakeclaim.

[79 CE]

Quote me this good content that Nos is providing.

[dramonic]

Heey titus, how many times are you gonna call me scum before you vote me?
Trust me, you'll get traction on that wagon real quick, plenty of people scumreading me.

Oh wait, you don't want me to flip town.
You don't have to worry though, this town is dumb enough to follow you to a scumwin.

[Titus]

Quote me this good content that Nos is providing.

His entire ISO is good content, especially his self vote.

[79 CE]

[Titus]

Heey titus, how many times are you gonna call me scum before you vote me?
Trust me, you'll get traction on that wagon real quick, plenty of people scumreading me.

Oh wait, you don't want me to flip town.
You don't have to worry though, this town is dumb enough to follow you to a scumwin.

This is Dramonic trying to distract from BTD's fake claim. He comes on whenever I try to get discussion on BTD and deflects.

[79 CE]

Titus, you should read this post a few times. Just for funsies.

I've just found it odd that he was voted in for that reason, but no one's said anything about it since.

Yeah we got what we wanted from that. Basically, that Aronis was lying and Rautherdir has some other link.

Ya think? Aronis's sarcasm was a mile thick.

I'll take you on that Math action, though. I'm too tired to put up much more of a fight today. I'll try to get to some of that stuff that I promised you earlier.

I understand. I am offering because I have been wrong on Math before and some of my townreads agree with you. It's a bit of a peace offering to keep town together.

@Math, If BTD and you are both town, sorry in advance.

GIANT RED FLAG

Essentially, Bulba is whining and wants steaming piles of shit to push so that it looks like he's doing something. Can we all just ignore the slot now?

pedit ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you got me

It took you 5000 posts to find out?

I really wish I had a bunch a vig shots right now.

We'd have lost the game already.

Spoiler: clear water reads

Town:
Mathblade
Creature
QuantumRadius
Ginngie
A2
Bulbazak (obvscum regardless of alignment )
Titus (yuckytown)

To sort:
texcat
Vedith
BTD6_maker
Aronis
dramonic

Scum:
Rautherdir
TheWayItEnds
Nosferatu

Could've narrowed the PoE further by waiting for BTD to come off V/LA but when it's time to lynch it's time to lynch.

Most of the scumteam is in your town reads. Go you.


Do we really want another deadline quickwagon on town?
Of course we do.

You fucking people.

[Titus]

Really, being sick of you wagonning town is a fucking siren call Nos is town here.

Now look at BTD's claim and try to tell me that shit is legit. Try. It is fake as crap.

BTD tried to argue that his wagon was going nowhere was a tracker crumb. Absurd.

[Titus]

Titus, you should read this post a few times. Just for funsies.

I've just found it odd that he was voted in for that reason, but no one's said anything about it since.

Yeah we got what we wanted from that. Basically, that Aronis was lying and Rautherdir has some other link.

Ya think? Aronis's sarcasm was a mile thick.

I'll take you on that Math action, though. I'm too tired to put up much more of a fight today. I'll try to get to some of that stuff that I promised you earlier.

I understand. I am offering because I have been wrong on Math before and some of my townreads agree with you. It's a bit of a peace offering to keep town together.

@Math, If BTD and you are both town, sorry in advance.

GIANT RED FLAG

Essentially, Bulba is whining and wants steaming piles of shit to push so that it looks like he's doing something. Can we all just ignore the slot now?

pedit ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you got me

It took you 5000 posts to find out?

I really wish I had a bunch a vig shots right now.

We'd have lost the game already.

Spoiler: clear water reads

Town:
Mathblade
Creature
QuantumRadius
Ginngie
A2
Bulbazak (obvscum regardless of alignment )
Titus (yuckytown)

To sort:
texcat
Vedith
BTD6_maker
Aronis
dramonic

Scum:
Rautherdir
TheWayItEnds
Nosferatu

Could've narrowed the PoE further by waiting for BTD to come off V/LA but when it's time to lynch it's time to lynch.

Most of the scumteam is in your town reads. Go you.


Do we really want another deadline quickwagon on town?
Of course we do.

You fucking people.

I read it. It's why I said Dram is whiteknighting Nos and preparing to turn the game against you.

[Aronis]

Quote me this good content that Nos is providing.

His entire ISO is good content, especially his self vote.

VOTE: Aronis
Hey, I'm basically confirmed town now

[Titus]

Quote me this good content that Nos is providing.

His entire ISO is good content, especially his self vote.

VOTE: Aronis
Hey, I'm basically confirmed town now

See, another scum trying to strawman my argument for Nos town to save BTD. Aronis isn't wagoned and his post gives him an excuse to stop bussing.

[Creature]

VOTE: Creature

[Titus]

We're not lynching scum today because of prima donna shit are we? Fuck that.

Someone explain how BTD faking crumbs is town or vote him so we can end this day.

[Creature]

I can't portray BTD6_maker as a really competent scum, I feel like he'd not crumb at all as scum.

[Aronis]

Quote me this good content that Nos is providing.

His entire ISO is good content, especially his self vote.

VOTE: Aronis
Hey, I'm basically confirmed town now

See, another scum trying to strawman my argument for Nos town to save BTD. Aronis isn't wagoned and his post gives him an excuse to stop bussing.

Lol, I'll gladly lynch BTD, but that wagon isn't moving rn

[79 CE]

Really, being sick of you wagonning town is a fucking siren call Nos is town here.

Now look at BTD's claim and try to tell me that shit is legit. Try. It is fake as crap.

BTD tried to argue that his wagon was going nowhere was a tracker crumb. Absurd.

Only person I've been wagoning lately is you because you push things like Math is scum if BTD flips town. BTD's claim is crap and absurd, yes, which is exactly his play as either alignment. He's not making it to LyLo regardless of alignment and if he's scum then by keeping him alive we get information from him through night actions. If he's town we get to sort him tomorrow when there is actually time and he's not on V/LA.

Do I need to remind you that you were in fact scumreading Nos' slot until you decided that you wanted to oppose me on everything and his content must be really good and town?

[Aronis]

VOTE: Creature

Omg creature must be town

[79 CE]

See, another scum trying to strawman my argument for Nos town to save BTD. Aronis isn't wagoned and his post gives him an excuse to stop bussing.

VOTE: Creature

VOTE: 79 CE

We're all scum, Titus.