Mini 1927: Breaking Bad Mafia - Game Over

[Vedith]

Vedith \o/

[Vedith]

Am I proven town yet?
I see 2 votes on me. Should they be there?

[Vedith]

Backhand could be Scum btw.

[Vedith]

Why are we voting Edo, Wisdom?

[Vedith]

yes they should. sorry you replaced into a scum slot

I understand. I had a good run.

[Vedith]

Vax you goof!
Are you happy to only heal me going forward?

No I will not tell you my role.

[Vedith]

Why are we voting Edo, Wisdom?

because hes scum

Other scum include gerry and desp

Anything to say against this, Edo?

[Vedith]

Vax show me where you claimed doc. <3

[Vedith]

I mean originally. Or what that day 1?
Also I see that A50 already claimed.
I'm odd day cop
Wisdom is gucci

[Vedith]

Your a flavor cop?

What? No

[Vedith]

Also I mean odd night.

[Vedith]

So you never just claimed doc?

[Vedith]

@ almost: i haven't really noticed anything overly toxic in either direction but that's all in the eye of the beholder. your replace out makes me sad panda.

Don't worry, you got an upgrade!

[Vedith]

I'm odd day cop
Wisdom is gucci

How do you know wisdoms flavor?

What's his flavour?

[Vedith]

I unvoted because he claimed dayvig, he wasn't dayvig therefore I revoted.
Please tell me how that is different to LUV's vote who was town?

Why are you town, Dany?

[Vedith]

Gucci

Gucci means good.

[Vedith]

THis is breaking bad theme vaxkiller.

On a related note, waht does gucci mean?

It means good...
Like, we gucci Vax?

Pedit

[Vedith]

and again, there were multiple people discussing how the reaction test was more likely to come from town so him not actually being a dayvig didnt remotely make him scum

As we all know, there was zero town motivation for that move. Literally none.

I don't see why town Vecna would do that. I'll be putting my vote back on.
VOTE: Vecna

Please tell me the difference.

Difference is LUV dead.

[Vedith]

I unvoted because he claimed dayvig, he wasn't dayvig therefore I revoted.
Please tell me how that is different to LUV's vote who was town?

Why are you town, Dany?

I'm voting scum.

So am I apparently.
What makes your Scum a better choice than mine.

Why are you not Scum bussing?

[Vedith]

Gerry being called Scum. That's new.

[Vedith]

Okay, but I want you to convince me To Vote there. If you believe Backhand is Scum you need to tell me why.
Right now I know that Wisdom is town therefore his reads are town influenced. Why are yours town influenced?

Present a case to me.

[Vedith]

It is though cause it's going to put suspicion on him

he says, as he argues against his lynch...

scum need to lynch town to win. h

e saw an opportunity based on another player's bad play

that, despite multiple players arguing against his lynch, still ended up with him dead.

Vecna (7) - Vaxkiller, Chickadee, Backhand, Robbnva,

iDanyBoy, Lil Uzi Vert, gerryoat

LYNCH

who are your scum here if it isn't danny, robb?

So did these 3, Why am I scum more than them?

Because LUV is dead.

[Vedith]

Yeah but he's proven town. You're not.

[Vedith]

That's like saying Scum and town always have different opinions.
I think Dany is town. But he's being a Muppet.

[Vedith]

Desperado might be Scum.

[Vedith]

And I'm not saying it's right.
Vote Edo with me and Wisdom. Let's put fear in anyone wanting to vote you!

[Vedith]

Maybe, what do you think of Backhand?

I haven't seen anything of him other than he's trying to pocket me and Wisdom.
But I feel he would do that as town too.

I also haven't read anything before I joined.

[Vedith]

So did these 3, Why am I scum more than them?

are you even reading? lol

i think gerry is scum too and luv is dead

You think Gerry is Scum purely because of the lynch and hammer or...?

[Vedith]

I'll read if I feel it's a suitable time.

[Vedith]

fuck it, 180 time.
Almost is SO IN THE FUCKING SPOTLIGHT. And he does seem to be giving out more reads. he went really theoretical for a while...but ultimately, th echances of him playing like this as scum are very small.
Lets stick to the obvious people!
Danny, Wisdom, Edos, Despo...there's scum here.

And the most obvious is Danny:

VOTE: DANNY

This looks like Scum.

[Vedith]

It makes no sense to not have me in the obvious people but to have Wisdom.

[Vedith]

Opportunist fuck over there.

[Vedith]

Wisdon, Desp, Danny scum team
Edos SK?

You're taking the Piss, Right,

[Vedith]

I have a clear on Wisdom and you call him part of a Scum team without me.
Why should I give a shit about you or people who post such ridicules comments like that?

[Vedith]

oh Almost is odd noght cop.
Didnt get that at all.
well thagts fucking great.
why claim that now? aaaaaagh.

Even I found that and I haven't read the game.
How can you base the entire team on an opinion if you failed to notice that?
I just don't get it.

[Vedith]

Backhand could be Scum btw.

yes, so vote him. hes scum

That was an inside joke from last game.

[Vedith]

That's still to be seen, Backhand

[Vedith]

Yeah bus him.

Okay, get the wagon going, kiddo!

Since I'm killing vedith

Not if I kill you first, fuck sack!

@Vedith - How do you feel about Moza?

I think they saw my inoo on Wisdom and went for the "Oh I didn't see, but I was giving real reads because scum wouldn't call an inno scum".

@Vedith - fuck, I guess I have to work with you now.

Yay, me and Chickadeeeeee best friends <3

[Vedith]

Nah not Gerry.
I would say Moza.

[Vedith]

"I haven't read the game but I'm going to say who obvious Scum is"

[Vedith]

Can someone confirm if Moza had Wisdom as Scum prior to A50 claiming?

[Vedith]

There's no proof to there being SK, until there is I'm not looking for it. I'm looking for Scum and that's it.
I saw A50 think there's possible an SK from how my PM is written but it means nothing.

I like your town list. Vax is easily town and Gerry I don't Scum read.
Robb I'm told is town.

Backhand seems town.
Dany seems town.
Wisdom confirmed

That makes Scum in
Chickadeeeeee
Desp
Edo
You

[Vedith]

Can someone confirm if Moza had Wisdom as Scum prior to A50 claiming?

i cant remember, i have gone back and forth on him. think i had him as town?

Why did you have him as obvious Scum today?

[Vedith]

"I haven't read the game but I'm going to say who obvious Scum is"

can you stop OMGUSing, and we'll call it quits.
i'm fully caught up now.
stop slagging me off. town need to saty united.

Okay. \o/

[Vedith]

So one of desp/edo/chick

go for edo. worst case we get rid of someone who doesnt seem that engaged.

So you think Chickadeeeee is Town? Or just not sure?

[Vedith]

Oh well fuck the others. Until I see proof we aren't wasting time on SK.

But I still don't get what was obvious about him? I mean obvious to you being happy with lynching him.

Why isn't Chickadedee priority today? Because Wisdom said? Because Robb said?
If she's Scum we Lynch her, Right?

[Vedith]

I'd be all for a Moza lynch today.

Wisdom. Opinions here?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Moza

Okay let's go!
Still want Wisdoms input.

[Vedith]

Back isn't obv town

He looks townish at least.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Edo

I'm just saying now, I won't lynch Gerry over Moza or Chickadeeeee.
Edo lynched, desp/moza/Chickadedeeeeee shot.

[Vedith]

That's L1 - Edo claimed yet or no?

[Vedith]

Wait for what?

[Vedith]

So any protection goes on you tonight.

[Vedith]

Wait is Robb not night vig?

[Vedith]

Because that's hard work.

[Vedith]

I was actually going to check but you have almost 200 posts and I'm on phone so no cntl f. What's your claim?

[Vedith]

Skyler used to Piss me off during breaking bad.

[Vedith]

Also don't claim if the kids.
Even if you are town Edo isn't confirmed town sided.

[Vedith]

Was Edo ever on a large wagon?

[Vedith]

iDanyBoy (4) - Desperado, Backhand, Edosurist, Almost50 L-2

This is not from someone who loses if lynching wrong.
Did Edo ever try and stop the Venca lynch?

[Vedith]

VOTE: iDanyBoy

This man.

Vecna's also a worthy lynch though.

Why would you be okay with nay lynch if you don't know the names?
Keeping in mind you lose if wrong.

[Vedith]

Vedith calls bullshit. \o/

[Vedith]

He does play like 3rd party though. The doubt on there being another 3rd party is there.
But he's talking bollocks about his role.

[Vedith]

I mean, yeah sure. They can probably wait to clear themselves for when it's necessary like some sort of self-revealing IC.

P-Edit: Because I'm trying to lynch scum. If I vote willy-nilly and vote someone who looks town, I'm more likely to hit scum. And then once we get to the point where someone claims and they claimed Holly or Walter, I would've said I knew they were conftown.

But your objective isn't to lynch Scum, right?
It's to not have 2 individuals die. You have no reason to be lynching Scum, even more so as 3rd party.

[Vedith]

And what do you say if someone says "the annoying kid"
Do you say they are town and then expect everyone to believe it?

[Vedith]

And why the fuck would someone be a stupid baby with all the possible characters?

[Vedith]

If Pers gave me Holly. If be like "you think you're funny?"

[Vedith]

Actually no. If you're Holly tell us. It's not like you have a point in this game.
If no own up you go bye bye Edo!

[Vedith]

And what do you say if someone says "the annoying kid"
Do you say they are town and then expect everyone to believe it?

Yeah. What else would I do? I'm not gonna sit around and not vote anyone cuz you would've given me even more flack. Therefore I'm aiming for scum.

Even if you are telling the truth. We have no proof that these are Scum or even Scum with fake claims.
You might know who they are and just don't want us to lynch then so call them confirmed town.

[Vedith]

RABBLERABBLERABBLE

[Vedith]

Fake characters which you know of.

[Vedith]

How would they play, Edo?

[Vedith]

If you don't know then why happy with lynching someone?!
If you don't know you want to know 100% or you lose right?!

[Vedith]

I was actually going to check but you have almost 200 posts and I'm on phone so no cntl f. What's your claim?

Day vig.

Are you Holly?

[Vedith]

Oh, you're saying that they're actually scum fake claims?

Nothing in my PM suggests that they could be fake claims.

I just know that their names are green in my PM and that I'm supposed to not let them get lynched.

I told you I don't even know.

Wouldn't that be boarder line bastard?

[Vedith]

Having 2 targets who you don't know of and they can't be lynched...
I would say yes.

[Vedith]

Oh wait do you mean no to being Holly?
I was taking the Piss.

[Vedith]

My one counterpoint would be that Holly White is a pretty fringe character to have in the game and if he just made it up, a lack of claim *could* ruin the plan.

You're Holly huh?

[Vedith]

I say we Lynch Backhand!

[Vedith]

Today I'd lynch Backhand, Robb, Dany. I'd take Desp later if Dany flips town, but otherwise Chickadee would fall next. Based on POE, things already look pretty good for us.

Like look at this.
Someone who doesn't want to lynch wrong giving half he fucking game names.

[Vedith]

I say we Lynch Backhand!

Why

Because I don't buy their shit.
And if wrong we get rid of 3p. Fuck 3p

[Vedith]

1031 is not in the mind set of being Holly.
Showing doubt when if they are Holly they know full well the claim is real.

Bullshit.

[Vedith]

My one counterpoint would be that Holly White is a pretty fringe character to have in the game and if he just made it up, a lack of claim *could* ruin the plan.

You're Holly huh?

Yeah, my thinking was that scum could have a flavor cop and I was trying to get a sense if edos was trying to prod me *specifically* into claiming. Didn't get that feeling or he hid it well.

Bullshit.

[Vedith]

Oh I was skimming. Let me read when not at red lights

DON'T PLAY AND DRIVE! YOU MIGHT GET HURT!

[Vedith]

VOTE: Edo

I'm just saying now, I won't lynch Gerry over Moza or Chickadeeeee.
Edo lynched, desp/moza/Chickadedeeeeee shot.

i could maybe live with this. idk. let me read into edo more. i just played with him recently so ill see if hes acting similar to that game (he was town that game)

Gerry!
Read this first!

[Vedith]

Vote Count 2.8

iDanyBoy (2) - Desperado, mozamis
Backhand (1) - gerryoat
Edosurist (5) - Chickadee, Wisdom, Vedith, Backhand, iDanyBoy

L-1

Desperado (1) - Robbnva
gerryoat (1) - Edosurist
mozamis (1) - Vaxkiller

Not voting (0) -

With 11 players it's 6 votes to lynch

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2017-08-03 10:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Please verify that I have your vote in the right place.

holy shit, this wagon was too fast. nvm

Wait. Did you actually get Scum?

[Vedith]

Shut up Holly!

[Vedith]

Also I think we should lynch Moza.
You okay with that, Edo?

[Vedith]

I dont give a shit what you are sold on.
For all we know you didn't poison and just faked you did for town credit.
You're not confirmed in the slightest, Gerry!

[Vedith]

We also don't know if both of Edos targets are town if he's telling the truth.
I don't see both as town otherwise there's too much to confirm town by day 2.

[Vedith]

LOL Vedith weren't you just townreading gerry?

We're destined to never agree on anything in any game ever.

Yeah, you're right gerry.

Vax, gerry, Vedith, Wisdom, Backhand, {Walter J.} are all basically conftown. It's looking good for town fmpov.
VOTE: Robbnva

Holly, you're too young to speak.

I'm precocious.

VOTE: Idanyboy

What a fun afternoon back to my top scumread.

Doesn't mean he goes on confirmed.

[Vedith]

nah, i got healed and i know the healing flavor. so i'd be confirmed town by tomorrow if someone else is poisoned and healed.

No, you said you got healed.
So what if no one is poisoned, or Vax is killed?
You have no proof!

You're not confirmed. And that's final.

[Vedith]

I dont give a shit what you are sold on.
For all we know you didn't poison and just faked you did for town credit.
You're not confirmed in the slightest, Gerry!

Gerry's logic actually kind of makes sense though with what's happened in the game so far.

We also don't know if both of Edos targets are town if he's telling the truth.
I don't see both as town otherwise there's too much to confirm town by day 2.

Their flavor names would be in green.

We don't know for a start what we will see. And just being green means fuck all imo. If it says they are aligned town I would believe it.

[Vedith]

I mean, you fuckers don't understand what confirmed means.
Like Wisdom is confirmed to Me, and that's the only confirm in the game. It's not even to you mugs.

[Vedith]

I dont give a shit what you are sold on.
For all we know you didn't poison and just faked you did for town credit.
You're not confirmed in the slightest, Gerry!

Gerry's logic actually kind of makes sense though with what's happened in the game so far.

We also don't know if both of Edos targets are town if he's telling the truth.
I don't see both as town otherwise there's too much to confirm town by day 2.

Their flavor names would be in green.

We don't know for a start what we will see. And just being green means fuck all imo. If it says they are aligned town I would believe it.

Well we wouldn't know until Edo flips. Either way, 3p is 3p.

And Scum is Scum.
I think you're Scum.
I think Moza is Scum.

I think Edo is talking bollocks
I think Backhand is talking bollocks

Do you see my problem here?

[Vedith]

I'm fine with lynching either Edo or Moza.

Backhand is being weird, but I can kind of see where he was coming from saying what he said about Holly being in the game.

Why is Moza Scum for You?

[Vedith]

And Scum is Scum.
I think you're Scum.
I think Moza is Scum.

I think Edo is talking bollocks
I think Backhand is talking bollocks

Do you see my problem here?

Yeah, but the good thing is that some of these blocks are likely to be confirmed at some point--like assuming you are town vedith you have to die in the next two nights or get another investigate off. If someone else gets poisoned, vax can verify his role. If edos dies and is telling the truth he confirms me and someone else. If I die, I don't totally confirm edos but it helps.

So what happens when Vax dies tonight?
There's no way to prove Gerry. Therefore not confirmed.

I don't believe that we have 6 names clears on day 2.
Even more so 2 coming from 3p

[Vedith]

I'm fine with lynching either Edo or Moza.

Backhand is being weird, but I can kind of see where he was coming from saying what he said about Holly being in the game.

Why is Moza Scum for You?

Why haven't you read the game?

Seriously, all the questions you've been asking have been talked over. Here's the gist:

-Ever time Moza posts a reads list it's basically the opposite of what it was before. There's too much flip-flopping in that slot.
-Moza keeps intentionally misrepping me, and if memory serves, did it to A50 too (before his claim), by quoting only parts of posts and asking for the specific information that is in the parts they didn't quote to make me/A50 look scummy
-The charade of "oops I didn't see the wisdom clear" felt fake to me.

Why should I read the game when you can just answer my questions?

-so only scum flip flop on reads?
-examples
-I gree with this. But why does that make Moza more Scum than You?

[Vedith]

If scum have a poisoner and a night kill and town lynch a doctor while the other is claiming... id put 2 and 2 together.

[Vedith]

The other thing is 2 Scum teams.
Because how the fuck do a Scum team manage 2 night kills?

[Vedith]

A lot doesn't add up imo.
And having 6 town with 11 left doesn't work.
Considering we also had a host who I would assume had a doc power but some investigation ability.

I don't buy it for a second

[Vedith]

Joat not host

[Vedith]

Also didn't have doc power. Not had it

[Vedith]

Because every reason has it's own motivation to if Scum or town.
What would you consider popular opinion as of 556?

[Vedith]

Who has you as scum at that pount?

[Vedith]

Also, do you think LUV can read you well?

[Vedith]

You said that Moza was going by popular opinion on that read list apart from Danny, Backhand and Gerry.
I want to know why you think this at that point. Because if you're right, majority of players had you as Scum or scummy.

[Vedith]

I've been a mixed topic all day by lots of people. Some people think I'm scum, some people don't.

everyone could say this every game ever.

You couldn't. You are always called Scum all game.

[Vedith]

Also, do you think LUV can read you well?

I assume thats directed at me. I'd say yes, he can read me fairly well. However it's already been pointed out in thread that we have a connection, meaning people already knew about it.

So if Scum you wouldn't want him around, right?
His ISO is pretty poor and I'm not sure what made Scum kill there. Did I miss a crumb?

[Vedith]

You said that Moza was going by popular opinion on that read list apart from Danny, Backhand and Gerry.
I want to know why you think this at that point. Because if you're right, majority of players had you as Scum or scummy.

I never quoted that exact reads list. You did. I said in general, Mozas reads change every time the post reads.

I asked that read list and you responded back
"All of that except Danny, Backhand, and Gerry"
Did I read your response wrong?

[Vedith]

LUV, there's been a lot of talk around you. Any thoughts?

Not really. I understand where Moz is coming from as well as how critical you've been.

What did this post mean?

[Vedith]

Chickadedeeeeee can you explain your Venca Scum read from yesterday?
I just don't follow it. You seem unsure for the most part that Venca was Scum... You even said you're just voting there until you see reason not to.

The only time you interacted with Venca with the Scum read was asking him to talk about his thought process and it gave the impression you were open to him as town. Other than that you put no effort into sorting him and just tried to shade him.

What am I missing because that doesn't seem right.

[Vedith]

People knew before hand that we were connected, so what makes you think scum wouldn't take advantage of that? Why do you think I would be so obvious?

Again, this has been addressed. Read the thread.

I'm more than happy to work WITH you, but not FOR you.

I'm currently reading your ISO.
Why was LUV town lean?
Do you have many games you have town read him after so little?
Why would Scum worry about shading you if you already had shade there? Do you think Scum killed LUV to frame You?

No, but again, you're the one that brought up that specific reads list. I answered off of memory. And once again it was literally half a game ago. You're being extremely pedantic for someone who hasn't even read the game

I get this feels like a personal attack, because it is.
But Moza will be getting the same don't worry.

Okay, but you answered quickly and confidently. If I was putting a case that x was giving majority reads as their reads and I was questioned on a particular one I would check it first. Not guess. I'm not sure how accurate your comment is for that reads lists and that's why I asked that 1 on particular as it wasn't popular demand.

How the fuck should I know?

Was you not curious to what LUV meant? I read it as how critical you have been as in a bad play or a read on you from LUV which isn't positive (not exactly negative either but closer).
Think I'm right with that, or am I misunderstanding LUV?

[Vedith]

Also, where did Edo go? I'm not done with him!

[Vedith]

My eyes are starting to roll back into my head--need to come back and reread this whole mess later.

Shut up, Holly!

[Vedith]

Am I the only person you're going to question about the Vecna lynch? Because I wasn't the only person on it. I didn't like their gambit of outing a power role and faking a day vig. And I asked because I was still trying to gauge where I was with them. I never removed my vote because I was fine with a vena lynch D1.

But you said that you only vote Scum? I think I saw that in your ISO, I'll confirm if needed.
This shows you were just annoyed at their play rather than Scum reading them?
So it was a policy lynch?
Who else do you think I should question over the lynch?

LUV was a town lean because of how he placed his vote. I believe it was on Moza. LUV and I have played a lot and I usually read him correctly within his first few posts.
And no, I wasn't really curious what LUV meant. I was just trying to draw it out because he'd been quiet.


Vedith, if I'm scum, why are you still alive? I picked up A50's crumb D1. If I were scum, I'd kill the fucking cop.

It was a naked vote. Can you read LUV that well that a naked vote makes him town lean (without you explaining the read at the time of presenting)?
Not to mention you said he could be Scum shortly after.

Can you show me where you acknowledge that me/A50 is a cop before he claims?
I have a thought on it but this will really help.

[Vedith]

I was trying not to draw attention to it (because again, scum kills cop there), and (again) I've already spoken on this. Did you see my reaction to his crumb, saying we should work together?

And yes, I can read LUV extremely well.

And since you've admitted this is a personal attack, I'm done entertaining you. You haven't even read the game. You have no context for this stuff. All you're doing is poking me to fill in context for you, and it's annoying.

So what you are saying is you tried to pocket A50? There's no reason for us to believe you thought he was a cop.

So you can read LUV extremely well, yet you were showing doubt on his spot and said he could be Scum? That's not reading it well.

That's fine, if you don't wish to work with me on gaining my reads I'll just assume that you are Scum who has contradicted themselves over and over.

Next up, Moza. I'll give you a chance to think of your story. Why should I vote Chickadeeeee over You?

[Vedith]

we had auto win if i survived tonight. congrats on Robb being a dumbass. enjoy seeing my flip.

I don't believe in auto wins.

[Vedith]

We should just lynch Chickadeeeee

[Vedith]

Almost said it suggests there is a SK.

[Vedith]

Why do you think you being 2 shot makes them only 2 shot?
How many games have you seen an x shot cop with Scum being x shot?

[Vedith]

Okay, before lynching lets see Dany as an IC.

[Vedith]

We should have lynched Chickadeeeee. That was obvious scum.

Why did Vax take 4 votes?

[Vedith]

Fair enough.
GG. shame though as 2 of the scum were obvious.

Thanks for modding.

[Vedith]

i don't know about chick. thought she was scum, but she's prob. town.
she's certainly not priority Today.

Yeah, you had the Scum team.

[Vedith]

In fairness, MyLo with 8 people should not be a loss with 1 town vote imo.
But it's happened. Robb isn't at blame here so stop trying to push that he is.

[Vedith]

No, the mafia doc theory wasn't good. And you don't vote in mylo, period. You guys should have no lynched, and if you're going to no lynch, there's no point in voting anyway. If you guys no lynch, scum are forced to kill Vedith. He flips cop, and Wisdom is conftown. With Wisdom conftown, you guys would have had a very good chance to win. And I'm not just referring to you, Robb. Wisdom came out voting, and although he was voting scum, he was setting the example.

On a no lynch it's then 4 to lynch. Scum could have pushed for that and saved the hated modifier for an instant win, going by ifs and buts.
This setup and mechanics doesn't make a no lynch on MyLo the best option, with that knowledge, of course..

[Vedith]

We couldn't hate past D3

Do it night 3, or is it a day action?