Mini Normal 1923: BooneyToonz IV - Five Weeks in a Boon END

[Maestro]

Hey shitposters. I'm not reading those pages.

Yo Klaz, you Scum boi?

[Maestro]

Yeah if some of you shitpost any more I'm just going to stop reading your posts

DV and Keyser can be town for now, username source material notwithstanding

Klaz, don't start out this game like you ended the last one
Paranoia doesn't suit you, and it certainly annoys the shit out of me, so what up binch?

You Scum boi?

[Maestro]

have you read my posts?

I've read the back-and-forth with Tacos where you were "getting a read on me"; anything within pages 2-5 probably not? idr at this point

Engage with me then, if you want to get a read - I kinda just figured eventually I'd get a psychic-level gut read on you and/or one of us would get lynched or NKed before it mattered whether you were Scum or not

that or you'd slip

[Maestro]

*Scumday

Also, @Klaz: Fykus isn't pinging me ATM so...?

[Maestro]

Keyser and GF - have you two played under any alt accounts on this site?

[Maestro]

Yeah, a few. Why?

I'd like to know what they are. Is this account your main or an alt?

The reason I ask is I can't reconcile what I've seen of you two and your play so far with what I could find meta-wise, and you're two of the more interesting (maybe I mean "seemingly-competent"?) players in the game that I do not know.

Witcher guy is not interesting to me rn, too much RP and not enough analysis - he should probably be dead by endgame unless he starts putting in the work. Keychain is... awkward, especially the entrance post(s), but I'll look at them again when I do more than just skim. Creature is a lot of calling other people out without putting in much follow-up or preemptively listening to their own advice. Assemble made one post about VLA and RVS. All the rest, I've either played with very recently or spectated directly prior to this game (except DV, who is just a generally-familiar face), so I know generally what to expect from them or I at least have some basis for a read.

[Maestro]

You know I meant you. I'm phone-posting, so you can blame autocorrect if you really didn't process that all out.

[Maestro]

Also, I don't really understand what you're saying in that paragraph. Try again.

I'm not calling the 3 people mentioned in that second paragraph *IN*competent, but I did explain why I didn't see as much critical thinking, etc. behind your posts. Keyser and SAIHAGF have been probing and pushing people. You just voted me because... I hurt your feelings...?

PEDIT: Not 100% here (still phonebound), but Klaz should have been more up front about that: check our join dates and our thread history. We both frequent the Minecraft thread and were co-admins of the MS Minecraft servers at one point. He's one of the few scummers I know very well outside of the site. He's spent time at my house, and we know things about eachother that only we know, basically. We're

VERY

close friends. The townread doesn't worry me at this point and I think Tacos is overreacting saying he's buddying me,

BUT

if he tries to skate by on it without showing evidence of genuine analysis of my posts and interactions I'll be the first to call him out on it. No, it shouldn't worry anybody right now. I don't think. But it's worth mentioning I'm not getting the psychic-level read on him yet. Usually he only gets this "excited" in endgames or similar situations, not in RVS. So I'm confused but not overly concerned.

[Maestro]

"Excitable" might be a better word than excited to describe how I'm seeing his behavior. It might just be because this is the first game we've played together in awhile...? Years? Either way, I'm more cautious of him than he is of me whenever we play so I would say NAI. Just thought I'd add a corollary, though. This is not a "trust tell"-type situation, this is like any other player on MS.net that you know

EXTREMELY

well and trust your read on implicitly... it's just that we also know each other

EXTREMELY

well outside of being players like all of you.

[Maestro]

This game is boring to me rn

Who other than Geralt wants to talk?

[Maestro]

Keychain has asked to be replaced. Searching for a replacement.

Also lolk

[Maestro]

Why is M lurking though?

I'm not. I'm uninterested and been busy this weekend, but you could've asked instead of making it an accusation like this. Why were several people townreading me a few pages back? That's kinda scary given how little I've done.

@Girlfriend: what're your current thoughts on Geralt? I'm not sure I'm getting a good sense of the development of your read over the past few pages and all the arguments between you two and Mulch

[Maestro]

I should've honestly gone V/LA for the holiday weekend or "beginning of week" but I'll be around soon

just prodgin' don't mind me

give me stuff with my name in it so I respond, sometimes I get like the President of the United States in that way

[Maestro]

Mulch wtf are you actually scum?

PEDIT: I'm catching up tonight and you fucksh do this quickhammer BS?

[Maestro]

u can self hammer? self vote? is that allowed?

It is allowed, but oh my god SO anti-your-wincon. theres like only two situations when thats good.

BTW you guys will never know if I am talking to my teammates rn or not :O

You're being manipulative af right now lol

Like Mulch

if you're Scum this is still awful fucking play and you deserv post-lynch mdkil

[Maestro]

IO'm so fuckiing pissed off at Taco and Klazam, for very different reasons, right now

[Maestro]

Even if you ARE scum, which I do not put it past you to do this ridiculous bukllshit so I'm calling this NAI, Klazam knows damn well what I was up to this past week so him calling me a hardlurker is disingenuous at best and fucking secure misrep at worst

and Taco I just wish I had a fucking vigshot for

like, SO BADLY - plz Vig Taco if you can, somebody

please

[Maestro]

No, see, I don't believe you. And I was townreading you from what I read before I clicked ahead or PEDITed and saw a hammer from whoever posted that fucking giv from Thor

[Maestro]

This BS from Mluch is NAI
ignore him

fucking jesus

PEDIT: OBVIOUSLY NOTHING IS CUT OFF THINK WITH YOUR HEAD NOT YOUR DICK JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU LYNCHED SCUM GHAMNMA

[Maestro]

you deserve to be modkilled so hard

[Maestro]

talk to me, M

What.

[Maestro]

[Maestro]

Fine, Klaz We'll talk D2 I guess

this is not how this should've styarted

PEDIT: even with my Iphone 6s+ I have big fingers, makes it very hard

Bigly

PEDIT: Tchill - I will not

[Maestro]

Family plans, gf, work - yes that's where my reads be at

Spoiler:

speaking of which American Gods on STARZ is amazing and you all should watch it

[Maestro]

Maestro what are your reads at?

Who do you care about and I'll do ISOs before Boon gets in with ther VC / fliper

[Maestro]

Fine, Klaz We'll talk D2 I guess

this is not how this should've styarted

PEDIT: even with my Iphone 6s+ I have big fingers, makes it very hard

Bigly

PEDIT: Tchill - I will not

Hello partner

You need to shut the ever-loving fuck up right now.

[Maestro]

Gamma and TChill are who I am talking to currently, plzandthankyou

[Maestro]

Yeah Fykus can STFU too, he's lucky he didn't eat rope from what I read?

[Maestro]

Reads:
DV and TChill top town
Vedith Serg SAIHAGF Fykus townreads
Maestro tbd
Keyser Klazam scumreads

Not what I meant

I meant is there somebody you particularly wanted a read on and why?

[Maestro]

UGH NOW MY FUCKING PEDIT ISN"T EVEN FOWKRING

PEDIT: oh but it will work for the shitposter, ok

[Maestro]

Maestro what are your reads at?

Who do you care about and I'll do ISOs before Boon gets in with ther VC / fliper

I'd say Keyser Fykus and Creative are good

Hey look Mulch! Rule of Threre! Well he must be scum with you and Keyser?! amright? omg I cracked this game wide open, what a fucking play from you and Gamma to get him towncred - and the fakeclaim, so genuine! so amazing! ohhhhh

Fuck off, I know I'll get a Preview for you as I try to post this

P- THERE IT IS
P- you believe him? at least you've got ***integrity***

[Maestro]

I'd say

Keyser Fykus and Creative

are good

RULE OF THREEE

OOOOOOOOOOh

"MY name is Mulch I'm so güd at Mafia."

[Maestro]

Creative, you sure are attentive enough to notice that I use the rule of 3 without reading the game. It's incredible, reallly.

Creative

, you sure are attentive [...]

Creative

Literally, if you are of any alignment other than Jester you should probabnly be temp-banned fof this twilight

[Maestro]

Creative, you sure are attentive enough to notice that I use the rule of 3 without reading the game. It's incredible, reallly.

If you're referring to me like you should be, the reason I know about your absolute BS scumtell-that's-not-a-scumtell is that you fucking ranted and raved about in tHIS SHITSHOW OF A GAMe ( viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72179 ) which I've already said I was following with keen interest until I realized you were helping to legit lbotomize Town that game

THE

ONLY

REASON you were alive to almost fuck-up endgame was because you were so hardballer-waffling on all the wrong things that scumFykus didn't consider you a threat

PEDIT: I'm not a derp. Fucking rude. I can just tell when somebody is fucking with me for fun and I don't appreciate it.

[Maestro]

naive

like, REALLY BOI

fuckign really

I didn't join last year

like somepeople in this thread

[Maestro]

3.

Creative

4.

Vedith

Keychain

5.

SergTacos

7.

Gamma Emerald

Geralt of Rivia

8.

Fykus

9.

Tchill13

10.

Klazam

11.

Deasvail

12.

stay away I have a gf

13.

Keyser Söze

idgaf about Mulch but I thought he was Town from what I did read which is why am so blind rn because this Twilight is the epitome of "person fycking with people" - NAI and unhelpful and frustrating and just fucking abonminable

if anybody wants elaboration go right ahead and

aaaaaask

PEDIT: Mulch self-hammering as also NAI

and his Twilight posts, if town like I was reading pre-catchup, are fucking ban-worthy for not playing to his wincon if Town

like Gamma. Think with your noodle in your head, not the other noodle which I'm sure is rock hard because you think you led a town lynch

[Maestro]

Keyser's color is wrong, but hwatever just kill me I don't want to be in this game ffs

[Maestro]

No, what I need is cool off. Goodnight.

PEDIT: k

[Maestro]

u sound fake btw

so do you

SEE I CAN DO ITC TO

[Maestro]

I'm pretty sure at least one fucking person knows when I'm upset in this game and I don't need you to sit around telling me ANYTHING rn

PEDIT: I yjinnk I did know he cop-claimed? idr that list is mainly off of what I remember pre-catchup attempts

[Maestro]

Hey hey hey

how about you get banned for it and I walk away with my headache and never play a game with you again

how about that

[Maestro]

Ok. News flash: I'm town.

I did this self hammer as a cold blooded calculated move to allow town to get a unique perspective in a twilight realm that can be used totally late game.

It's very useful claiming I was scum, because scum literally KNOW I am town and still have to act like I am scum anyway, which is really interesting.

Maestro's reactions to this are extraodinarily fake and he should be scumread heavily for this. Klazam and Tchill and Fykus are near confirmed town because of it. Gamma's reactions are good as well.

Literally, "fuck you as a player in this game" is all I can say.
Because I don't also want to get banned for your sake.

[Maestro]

What perspective should we have had if we could see that you're full of shitpost just like you were all this gamec and tha lats one MUlch?!~

[Maestro]

Hey hey hey

how about you get banned for it and I walk away with my headache and never play a game with you again

how about that

You weren't here the entire game and people even that have gotten angry at me aren't angry at me for this. This is how I know your fake. I also know your anger is fake.

Furthermore, I know that you weren't "about" to come here and say that I was town.
You magically appeared right after I self hammered.

ahahaha uyou know nothing Jon fucking Snow

series of events blahblahblah I was around just before hammer but was catching up after the prod this afternoon but I don't need to defend myself to the Town-actively-playing-against-his-wincon

[Maestro]

I repeat:

DO NOT

lynch Fykus

EVER

your reads and positions mean nothing

you played against town just as much as any of the Scum ddi this game

[Maestro]

I repeat:

DO NOT

lynch Fykus

EVER

thankyou. finally

Go. Away.

[Maestro]

Yeah looking back Maestro does seem very fake

you're hilarious babez

PEDIT: I hope he does too Mulch, and I fuckinhope we get notice about your ban before endgame

[Maestro]

the fuck did i do?

this is you

COASTING

[Maestro]

Lol only experienced players will know that the gift I gave this town is going to be so hugely helpful when analyzed time and time again this game

You're laughably arrogant here for somebody who is one of the least experienced players in tyghe game, was just lynched, and who gave a giant middle finger to those of us left in your faction who have to sort out the pieces.

[Maestro]

M

E

T

A

M

E

Fucks

PEDT: the fact that I wasn't here all game adds up with all the shit I have already said? that

[Maestro]

Creative/Meastro/_______-

hilarious

PEDIT: OK

[Maestro]

I mean it's not the worst case
We just need to correct course going forward

Literally you're saying Town self-hammering and playing scum in twilight is advised

in no use case is that acceptable, ever

Weren;'t you the one just saying how psyched you were for lynching scum,?!

[Maestro]

Klazam would defend me as either alignment apparently>?/

that's one rewason I don't like Mulch's push here, Klazam is NOT SOLID TOWN

[Maestro]

Literally, in no world does Klazam's "hammer(?)" clear him and Mulch shouldn't be fucking us over saying it does, but what do I know I just have

5

more years at this game just on this site compared to him

[Maestro]

I know how he talks when hes actually pissed here. it lines up here.

Why are you trying to defend maestro so much? You're playing like he's conf town and his read is the only one you trust.

Hey. hey everybody who ever asks this question evert

[Maestro]

Also, I don't really understand what you're saying in that paragraph. Try again.

I'm not calling the 3 people mentioned in that second paragraph *IN*competent, but I did explain why I didn't see as much critical thinking, etc. behind your posts. Keyser and SAIHAGF have been probing and pushing people. You just voted me because... I hurt your feelings...?

PEDIT: Not 100% here (still phonebound), but Klaz should have been more up front about that: check our join dates and our thread history. We both frequent the Minecraft thread and were co-admins of the MS Minecraft servers at one point. He's one of the few scummers I know very well outside of the site. He's spent time at my house, and we know things about eachother that only we know, basically. We're

VERY

close friends. The townread doesn't worry me at this point and I think Tacos is overreacting saying he's buddying me,

BUT

if he tries to skate by on it without showing evidence of genuine analysis of my posts and interactions I'll be the first to call him out on it. No, it shouldn't worry anybody right now. I don't think. But it's worth mentioning I'm not getting the psychic-level read on him yet. Usually he only gets this "excited" in endgames or similar situations, not in RVS. So I'm confused but not overly concerned.

[Maestro]

I'm not nearly as confident in readingh Kalz this game, but I just read 1919 and that's seriously fucking with me

[Maestro]

I know how he talks when hes actually pissed here. it lines up here.

Do you think he could fake that?

I dont think so.

Why are you at the same time sure adn not sure

wgich is it, Klaz? you need to pick one or admit you're not as reliable as you think you are here

[Maestro]

CREATIVE ROPE

WHATY ABOUT ME

[Maestro]

L:iterally, mulch, you are nothing at this point except unreliable

even after your flip you will be unreliable WHATEVERYOUAREBECAUSE WHO KNOWS

[Maestro]

Im not reading into anything

you need to realize we're tied at this hip this game and that is not fun for me not knowing-for-sute your alignment like you seem to think you know mine

[Maestro]

My back and head ache and I work all fuckign day tomorr.w Good night.

[Maestro]

I can't provide anythign of quality

I se nothign but red

[Maestro]

The thing that gets me is that there's nothing I can do to convince any of you that I would think the things I thought and I would have said the things I said regardless of alignment. And that's what fucking pissed me off when I thought about the shit-for-brains "play" that was apparently made in Twilight yesterday. At best, my outburst was NAI. If you think I'm Scum because of it then I don't know what to fucking say to you at all

Mostly @TChill

[Maestro]

I'll be rereading tonight and tomorrow (afternoon)

[Maestro]

At best, my outburst was NAI.

Word choice here seems strange- i'd have thought you'd say at worst, your outburst was NAI, not at best. whats at worst- it was scummy?

----

Im here, gonna look back over things now.

IDK I think I was trying to post that as analysis from Tchill's perspective of "I'm gonna sheep Mulch into thinking Maestro is Scum and the twilight response affects this how?" and then saying that "at best, the answer to that question is 'it doesn't, it's NAI'"

But I really don't know, maybe it was just an odd way to express my thoughts

[Maestro]

Both of our wagons were on town

how do you know the fykus wagon was on town?

mulch got lynched because he's the stronger town asset

WHAT. MULCH IS A BAD PLAYER MY GOD. THERE IS A REASON WHY HE WAS NEVER NIGHTKILLED AS FREAKING CONFIRMED TOWN IN 1919

If there were an applause emote on MS.net I would use it for this post. Agree with everything herein, especially reference to Mulch in 1919. You'll have to ask Fykus to confirm this (and Klaz may have been too close to the situation), but it was my understanding, and just generally assumed in the Dead/Spectator thread, I think, that Mulch was kept alive IN MYLO AS CONFIRMED TOWN specifically because he was such a waffling, useless, easily-manipulated presence in that game that right up until the actual hammer on scumFykus after they decided not to NL it was edge-of-seat back-and-forth between Klazam and Mulch about who to vote - scumFykus literally did almost nothing except post the occasion IIoA; he let Mulch manipulate and confuse HIMSELF. Calling Mulch "the stronger Town asset" is not only wrong, IMO, (Fykus, if Town, would be more of a wild card to me and a concern over Mulch, who is, in a word, "malleable") it definitely seems to imply knowing the two wagons on them (Mulch / Fykus) were TvT.

VOTE: Tchill

[Maestro]

We're not going to get anywhere using mulch's reads.

I disagree completely. He's not bad. I'm not gonna argue that though. Wast of time.

How did your attitude on this change so much between start of D2 and now if I've done "nothing to convince you I'm Town"?

I

was the main takeaway from Mulch's reads. You were voting me (and seemed determined) and I really don't know what's changed to influence you this much...

[Maestro]

@ maestro you've done nothing to make believe you're town. Even without the twilight phase. I'll give you the benefit if the doubt at the moment because opening a vote in you based solely on that twilight phase isn't the greatest thing. Just wanted to see if it would pick up any traction. Meanwhile I actually have more reason to vote Sergtacos or creative at this moment.

Like, here you actually openly admit to voting me opportunistically. What the actual fuck.

[Maestro]

I will start searching for one for Maestro tomorrow morning, and he'll have until I find one to stay in.

Hi i just woke up and i'm here and I don't find this entirely fair befcause I never got a prod this week despite what anybody might think would happen

[Maestro]

Creative
Vedith
SergTacos
Vecna
Gamma Emerald
Fykus
Tchill13
Klazam
Deasvail
stay away I have a gf
Keyser Söze

for my ref

[Maestro]

Creative, is English your first language??? srs questin

[Maestro]

(cause he will get cranky and give good reactions)

Trying to "pressure" me like that isn't something you're a good enough player to pull off

I'm around, doing a big reread of D2 - that's what the playerlist for referencve was last night, but I too succumbed to Westerosi fever so Boonskiies better watch it soon or I'll post spoilers myself

[Maestro]

The ISOs I ended up doing are a bunch of me yelling at people, some of whom are no longer in the game.

I'm pleased with Creative-lynch. But let me get something a little more tangible than that later tonight.

[Maestro]

3.

Creative

4.

Vedith

Keychain

5.

SergTacos

7.

Gamma Emerald

Geralt of Rivia

8.

Fykus

9.

Tchill13

10.

Klazam

11.

Deasvail

12.

Titus?

SAIHAG

I'm a big fan of scum and townreading based on matching mindsets and the likelihood of me making the same comments I've seen others making throughout the game. With Vedith (and DV, even though they've been bitching at eachother and cross-voting on occasion [I think?]) I understand where each is coming from. Vedith reads frustratedTown, bitchingTown, and obnoxious-Town-who-is-used-to-being-crowned-Town-Leader-and-worshipped... but Town nonetheless. If I had to guess, DV is a VT, with little motivation during day phases and no real niche for reading the gamestate right now. No information other than what's in-thread. SAIHAG has pretty much been my strongest townread since their back-and-forth D1.

On the other hand, I need to do VCA to confirm, but TC is blatantly opportunistic here, first kindof mulling his way through D1, then literally popcorning at the Mulch-twilight-bullshit-fest AND THEN proceeding to use it as some kind of confirmation of me being Scum, even while saying that I was "obvTowning it up" and that I've done nothing to make him think I'm Town, which is fine, but that's not how fucking burden of proof works and he fucking knows it. Every single word Creative posts seems needlessly thought out, rationed, and crafted as they post, and I hate it. Also, I disagree with almost everything they've said up until this point about the gamestate, but I stopped reading their ISO eventually because it just made me cringe. It reeks of newbScum, or at least Scum that doesn't know how to say what they want to say (I forget the join date).

Fykus seems to be playing no differently from 1919, where he just coasted and dropped in every once in awhile to jerk off onto whatever wagon he thought he could get away with being on in a given moment (but I've already said 1919 is fucking me up with bias, hence why I haven't really mentioned him so far), and Klazam is also an unknown because I'm paranoid that he wouldn't be this paranoid as TvT Klazam, but really it's probably wise on his part and 1919 is messing with me there too - probably because I wasn't in it but paid very close attention and now I'm in this one but not quite able to pay as close attention as I'd like. I thought about replacing out N1 but *shrug* for what it's worth, I like several of you as players, and I wanted to stick it out.

PEDIT: Coasting means different things to different people, and lurking means another thing entirely. Klaz knows I'm not doing the former because I don't do that, at least not after getting emotionally-invested like I was yesterday. I've been busy with RL stuff, but that also rules out the latter. If you want to say something different, reference specific posts.

[Maestro]

lol I'd been working on that for hours while playing League and literally 2 min after

[Maestro]

Vote Count

I'll believe it when I see it

What did you quote? I don't see that post. Hmm...magic?

[Maestro]

(1)

Maestro when I said you obvtowned it seemed you were fake to me.

(2)

I don't think I've primarily pushed your slot nearly as much as I have others.

(3a)

I'm not sure why you think me and creative can be scum together though.

(3b)

I'm okay with lynching creative.

This is... throwing up all kinds of flags for me:

1.

I've already addresssed any issue of me "being fake", I think; we can go back and forth all you want, but when I insist after Endgame that Mulch pulled a piece-of-shit move and that I stand by every single thing I said in that Twilight (even if there was some alcohol involved), you can all suck it.

2.

You definitely have. You opened the Day phase with a huge push on me, with Mulch as your martyr. My earlier points about your opportunism stand exactly as they did before. You've been flapping back and forth like a flag between me and Creative (do

YOU

think we could be Scum together...?) or others this day phase, based entirely on who you think is easiest to lynch. And you've practically said as much in your own posts - not sure I feel like going to find it now, but something at least gave me that specific impression.

3.

Asking me why I think you and Creative could be Scum together is moronic - my scumreads on you are independent of each other and

EVERYBODY'S ELSE'S SCUMREADS SHOULD BE THE SAME

until we have a flip. That's kinda... rule 1 of associations. You can't do shit with them until you have something to associate with. Asking me why I think you and Creative could be Scum together makes it sound like you're trying to convince somebody you're not Scum by saying that "I can't be Scum with X" when X hasn't fkin dlipped yet. Pretty sure that's a logical fallacy or something at least.

PEDIT: 100% agree with Klaz, and I don't believe you, Creative. Give me one good reason not to hammer.

[Maestro]

VOTE: maestro

If creative doesnt die we lynch him tomoz. P.s watch gamma

[Maestro]

Maybe? I'm not going to hound through the wiki just now, but worth noting:

The BooneyToonz series was created by me to play with unique and interesting roles specifically in Normal games. My goal with all BooneyToonz games is to create unique normal setups with potentially new and unheard of variant roles or an innovative concept without overstepping the boundary of normal game limits or mechanics. Any role that is created will be completely thought out and balanced in a way that I feel fits into what are normal game limitations, along with the idea of what a normal game should be. Don't get the wrong idea; this series is NOT about making a game with a bunch of strong power roles or a role madness game within a normal game. There may very well be as little as one power role, or even none at all. All this being said, I will always have this disclaimer for every game in my BooneyToonz series.

[Maestro]

I intend to hammer soon.

No response to what I posted. k fuck-mcDuck

[Maestro]

39 minutes, nice Twilight

[Maestro]

Maestro wanna talk?

better than the alternative, shoot

[Maestro]

I think it's BS

and it's the capstone on a pyramid of unfocused, unhelpful play this game

[Maestro]

Creative [5]: Vedith, DeasVail, Gamma Emerald, Tchill13, Fykus

YOU TRICKY BITCH

[Maestro]

Tchill's vote should come after Fykus', but mayb I'm the only mod around here who cares for vote order in VCs...

I'm hammering when I wake up in the AM to go to work

I'll be for about 2 minutes, unless somebody posts before then

[Maestro]

That's not fuciking talking to me, Gamma

[Maestro]

Gamma needs to post results...

In other news - look under the signature section guys memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=30208

[Maestro]

Gamma what exactly are you waiting for?

Srsly

[Maestro]

Wouldn't discussion prompted by a cop's result be more beneficial to us in the long-run... and the short-run...?

[Maestro]

PEDIT: Srsly. Nobody has said anything about Twilight D1 except "oh Maestro is ohsoscumz" and I'm getting rly fucking tired of it. You and Fykus need to hunmker down and go balls deep here and push me until I'm dead, because if you've got notghing else other than that fuycking twilight you can go FUCK yourselves. You've presented nothing other than a giant finger pointed at my posting there, which YOU YOURSELF HAVE CALED "OBVTOWN" FOR SUCM FUCKING REASON/!? There's nothing for me to respond to with you fucks, no incentive to scumhunt on YOUR part or engage with me whatsoever, and you just keep fucking jerking off to the idea I'm scum BUT SAYING WE NEED TO ROPE OTHER PEOPLE FIRST and omggggg Tchill look how that fucking worked out last time? You hit scum, when I was the fucking counterwagon. What'fre the motherfucking odds iof that.

[Maestro]

I'e been drinking with Game Of Thrones - watch it asasap Boony because it's another doozy

gdoo fucking Night

[Maestro]

OH GREAT MAESTRO IS MAKING MOREW POSTS HE WOULD MAKE REGARDLSESS OF ALIGNMENT I GUESS HES SO SCUM WE NEED TO LYNCH SOMEFDOY ELSE BEFORE HIM because THAT makes some fucking sense to some of you

[Maestro]

"Defense' impkies there is something I am able to defend against

Yaaaayphoneposting

[Maestro]

idfk anymre Ychill, literally a bouncyball with your pushes here

[Maestro]

Votes creative again because a lynch is imminent and he wants to be on the train because he doesn't want to hammer.

only dfiggerence between me and this is I wasd willing to hammer

so am I stilll not scum, tchil?!

[Maestro]

klike wtf are you geting your freads from this game

I'm ont on my phne anymore so sry for no autocrrct

PEDIT: never simple

[Maestro]

VOTE: Tchill

PEDIT: NOiGAmma

[Maestro]

If he flips scum I'm 99 percent sure that maestro is town.

why drew asociation tells like this tho?????!?!!!111?

[Maestro]

3.

Creative

4.

Vedith

Keychain

5.

SergTacos

7.

Gamma Emerald

Geralt of Rivia

8.

Fykus

9.

Tchill13

10.

Klazam

11.

Deasvail

12.

Titus?

SAIHAG

I'm a big fan of scum and townreading based on matching mindsets and the likelihood of me making the same comments I've seen others making throughout the game. With Vedith (and DV, even though they've been bitching at eachother and cross-voting on occasion [I think?]) I understand where each is coming from. Vedith reads frustratedTown, bitchingTown, and obnoxious-Town-who-is-used-to-being-crowned-Town-Leader-and-worshipped... but Town nonetheless. If I had to guess, DV is a VT, with little motivation during day phases and no real niche for reading the gamestate right now. No information other than what's in-thread. SAIHAG has pretty much been my strongest townread since their back-and-forth D1.

On the other hand, I need to do VCA to confirm, but TC is blatantly opportunistic here, first kindof mulling his way through D1, then literally popcorning at the Mulch-twilight-bullshit-fest AND THEN proceeding to use it as some kind of confirmation of me being Scum, even while saying that I was "obvTowning it up" and that I've done nothing to make him think I'm Town, which is fine, but that's not how fucking burden of proof works and he fucking knows it. Every single word Creative posts seems needlessly thought out, rationed, and crafted as they post, and I hate it. Also, I disagree with almost everything they've said up until this point about the gamestate, but I stopped reading their ISO eventually because it just made me cringe. It reeks of newbScum, or at least Scum that doesn't know how to say what they want to say (I forget the join date).

Fykus seems to be playing no differently from 1919, where he just coasted and dropped in every once in awhile to jerk off onto whatever wagon he thought he could get away with being on in a given moment (but I've already said 1919 is fucking me up with bias, hence why I haven't really mentioned him so far), and Klazam is also an unknown because I'm paranoid that he wouldn't be this paranoid as TvT Klazam, but really it's probably wise on his part and 1919 is messing with me there too - probably because I wasn't in it but paid very close attention and now I'm in this one but not quite able to pay as close attention as I'd like. I thought about replacing out N1 but *shrug* for what it's worth, I like several of you as players, and I wanted to stick it out.

PEDIT: Coasting means different things to different people, and lurking means another thing entirely. Klaz knows I'm not doing the former because I don't do that, at least not after getting emotionally-invested like I was yesterday. I've been busy with RL stuff, but that also rules out the latter. If you want to say something different, reference specific posts.

[Maestro]

TC is blatantly opportunistic here, first kindof mulling his way through D1, then literally popcorning at the Mulch-twilight-bullshit-fest AND THEN proceeding to use it as some kind of confirmation of me being Scum, even while saying that I was "obvTowning it up" and that I've done nothing to make him think I'm Town, which is fine, but that's not how fucking burden of proof works and he fucking knows it.

this ++todaaaay fklipping on me for anther edition of "TCHILL's MOST WANTD!"

False/forced townn leadership

[Maestro]

I dn't have fykus as Townfykus but this is fucking ridiuclous - just because copguilty mad busing conveniebt, we keep listening to him? Klaz was vtingv for Tchill with me to, but nodybyd mentions that

[Maestro]

EBWODP

just because copguilty

madE

busing conveniebt

[Maestro]

bussing, fk u know wat I mean gamm

[Maestro]

When I do open a window to work with maestro he slams it shut.

wht have you offered me that 'works wth me" arond what I have addresfed in yor play?1

[Maestro]

I have't slamed shut anything I just think you ar SCum chilly

[Maestro]

and I askd why yuwould say somthing like that when nodoby there has flipped tyet-- this is just like yestderay

[Maestro]

2559 isn respopnsse to 2557 I didn't get a fuckming PEDIT

[Maestro]

Klaz. I don't like this shit at all, and this is too "convenient"

I like, don't actually believe you, I guess?

[Maestro]

This is really fucking shady coming from you Klaz, you know how this must look to me

[Maestro]

I hope youll forgive my uneasyness but after what creative pulled yesterday with his watcher claim and only 1 action im a little on edge

^ This, and there's no role I can think of (or deduce after perusing the wiki) that would be in a Normal game and that would gain any benefit from waiting on further "results" if they already had something to contribute from the previous Night phase - where are you previous 2 nights of results? It doesn't make sense for you to be holding back like this given that you were voting Tchill yesterday with me and now, apparently, have had a change of heart.

[Maestro]

taco pposted an anti Tchill post, and i realized that i needed to out it so i did.

No, you really didn't, is the biggest deal here. As Fykus correctly pointed out, there was no fucking reason to come in here and half-heartedly claim an inno on Tchill given the amount of pressure that was (not) building up from Taco's post(s). It's fucking Tacos. And I'm *STILL* fucking voting Tchill, because I don't believe you. At all.

Saying "there's no protown reason to push you to out today" is all well and good

if we believed you

, but I don't. Fucking convince me. Because this is the craziest part about this game, and something you sheeple didn't realize in 1919 - if you don't believe a PR claim, you can't

OPERATE ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT ALL OF THEIR RESULTS ARE TRUE

. I refuse to do that for oyu, because you haven't convincved me or (apparently) Fykus or Tchill himself.

PEDIT: I'm aware Normal games can have roles which push the boundaries of Normality and/or are not in the wiki, and I know Boon's rules explicitly state he was trying to do the former in this game, but I still don't believe there's a role with (a) investigative power, (b) that is somehow conencted to other roles, as Klazam has implied, and (c) somehow can't hardclaim right now since he's already outed himself (unnecessarily) as some kind of PR?

PEDIT: No, you're timing is bad, your tone here is throwing me all kinds of red flags, and given that you were in the pool of potential Scum just like Tchill was it

DOES

make sense that you would lock something down to protect yourself over this and the next Day phase, if you're Scum.

VOTE: Klazam

[Maestro]

And at this point, Klaz, you can type in bold all you want but it's not fishing. We are all reacting to your claim, its timing, and the lack of transparency since you made it.

[Maestro]

Like, I'm reserving the possibliity that you thought you could fake an inno as like, a VT, to prevent a strongTown read from being pressured, but that's a very distant possibility for you because I think's more on a Mulch-level of stupid, risky play that you wouldnt' have sunk to here

[Maestro]

@Boonskiies: Not sure how nobody noticed until now, but you've thoroughly borked replacements in the OP.

It should be...

"Perfect Fifth

Vedith Keychain

"
"Vecna

Assemble

"

...Right?

here I am trying to do alook at the claimed role spread and jfc

[Maestro]

Maestro, youre smart, I figured you'd be seeing the angle im taking here, and the fact you dont, it bothers me a lot...

I don't see the angle because there's no angle that makes sense to me.

[Maestro]

You know I go with mindsets, and this mindset makes no sense, especially coming from you at this opint in the game.

[Maestro]

Sigh. oh well. I really wish i could explain, because it makes perfect sense to me.

Is there any reference to somerthing only I qwould get, or any indication you can give me of where to look to feel like I can trust you?

[Maestro]

idk what's going on anymore

VOTE: Fykus

out of those two it's more likely Fykus IMO

[Maestro]

I dont. Didnt you see him egging me on during my push on you to get you to out your role/result. Its done in such a way that i get the flak for it. Genius really.

No? ...what?

[Maestro]

Tbqh I didn't notice Vecna and that's all I got for why I didn't mention them in that big reads post. Meanwhile, if anybody has anything for me to actually respond to... I'm all ears.

[Maestro]

Check his ISO. I can't even speak for what I was doing rushing to get that down in-thread, since that was during Mulch's post-lynch circlejerk, but I guess it's possible I forgot about him / just didn't have a good feel of him after the

less than 20 posts he'd made

before I posted that read list, most of which had to do with Keyser, who I was gut-townreading at that point.

Also, if you're in a fantasy world where Scum blatantly and purposefully refrain from putting their partner in a color-coded reads list during a period of high scrutiny... this game much be a lot easier for you than for the rest of us. But that's some tasty WIFOM, isn't it?

[Maestro]

Can somebody please reiterate Gamma's exact Cop-role variant? I don't think I was ever rly clear on it and I can't just assume I'll eventually figure out what you're all talking about

[Maestro]

To me that points more towards a Town JK or something available as a counter, especially with Klaz's MyStErY RoLe in the setup

[Maestro]

Like, think about this from a design perspective

As a Mod, do I add negative utility to the Town or give the Scum faction more power? Almost always the former, if I'm trying to make a funky setup, because a powerful Scumteam is a huge threat to balance, more-so than having a role that's a little bit less effective because of some negative utility on Town's side that interferes with it being used to its fullest potential.

That, and DeasVail's flip was most likely meant to explain any past false positives but Geralt claimed D1, correct? Meaning we can assume he died for Gamma.

[Maestro]

That, and DeasVail's flip was most likely meant to explain any past false positives but Geralt claimed D1, correct? Meaning we can assume he

(DV)

died for Gamma.

EBWOP

Also, just as an explanation, this train of thought is assuming DV's role is (partially) provided as negative utility in case he targeted somebody other than this Cop-variant. The Pseudo-Cop would've gotten a false positive on DV or DV's target, making it considerably less valuable as a role.

[Maestro]

Actually that would rly only have mattered if DC had been on Scum - it would've made DV ascetic for investigatives but the Scum would've returned the same "No Result" or whatever to this Pseudo-Cop - at this point I'm just confusing myself and it doesn't matter

[Maestro]

Why do ppl keep assuming scum have an RB? did I miss something?

[Maestro]

I'll be V/LA this weekend (including Friday, when I'll be on a bus all day) and semi-LA until August 15th. Meaning I'll be hopping in once a day at least, but not online for extended periods of time.

Noted.

[Maestro]

Also, basically not moving my vote this phase. No need when this is exactly the scumFykus os 1919's MyLo. At least that game was helpful for one thing - you should work on being a little more consistent across your games in activity; the attempts at appeasing the townbloc just come off as desperation, ditto the tunnel on me.

[Maestro]

Wait when did you vote Vecna

[Maestro]

VOTE: Vecna

VOTE: vecna

hey gamma, whatd you think about my case on maestro? specifically the part where he deliberately left vecna out of his read list?

LOL nvm took me all of two seconds to find the post where you opportunistically vote with the claimed cop-variant and simultaneously ask him to give you warm fuzzies about your other top scumread (I assume?) who you just made your first shitty big-boy mafia player case on #buddybuddybuddy

[Maestro]

Im starting to get paranoid of M right now by the way. Lots of his thoughts seems to be very similar to mine, which makes me wonder if we're syncing up or if its him manipulating me. Taco, im curious, whats your read of him lately?

aaaaand there's the paranoia

[Maestro]

There's no WAY thats true. I have ONLY ever seen a Scum-specific Encryptor. Consider this intent.

Also, I'm without cell data and bus wifi is spotty. I'll be trying to read and keep up but that was a lot of pages in the last few hours, only a little of which actually mattered.

[Maestro]

It doesn't make sense because once it became clear we had no Neighbors or Masons (which would have happened SO soon) that slot should've hardclaimed and self-lynched to take Daytalk away from Scum. Only tactic that would make sense if in my head.

Also, WB Klaz and Klaz's paranoia

[Maestro]

uh

I dont think that quite makes sense. Fits with M's theorized negative utility townie here, yes, but still...

That's not negative utility, tho. If it were true, it would be Scum utilizing Town - why would there be incentive for Scum NOT to kill a specific Townie in a setup which seems to have so many ways to confirm alignment? What if this hypothetical Town role got confirmed? Scum have to decide between leaving a confTown alive and having Daytalk?

BS, he's Scum

Makes no design sense whatsoever.

[Maestro]

UNVOTE:

Consider me on TB

[Maestro]

Holy shot Klaz

[Maestro]

I think I just figured it out. If it's what I think it is,

check me tonight

for an inno and we have an auto on our hands, like Gamma said.

[Maestro]

Fuck me im a moron

[Maestro]

I mean, the way it happened last time it took forever to actually lock the thread so it's probably not going to affect discussion that much. What's up Gamma/Klaz?

[Maestro]

...like, I was assuming that, yeah?

But I also assumed Mulch's pages-long "display of skill" was him being his normal VI self so I guess that's dangerous to do in this game. The silent self-hammer is what's going to come from Scum with the actual intention of shutting down discussion.

PEDIT: Same, by PoE and what I still see as his desperation this Day phase.

[Maestro]

Actually, I wouldn't put it past Klaz or Vecna. Vecna has kinda just been trying to see whose lynch will stick all day too, and Klaz still isn't anywhere near confirmed. And nobody he gets an inno on is going to scrutinize him too hard as liken as they're pseudoconfirmed because of him.

[Maestro]

Worth noting is that Fyk got pretty self-righteous and accusatory over what I said about similarities between his play this game and 1919. What he sees as "me fabricating meta" could easily just be difference of opinion. From the outside of that game, compared to his posting the rest of the game, ScumFykus on that last day was very active.

[Maestro]

And that pings me WRT his play today

[Maestro]

I don't know why I thought he was comparatively active then

I really did believe that, I should've checked

[Maestro]

That doesn't make sense

[Maestro]

I don't know his this setup was in any way approved, so I completely agree with Creative. Unless we hit a PR every night we were absolutely fucked. And every single thing I said in Twilight I meant, I stand by it 100%, even if it was posted fake-drunk.

[Maestro]

EBWOP

*I don't know HOW this setup...

[Maestro]

I don't rly have anything else to say, to anybody here.

[Maestro]

Similar-looking setups that have been approved

This really expands my criticism, rather than refuting it. But ok?