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[WhyMafia]

I am extremely sorry, but I'm having a substantial IRL problem currently. I may not post frequently in the next outlet of days, but I will try to post when I can. If there comes a point where you guys get frustrated from a lack of content from me, I'll replace out, but I doubt it'll get that bad. Thanks for the consideration

[LlamaFluff]

Just...

@Scorp - Explain your views on read lists.

[Mulch]

Just...

@Scorp - Explain your views on read lists.

You don't understand...

[LlamaFluff]

Just...

@Scorp - Explain your views on read lists.

You don't understand...

You don't understand...

Its his wording you are arguing with. I can easily see scum OR town saying the exact same thing as its what they believe to be true. Your logic is that *you* would not say it in that way as town, when I see zero issue with town saying that context pending. If its the meta belief of Scorp, than he should say so. If he is using it as a reason to avoid giving reads and is ignoring that others ahv been making reads lists, THEN you have a case, but him wording it like that has nothing to do with alignment and instead has everything to do with theory beliefs.

[Ircher]

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Day 2 VC #7

Awesomeusername (0) -
WhyMafia (1) - Alban (869)
Steel (0) -
Mulch (1) - LlamaFluff (961)
Scorpious (2) - MarioManiac4 (1244), Mulch (1268)
Alban (2) - WhyMafia (1223), Scorpious (1229)
MarioManiac4 (0) -
LlamaFluff (1) - Steel (955)
No Lynch (0) -
Not Voting (1) - Awesomeusername

Lynch Threshold

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

Day 2 will end by August 5, 2017 5:30 PM EDT or in (expired on 2017-08-05 17:30:00).

Moderator Notes

Moderator V/LA July 24-28. Please address issues to Gamma Emerald during that time.
Steel V/LA until July 30. ((expired on 2017-07-30 23:59:59))
Have fun!

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 2

WhyMafia: Alban (867) --> Awesomeusername (1191) --> Alban (1223)
Steel: LlamaFluff (955)
Mulch: Alban (918) --> Scorpious (945) --> Alban (957) --> Awesomeusername (972) --> Alban (1006) --> LlamaFluff (1090) ==> LlamaFluff (1098) --> Alban (1113) --> LlamaFluff (1154) --> Alban (1156) --> Scorpious (1200) --> LlamaFluff (1267) --> Scorpious (1268)
Scorpious: Alban (1229)
Alban: WhyMafia (869)
MarioManiac4: Awesomeusername (1006) --> Scorpious (1244)
LlamaFluff: Mulch (961)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 1

Awesomeusername: Scorpious (73) --> I am Innocent (205) --> (Null) (387) --> Vedith (496) --> (Null) (565) --> LlamaFluff (586) --> (Null) (597)

Vedith

: Carcalilly (88) --> Tchill13 (135) --> Steel (193) --> WhyMafia (455) --> Scorpious (459) --> Carcalilly (580) -->

Vedith (755)*

Lil Uzi Vert

(replaced by WhyMafia)

: MarioManiac4 (192) --> Steel (256)
WhyMafia

(replaced Lil Uzi Vert)

: Alban (460) --> Carcalilly (571) --> Vedith (588) --> Carcalilly (591) --> Vedith (727)
Steel: No Lynch (127) ==> No Lynch (182) --> Lil Uzi Vert (254) --> (Null) (272) --> Carcalilly (279) --> Scorpious (419) --> Vedith (442) --> (Null) (469) --> Vedith (545) --> LlamaFluff (537) --> Carcalilly (570)
Io: Steel (67) --> Io (132) --> (Null) (164) --> I am Innocent (204) --> MarioManiac4 (365) --> (Null) (428) --> Vedith (618) --> (Null) (724)
Scorpious: Lil Uzi Vert (99) --> (Null) (482) --> Vedith (587)
Alban: Vedith (104)

Tchill13

: Carcalilly (129) --> (Null) (147) --> Vedith (231) --> Scorpious (437) --> (Null) (475) --> Carcalilly (592)

Carcalilly

: MarioManiac4 (78) --> Vedith (90) --> Lil Uzi Vert (102) ==> Lil Uzi Vert (120) --> Io (133) --> Tchill13 (138) --> MarioManiac4 (170) --> Vedith (298) --> MarioManiac4 (377) --> Alban (602) --> Vedith (695)
MarioManiac4: Carcalilly (66) --> (Null) (157) --> Tchill13 (174) --> Scorpious (176) --> Steel (189) --> (Null) (289) --> MarioManiac4 (340) --> Vedith (345) --> Scorpious (405)
I am Innocent (

replaced by LlamaFluff

): Carcalilly (69)
LlamaFluff (

replaced I am Innocent

): Vedith (532)

Dawn

Awesomeusername: MarioManiac4 (7)

Vedith

: Tchill13 (13) --> Scorpious (24)

Tchill13

: MarioManiac4 (49)

Carcalilly

: Vedith (15) --> MarioManiac4 (19) --> Scorpious (30) --> MarioManiac4 (58)
MarioManiac4: Vedith (4) --> Carcalilly (50)

[alban]

Mulch is a bad lynch. Why mafia should be our lynch fur the day

[Mulch]

Mulch is a bad lynch. Why mafia should be our lynch fur the day

Right and wrong respectively

[LlamaFluff]

If you think WM is scum, please make a concise case because that is an opinion held essentially just by you.

[alban]

I don't understand on what basis are people tr-ing him. Can you put a concise case for not lynching him?
I have already mentioned my case on him.
1. Coasting and fence-sitting.
2. He can't explain how he associates me to Carcalilly. I am not expecting a logical answer here coz any logic could be circumvented by scum!me, but at least talk about it.
3. His opinions get swayed according to the popular opinion.

[MarioManiac4]

You know what? I want to gladiate with Alban. 1 v 1 me.

he hasn't been fence-sitting and he hasn't been coasting.
and you're going to have give sources for 3)

[alban]

He has been fence-sitting and coasting regarding everyone else except me.
Please go through his posts regarding anyone else in the game and you would see a pattern.
He is buddying with both Mulch and Llama who are currently as diametrically opposite as it could get. His opinions on both of them are safe. Please ask him his opinion about them.
Source for 3 is the change in his behaviour after I left the game momentarily. He did a u-turn. Not just that, he vehemently shaded me on my return. Why is he averse to more simplistic explanation that maybe someone asked me to stay? Maybe I stayed coz I regretted my decision (not true, but still why is that not a possibility?). The only possibility he comes up with is how my rage was fake and how I quit as a strategy. Now those are serious allegations, and nothing I do or say could prove otherwise, so honestly, it's pretty convenient. Also, in which world does a scum leave, gather sympathy that would immensely help its slot upon replacement, and then instead of allowing the replacement to take the game fwd, comes back himself and be prepared for all the backlash that follows? It's counterproductive to the whole set-up if you think of it like that.

The only reason why Mulch's slot cleared for me was coz he was the most rational at that time. When public opinion was for me during my 24 hours away, he was the only one who said quitting is NAI. Upon my return, when some of you were vocally against me, Mulch was the only one who supported me saying exactly what I outlined above. His thought process has been the most logical.

Why Mafia's on the other hand has been most convenient. He take a 180 deg turn and sympathises with me during my time away, but shades me heavily upon my return. So, what really changed? If my slot is scum, it's scum regardless of my apparent behaviour, since rage could be easily faked (as he was doing upon my reurn). If my slot is town, it's town regardless of my apparent (and silly) decision to come back.

[alban]

Also, Mario, you cannot just counter my points and say that's the reason WhyMafia is town.
If you have been reading him town independent of my read of him, you need to outline your reasons independent of my sr of him.

[WhyMafia]

BTW
I'm not fencesitting on Llama and Mulch. I'm blatantly calling them town. I have no idea how I'm coasting. I've blantantly said my lynchpool: You, awesome, or scorpious

[Scorpious]

UNVOTE: Alban

[Mulch]

Hi Scorpy

[Scorpious]

Hi Mulch..

[awesomeusername]

Alban, I disagree with some of your logic in 1222. In particular, I appreciate that you think I'm a little townier, but I don't think you should townread me (or bump a scumread to a null or whatever) just for effort. :/ Also, while it's probably "correct" to take your replace-out as NAI, I'm not really sure how that makes Mulch townier. I guess it further shows that he's analyzing thoroughly but like, I've been convinced of that for a while now. Sheeping the majority is a bit scummy though - is that your point?

For what it's worth, alban's and WM's rage both read as genuine to me.

@Mulch 1201: The gut scumread might honestly just be intimidation, combined with the fact that he's pretty manipulative. Actually, I'm kinda coming around to him. His reads are evolving, which is good to see.

How are his reads evolving........... jesus christ

His read on alban evolved when he realized he was misreading alban's read list (1176-1186). And his read on me changed somewhere, because now I'm null. Admittedly, that's not a lot but it's more than before - or maybe I just didn't notice before. I guess you're just reading that as the tunnel intensifying, but it makes me think he has been keeping an eye on the rest of us.

@Scorpious: What about WM's reaction to alban returning seems fake to you?

I don't think Scorpious' recent posts have been that terrible, although I understand why they're under fire. In particular 1229 pinged me as well, but it's consistent with his play so far of pointing out random things he thinks are scummy, and voting people for single incidents. This general trend is scummy, actually, but for different reasons.

So here's the thing about the recent displays of emotion. If WM's rage is real, that pretty directly points to him being town, because he's mad about being manipulated. If alban's rage is real, that's NAI since he was mostly just offended if I'm interpreting things correctly - I'm kinda town reading it because he has a history of doing this as town, but it's a pretty weak tell because it's meta. Mulch's rage almost makes more sense to me from scum than from town. I mean, I believe you when you say you're really self-conscious as town - so this could definitely come from town-you as well - but like, I don't really understand where some of your statements are coming from if you're town.

@Mulch: Why do you think Llama tunneling you will make town lose? Especially since you're so townread otherwise? Also, wouldn't it be good for you not to be night killed if you're that obvtown and probably one of the better scum hunters in the game?

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Alban

I dont like replacing/not replacing being used as a tactic. Also why are you staying now, because people backed off?

The push,and retraction from Whymaf seems fake also.. I would support that lynch to today.

this is still really bad

[MarioManiac4]

tbh mafia have a kinda tough path to victory assuming 2 members
a major thing i'm doing is looking for people trying to arrange it

like awesome and scorpious

[Steel]

Checking in, don't think it's scorpious as he's been towntelling decently to me since he got involved.

The gamestate right now points to townread or proficient scum if it isn't alban. Resetting timer for now but I'll be on this later today.

[Ircher]

I'm still watching.

[Steel]

I want to believe awesome is town through sheer amount of time invested into his reads and going as far as to meta research multiple times.

I know mulch has a reputation for steamrolling as scum but I played with Io in a game where I mislynched her earlier and she was locktown for me before she replaced out.

Still think llama may be likeliest scum here. Innocent's rage over being accused of faking his busyness read heavily exaggerated, the core of it was likely there but I think it was overplayed. Regarding mulch I'd somewhat expect after all that interaction if the scumread is still there to maybe convince them to switch or achieve some thing rather than continue to engage with probable scum but that might be a personal thing as well.

On some level we maybe should just flip today and narrow things down some however.

[Steel]

Even though I townread scorpious more I still feel like he's a better lynch to alban, I can't shake that the latter flips town.

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Scorpius

[Steel]

Actually I've just been looking at the posts individually but holistically he doesn't really scumhunt.